OFFICIAL 2012 NFL week 13 thread

[AMDZen]

How I see the awards going:

MVP: (If it HAS to be a quarterback) Tom brady [Otherwise JJ Watt]

Comeback player of the year: Peyton Manning

Defensive player of the year: JJ Watt

Offensive player of the year (never is the same as MVP, which is funny): Unknown

Rookie of the year: Andrew Luck

My prediction.

MVP: Peyton Manning

Comeback player of the year: Peyton Manning splits with Adrian Peterson

Defensive player of the year: Von Miller *IF* he leads the league in sacks at the end which I believe he will, otherwise its JJ Watt. Von also has more TFL and sacks then JJ right now

Offensive player of the year: Adrian Peterson

Rookie of the year: Andrew Luck

 

[diesbudt]

Right because going through the Bills and Jets is so much more difficult then the Raiders and Chiefs. I'd say the Raiders are better then both of those teams and the Chargers are better then Miami. But lets face it, both the Broncos and Patriots had it easy this year. The difference is, the Patriots have it easy every year because that division is always terrible except for 2 years of the Jets being "OK" because of their defense.

ALso, you have yet to post a link where as I just posted one that shows Manning as the frontrunner.

First just like your link, my link is a forecast of people who have no say in the MVP. And thus pointless. No votes have been cast. There is no frontrunner. And for the first time in years, there will not be a clear sweep.

However....

Statistics? Brady > Manning
Team Record? Brady = Manning

(However any wise person would say the Jets and Miami > Oakland. And EVERYTEAM is better than the chiefs. and thus even with the AFC east being easy for a team like the patriots, is not as easy as the AFC west. You are being biased because of who you root for. )

And again, those 2 are no where near the distance from the pack previous few years MVPs put in. Last year at this time it was almost a clinche for Aaron Rodgers because of his so few INT, so many TDs and his impeccible QB rating.

Plus NFL.com always is bias for the QBs, and not every player. Which again I beleive JJ Watt needs entered into this conversation, because his pressance alone has had a dramatic effect in the 10-1 Texan record (though 1 of those wins, as seen on thanksgiving is questionable)

But I really don't care anymore. You go be biased on your Denver Broncos. I am not dillusional thinking Aaron Rodgers should repeat this year, he has looked average at best (and yet still has a better QB rating than both of them currently. lol)

 

[IndyColtsFan]

And Indy got their ass kicked by the Jets. I'd say that's more embarrassing than a narrow loss to Oakland.

Except for the fact that the Colts were the worst team in the league last year, have 37 new people on their roster, have an interim head coach, and a rookie QB. Losing to both the Raiders and Browns (and BARELY squeaking by KC, who is HISTORICALLY awful) is far more embarrassing when you're allegedly an "elite" team.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

and his 76.1 passer rating compared to RG3 104.6 says other wise.

Go ahead and compare the offenses they run and get back to me.

You guys are all a joke.

If you honestly believe that the Colts are a better team then the Redskins. LOL

Redskins have the better team all around and you guys are wrong, the Colts were the worst team last year for a reason. Andrew Luck deserves even MORE credit for taking the worst team in the league to a winning record the next year.

He should win rookie of the year and if he doesn't, its bias for RG3.

This x1000. Anyone who seriously thinks the Colts have a better team than the Redskins are nuts and in fact, in recent weeks, the Colts have seriously regressed particularly in offensive line play. They started out playing badly on the line but settled down and were doing fine until 3 or 4 weeks ago and it has been terrible since the Jacksonville game. Mario Williams, for example, was pounding Luck on Sunday.

 

[AMDZen]

You probably haven't watched a single Bronco game all year, or you would see that Von Miller is clearly better all around then JJ Watt. He got the hype at the beginning of the season but has since fallen off. So why should he win it when Von Miller and Aldon Smith both have more sacks then him? Because JJ knocks the ball down?

JJ might still win Defensive player of the year, but only because of that hype after the first 5 games or so, and because he gets more media attention since nobody focuses on the Broncos outside of Peyton Manning.

 

[zinfamous]

You guys are all a joke.

If you honestly believe that the Colts are a better team then the Redskins. LOL

Redskins have the better team all around and you guys are wrong, the Colts were the worst team last year for a reason. Andrew Luck deserves even MORE credit for taking the worst team in the league to a winning record the next year.

He should win rookie of the year and if he doesn't, its bias for RG3.

no matter what happens from now until the end of the year, if RGIII somehow wins rookie of the year, a good number of the people here are going to scream bias! the fix is in! travesty!

that much is understood.

Never mind that all you do is flaunt your own bias towards Luck. You want to look at the unmeasurable intangibles, and ignore the raw numbers. You simply have to look at both.

At this point, it's a complete push and I don't see how any rational person can not see that.

I think Luck is obviously the better QB and will likely have a longer career--I've always thought that, from his 2nd year at Stanford.

but at this point in the season, there is simply no valid, non-bias argument that he has shown that he is outright better than RG3, or that RG3 is better than Luck.

 

[IAteYourMother]

You probably haven't watched a single Bronco game all year, or you would see that Von Miller is clearly better all around then JJ Watt. He got the hype at the beginning of the season but has since fallen off. So why should he win