official 9-11 thread

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Mossad. My first thought when this happened. What better way to drag the US into their war with the Musims?

have u ever looked into who trained the mossad. hitler's intel man reinhard gehlen, a Knight of Malta. the cia and mi6 also had a hand from what ive read. the head of the OSS (office of stratic services, precurser of the CIA) William Joseph Donovan was also a knight of malta. i believe ive read where William Stephenson was also involved. so does the mossad opeerate independently or with other intel agencies??? the cia incorporated the whole gehlen spy ring after ww2. operation gladio used ex nazi's. i think those germans are one of the smartest damn gene pools on this planet.

the motto of the mossad:

by way of deception thou shalt do war.

that is what Victor Ostrovsky said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ostrovsky

i also know the other version. by way of wise counsel.....

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i posted that snippet from the testimony to show ya that our math is not lining up.

anyway, if u wanna talk about the shoot down or stand down order then we will.

please read this first. its only 18 pages, written by a lawyer. i love how their brains work.....details, details, details!!!! that way we can be on the same page.

http://www.journalof911studies...ttingPentagonOn911.pdf


this is from the conclusion-

Were the orders stand down orders or shoot down orders?
Norman Mineta and General Arnold and the 9/11 Commission all agree that no shoot down
orders were issued prior to the crash of Flight 93 ( that was after the pentagon strike). For the orders still stand commands to
have been shoot down orders, if the Executive Order (either Presidential or Vice-
Presidential) that still stands given prior to 9:20 a.m. was a shoot down order, then,
according to General Arnold, this order did not reach NORAD or the United States Air
Force until after Flight 93 went down in Pennsylvania after 10:00 a.m., a full 45 minutes or
more after it was given. This possibility defies credulity and cannot be believed. In addition,
the no-fly zone order given at 9:45 a.m. is eliminated as out of the timeline for issuance of
the pre-9:20 a.m. order.
The facts prove: that a shoot down order for Flight 77 was not issued prior to the
Pentagon strike at 9:37 a.m., the non-existence of a shoot down order for any aircraft
until after 10:00 a.m, and confirm the following:
That the Vice-President of the United States, Richard Cheney, with full
knowledge of the fact that a hijacked passenger jet airliner was hurtling toward
Washington D.C., with full knowledge of its distance at regular intervals of a
minimum of 50 miles (probably more so because mineta didnt enter until 920) out from the Capitol, in fact not only did not act to
intercept or shoot down the airliner despite the two earlier hijacked planes
hitting the World Trade Center, but issued a direct order to the U.S. Air Force,
either by himself or from the President of the United States, NOT to shoot down
Flight 77 prior to it hitting the Pentagon.

A lawyer? You mean this guy, who got owned by the JREF forum crew?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=81792

 

[Sinsear]

Is this the new Ron Paul thread?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Is this the new Ron Paul thread?

WTF does this have to do with Ron Paul?

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i posted that snippet from the testimony to show ya that our math is not lining up.

anyway, if u wanna talk about the shoot down or stand down order then we will.

please read this first. its only 18 pages, written by a lawyer. i love how their brains work.....details, details, details!!!! that way we can be on the same page.

http://www.journalof911studies...ttingPentagonOn911.pdf


this is from the conclusion-

Were the orders stand down orders or shoot down orders?
Norman Mineta and General Arnold and the 9/11 Commission all agree that no shoot down
orders were issued prior to the crash of Flight 93 ( that was after the pentagon strike). For the orders still stand commands to
have been shoot down orders, if the Executive Order (either Presidential or Vice-
Presidential) that still stands given prior to 9:20 a.m. was a shoot down order, then,
according to General Arnold, this order did not reach NORAD or the United States Air
Force until after Flight 93 went down in Pennsylvania after 10:00 a.m., a full 45 minutes or
more after it was given. This possibility defies credulity and cannot be believed. In addition,
the no-fly zone order given at 9:45 a.m. is eliminated as out of the timeline for issuance of
the pre-9:20 a.m. order.
The facts prove: that a shoot down order for Flight 77 was not issued prior to the
Pentagon strike at 9:37 a.m., the non-existence of a shoot down order for any aircraft
until after 10:00 a.m, and confirm the following:
That the Vice-President of the United States, Richard Cheney, with full
knowledge of the fact that a hijacked passenger jet airliner was hurtling toward
Washington D.C., with full knowledge of its distance at regular intervals of a
minimum of 50 miles (probably more so because mineta didnt enter until 920) out from the Capitol, in fact not only did not act to
intercept or shoot down the airliner despite the two earlier hijacked planes
hitting the World Trade Center, but issued a direct order to the U.S. Air Force,
either by himself or from the President of the United States, NOT to shoot down
Flight 77 prior to it hitting the Pentagon.

A lawyer? You mean this guy, who got owned by the JREF forum crew?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=81792

i dont know if that is schooled....hell it could just be a propagana piece for all i know. u could say that also about the lawyers piece as well.

anyway, with that said, i read your frank greenings theory about the sheetrock causing the sulfur. i couldnt figure out why a british born canadian would be working on that. did u read this piece????? i saw holes in his work. let me know what holes u see here.

i bet it going to boil down to these few words:
MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft
down.
MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.

what did mineta mean by "subsequently". did someone tell him later that a shoot down order was in effect?? who did he find out by?? when??

and did they question that guy that cheney was telling "orders still stand"????

a small part of the pdf file:
COMMISSIONER ROEMER:...But you had not been in the room when the decision was
made -- to what you inferred was a decision made to attempt to shoot down Flight 77
before it crashed into the Pentagon. Is that correct?

MR. MINETA: I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC
at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to
Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice
president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

MR. ROEMER: So when you arrived at 9:20, how much longer was it before you
overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, "Does
the order still stand?"

MR. MINETA: Probably about five or six minutes.

[This statement further confirms previous statements by the 9/11 Commission and news
accounts that Bush was airborne in Air Force One when shoot down order discussions
were held between Bush and Cheney, which was well after the Pentagon strike. Mineta
makes it clear that he has knowledge that the Bush-Cheney shoot down conference
occurred when Bush was on his way to Louisiana, after Bush took off from Florida, and
after the Pentagon strike. (Bush himself states that no major decisions about the crisis
were made until he boarded Air Force One.)

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
i posted that snippet from the testimony to show ya that our math is not lining up.

anyway, if u wanna talk about the shoot down or stand down order then we will.

please read this first. its only 18 pages, written by a lawyer. i love how their brains work.....details, details, details!!!! that way we can be on the same page.

http://www.journalof911studies...ttingPentagonOn911.pdf


this is from the conclusion-

Were the orders stand down orders or shoot down orders?
Norman Mineta and General Arnold and the 9/11 Commission all agree that no shoot down
orders were issued prior to the crash of Flight 93 ( that was after the pentagon strike). For the orders still stand commands to
have been shoot down orders, if the Executive Order (either Presidential or Vice-
Presidential) that still stands given prior to 9:20 a.m. was a shoot down order, then,
according to General Arnold, this order did not reach NORAD or the United States Air
Force until after Flight 93 went down in Pennsylvania after 10:00 a.m., a full 45 minutes or
more after it was given. This possibility defies credulity and cannot be believed. In addition,
the no-fly zone order given at 9:45 a.m. is eliminated as out of the timeline for issuance of
the pre-9:20 a.m. order.
The facts prove: that a shoot down order for Flight 77 was not issued prior to the
Pentagon strike at 9:37 a.m., the non-existence of a shoot down order for any aircraft
until after 10:00 a.m, and confirm the following:
That the Vice-President of the United States, Richard Cheney, with full
knowledge of the fact that a hijacked passenger jet airliner was hurtling toward
Washington D.C., with full knowledge of its distance at regular intervals of a
minimum of 50 miles (probably more so because mineta didnt enter until 920) out from the Capitol, in fact not only did not act to
intercept or shoot down the airliner despite the two earlier hijacked planes
hitting the World Trade Center, but issued a direct order to the U.S. Air Force,
either by himself or from the President of the United States, NOT to shoot down
Flight 77 prior to it hitting the Pentagon.

A lawyer? You mean this guy, who got owned by the JREF forum crew?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=81792

i dont know if that is schooled....hell it could just be a propagana piece for all i know. u could say that also about the lawyers piece as well.

anyway, with that said, i read your frank greenings theory about the sheetrock causing the sulfur. i couldnt figure out why a british born canadian would be working on that. did u read this piece????? i saw holes in his work. let me know what holes u see here.

i bet it going to boil down to these few words:
MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft
down.
MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.

what did mineta mean by "subsequently". did someone tell him later that a shoot down order was in effect?? who did he find out by?? when??

and did they question that guy that cheney was telling "orders still stand"????

a small part of the pdf file:
COMMISSIONER ROEMER:...But you had not been in the room when the decision was
made -- to what you inferred was a decision made to attempt to shoot down Flight 77
before it crashed into the Pentagon. Is that correct?

MR. MINETA: I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC
at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to
Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice
president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

MR. ROEMER: So when you arrived at 9:20, how much longer was it before you
overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, "Does
the order still stand?"

MR. MINETA: Probably about five or six minutes.

[This statement further confirms previous statements by the 9/11 Commission and news
accounts that Bush was airborne in Air Force One when shoot down order discussions
were held between Bush and Cheney, which was well after the Pentagon strike. Mineta
makes it clear that he has knowledge that the Bush-Cheney shoot down conference
occurred when Bush was on his way to Louisiana, after Bush took off from Florida, and
after the Pentagon strike. (Bush himself states that no major decisions about the crisis
were made until he boarded Air Force One.)

That issue has already been addressed many times previously around the internet (a simple search will lead you to many answers, though you probably don't want to hear them which is why you haven't looked in the first place or you'd already know that) and was addressed in the JREF thread as well.

Please understand that pointing out small discrepancies doesn't make your case. Instead of asking questions you should be answering them. Start laying down a decent theory and provide some verifiable proof of what YOU think happened. Quit wasting people's time and beating around the bush (no pun inteneded) with this "He said, she said." crap. It's ultimately meaningless.

If you want to investigate something odd, then please tell me why the 9/11 CTs can't even agree among themselves on what happened. If OBL wasn't involved then it only happened one specific way. So how did it happen, in your opinion? Explain what happened and provide some proof to back it up. That will give your beliefs some credence. Otherwise you're just an annoying question box, not to mention that you're using the very same tactics that the creationists employ. You somehow mistakenly believe that if you cast doubts on the "official story" that your own story must be true. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Even with the holes the official story is far more solid than that of the CTs (or creationists). The onus is on you to prove your own theory. Do so.

 

[event8horizon]

lets also talk about those "blips"

NORAD has the capacity to inject simulated material, including mass attacks, during exercises, ?as though it was being sensed for the first time by a radar site.? [US Department of Defense, 1/14/1999] However, Northern Vigilance is a military operation, not a training exercise. [NORAD, 9/9/2001; US Congress, 3/11/2005] So presumably the ?simulated information? is part of a NORAD exercise currently taking place, such as Vigilant Guardian (see (6:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Therefore, many minutes into the real 9/11 attacks, there may have been false radar blips causing confusion among NORAD personnel. Additional details, such as whose radar screens have false blips and over what duration, are unknown.

ive read the FAA also had blips on their screens.

does anyone want to discuss these blips and the companys that made the software. i believe ptech is the company. from what ive read, ptech was with Mitre Corporation in the basement of the FAA for 2 years prior to 9/11 and their specific job was to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force, in case of an emergency.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MITRE

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
lets also talk about those "blips"

NORAD has the capacity to inject simulated material, including mass attacks, during exercises, ?as though it was being sensed for the first time by a radar site.? [US Department of Defense, 1/14/1999] However, Northern Vigilance is a military operation, not a training exercise. [NORAD, 9/9/2001; US Congress, 3/11/2005] So presumably the ?simulated information? is part of a NORAD exercise currently taking place, such as Vigilant Guardian (see (6:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Therefore, many minutes into the real 9/11 attacks, there may have been false radar blips causing confusion among NORAD personnel. Additional details, such as whose radar screens have false blips and over what duration, are unknown.

ive read the FAA also had blips on their screens.

does anyone want to discuss these blips and the companys that made the software. i believe ptech is the company. from what ive read, ptech was with Mitre Corporation in the basement of the FAA for 2 years prior to 9/11 and their specific job was to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force, in case of an emergency.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MITRE

:roll:

 

[event8horizon]

tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

Perhaps he doesn't believe that he knows exactly what happened.

Perhaps you want him to say he believes "the gov't did it" so you can call him a whacko.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

Perhaps he doesn't believe that he knows exactly what happened.

Perhaps you want him to say he believes "the gov't did it" so you can call him a whacko.

I don't need him to say "the government did it" to call him a wacko. It's just that this conversation always goes in ridiculous circles with random, pretty useless clips of conversations coming from left-field.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

Perhaps he doesn't believe that he knows exactly what happened.

Perhaps you want him to say he believes "the gov't did it" so you can call him a whacko.

I want to understand exactly where he's coming from. I also want to see his proof of his claims.

That's the biggest flaw of conspiracy theorists. They don't actually have any proof of their claims. Hey, show me some solid evidence and I might be a believer. I'm all about hard evidence. But the weight of evidence for the official story vs. the complete lack of evidence for the CTs isn't convincing in the least.

All I'm asking is for him to throw me a bone. Give me something to gnaw on. As it is right now though there's no meat, no marrow, not even a bone. He expects me to chew on air and fluff.

I'll pass on air and fluff, tyvm.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

hahaha.....insulting everyone, maybe your the only one insulted. trash????? what trash are u talking abotu. those "blips" on the radar??

ok, we'll start off with this:
tell me what u think. palehorse wont even touch this stuff.
i gotta do that work thing today so i wont be around.
9/11 funds came from Pakistan, says FBI
http://timesofindia.indiatimes...rticleshow?msid=107432
NEW DELHI: India played a key role in providing US authorities the information that funding for the September 11 attacks came from Pakistan. A top FBI counter-terrorism official told the US Senate governmental affairs committee on Thursday that investigators have ?traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan.??

John S Pistole, deputy assistant director of the FBI?s counter-terrorism division, however, did not specify how those accounts in Pakistan were funded, or the role of Pakistani elements. The Times of India first reported on October 10, 2001 that India told the US that some $100,000 had been wired to the leader of the hijackers, Mahmud Atta, by British-born terrorist Ahmad Saeed Umar Sheikh.

Indian authorities also told the US that the trail led back from Sheikh to the then chief of ISI, Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad who was subsequently forced to retire by Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf. The FBI had been provided with the details, including Sheikh?s mobile numbers. But Pistole?s testimony is silent on these issues. The FBI has estimated the September 11 attacks cost between $175,000 and $250,000. That money ? which paid for flight training, travel and other expenses ? flowed to the hijackers through associates in Germany and the United Arab Emirates.

Those associates reported to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who managed much of the planning for the attacks from Pakistan, US officials have said. The Bush Administration is being cagey about declassifying 28 secret pages in a recent report on the 9/11 incident which officials say outline connections between Saudi charities, royal family members and terrorism.

US authorities are silent about the role some Pakistanis may have played in the conspiracy. The role of Sheikh and Lt Gen Ahmad has yet to see the light of the day. Sheikh, wanted for kidnapping and terrorist conspiracy in India, has since been sentenced to death in Pakistan for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The US has been walking a fine line w/ Pakistan.

There may be a money trail, but where is the US involvement in supporting the 9/11 action.

What you are doing is exposinginfomratino that has been collected after the fact, not prior to it.
20/20 hindsight is always golden, but is unusable until after the fact.

 

[jonks]

"Watching [Loose Change] is like being bukakked with stupid." - Maddox

http://www.thebestpageintheuni...net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Is this the new Ron Paul thread?

WTF does this have to do with Ron Paul?

I apologize; I just saw most of the usual suspects in the same thread here and got confused.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

hahaha.....insulting everyone, maybe your the only one insulted. trash????? what trash are u talking abotu. those "blips" on the radar??

ok, we'll start off with this:
tell me what u think. palehorse wont even touch this stuff.
i gotta do that work thing today so i wont be around.
9/11 funds came from Pakistan, says FBI
http://timesofindia.indiatimes...rticleshow?msid=107432
NEW DELHI: India played a key role in providing US authorities the information that funding for the September 11 attacks came from Pakistan. A top FBI counter-terrorism official told the US Senate governmental affairs committee on Thursday that investigators have ?traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan.??

John S Pistole, deputy assistant director of the FBI?s counter-terrorism division, however, did not specify how those accounts in Pakistan were funded, or the role of Pakistani elements. The Times of India first reported on October 10, 2001 that India told the US that some $100,000 had been wired to the leader of the hijackers, Mahmud Atta, by British-born terrorist Ahmad Saeed Umar Sheikh.

Indian authorities also told the US that the trail led back from Sheikh to the then chief of ISI, Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad who was subsequently forced to retire by Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf. The FBI had been provided with the details, including Sheikh?s mobile numbers. But Pistole?s testimony is silent on these issues. The FBI has estimated the September 11 attacks cost between $175,000 and $250,000. That money ? which paid for flight training, travel and other expenses ? flowed to the hijackers through associates in Germany and the United Arab Emirates.

Those associates reported to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who managed much of the planning for the attacks from Pakistan, US officials have said. The Bush Administration is being cagey about declassifying 28 secret pages in a recent report on the 9/11 incident which officials say outline connections between Saudi charities, royal family members and terrorism.

US authorities are silent about the role some Pakistanis may have played in the conspiracy. The role of Sheikh and Lt Gen Ahmad has yet to see the light of the day. Sheikh, wanted for kidnapping and terrorist conspiracy in India, has since been sentenced to death in Pakistan for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

What we'll start with is you explaining what your beliefs are concerning 9/11. Once you divulge that we can begin to discuss the niggling details like the one above.

You continually sidestep and evade stating what you believe though because you know that if you do then you will be subject to questions and have to provide answers. You will be put on the defensive and you don't want to be in that position. You'd rather delve into minutiae instead and pretend it's somehow damning. When someone exposes one of your questions as bunk, bad physics, bad chemistry, bad engineering, or a plain old faulty claim you just ignore that and obliviously move on to another question.

Sorry, but that's just a dishonest form of debate. It's insulting as well, at least to those that can see through your transparent tactics.

So, once again spell out your beliefs on the 9/11 issue. Then we'll talk. Until then you're just hand-jiving and providing nothing of any meaningful substance.

 

[ProfJohn]

This thread is a perfect example of why the old policy of locking 9-11 conspiracy threads made sense.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: event8horizon
tlc- alright give me all that classifed intel and i might be able to help u out. all we have to work with is what is let out or leaked. all i can do is question. what is wrong with that???

i still want u to expound on what u think are the holes in his arguement. was it a shoot down order or a stand down order???

You don't need classified intel to say what you believe happened. But you won't commit to anything. Instead you play that ridiculous "I'm just asking questions." game.

Please stop insulting everyone in here with that trash. It's very obvious you have a specific belief concerning what happened on 9/11. So state your belief and provide some proof to back it up. This 'Let's talk about a blip.' is just obfuscational crap and proof of nothing.

hahaha.....insulting everyone, maybe your the only one insulted. trash????? what trash are u talking abotu. those "blips" on the radar??

ok, we'll start off with this:
tell me what u think. palehorse wont even touch this stuff.
i gotta do that work thing today so i wont be around.
9/11 funds came from Pakistan, says FBI
http://timesofindia.indiatimes...rticleshow?msid=107432
NEW DELHI: India played a key role in providing US authorities the information that funding for the September 11 attacks came from Pakistan. A top FBI counter-terrorism official told the US Senate governmental affairs committee on Thursday that investigators have ?traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan.??

John S Pistole, deputy assistant director of the FBI?s counter-terrorism division, however, did not specify how those accounts in Pakistan were funded, or the role of Pakistani elements. The Times of India first reported on October 10, 2001 that India told the US that some $100,000 had been wired to the leader of the hijackers, Mahmud Atta, by British-born terrorist Ahmad Saeed Umar Sheikh.

Indian authorities also told the US that the trail led back from Sheikh to the then chief of ISI, Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmad who was subsequently forced to retire by Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf. The FBI had been provided with the details, including Sheikh?s mobile numbers. But Pistole?s testimony is silent on these issues. The FBI has estimated the September 11 attacks cost between $175,000 and $250,000. That money ? which paid for flight training, travel and other expenses ? flowed to the hijackers through associates in Germany and the United Arab Emirates.

Those associates reported to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who managed much of the planning for the attacks from Pakistan, US officials have said. The Bush Administration is being cagey about declassifying 28 secret pages in a recent report on the 9/11 incident which officials say outline connections between Saudi charities, royal family members and terrorism.

US authorities are silent about the role some Pakistanis may have played in the conspiracy. The role of Sheikh and Lt Gen Ahmad has yet to see the light of the day. Sheikh, wanted for kidnapping and terrorist conspiracy in India, has since been sentenced to death in Pakistan for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

What we'll start with is you explaining what your beliefs are concerning 9/11. Once you divulge that we can begin to discuss the niggling details like the one above.

You continually sidestep and evade stating what you believe though because you know that if you do then you will be subject to questions and have to provide answers. You will be put on the defensive and you don't want to be in that position. You'd rather delve into minutiae instead and pretend it's somehow damning. When someone exposes one of your questions as bunk, bad physics, bad chemistry, bad engineering, or a plain old faulty claim you just ignore that and obliviously move on to another question.

Sorry, but that's just a dishonest form of debate. It's insulting as well, at least to those that can see through your transparent tactics.

So, once again spell out your beliefs on the 9/11 issue. Then we'll talk. Until then you're just hand-jiving and providing nothing of any meaningful substance.

lets start with this, it looks as though OBL didnt finance or direct the financing of atta before 911.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This thread is a perfect example of why the old policy of locking 9-11 conspiracy threads made sense.

did u read that pdf file concerning the shoot down or stand down order?? once u do then we can debate that. why lock when u havent even debated.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The US has been walking a fine line w/ Pakistan.

There may be a money trail, but where is the US involvement in supporting the 9/11 action.

What you are doing is exposinginfomratino that has been collected after the fact, not prior to it.
20/20 hindsight is always golden, but is unusable until after the fact.

Well, The Times of India first reported on October 10, 2001 about the incident......when did we invade afghanistan. just a couple of days before. that means the investigators were aleady talking to the u.s. gov before then.

are u saying that the u.s. prematurely attacked afghanistan while the indians were giving us VERY important intel.

 

[event8horizon]

why dont u give us your opinion on what that ex italian prez meant when he said that about the CIA and mossad instead of not contributing to anything!!!!

 

[ProfJohn]

Why should I care what the ex prez of Italy says? That is his own personal theory, I don't see any evidence that proves he is right.

Since you know so much please explain to how 9-11 was really carried out. How many people were involved in this conspiracy and how is it that not ONE of them has come forward to talk about it.

Watergate was a minor break in and yet the government couldn't keep it a secret... you are a fool.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Watergate was a minor break in and yet the government couldn't keep it a secret... you are a fool.

Watergate was a minor break in that was the tip of a much larger criminal conspiracy to shred the Constitution by Nixon and his gang of wannabe dictators. Nixon was the worst, most criminal President in our nation's history, until George W. Bush and his cabal.

Watergate was only a "minor break in" compared to the much deeper and far more serious criminality of your Traitor In Chief and his malevolent mob of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and liars.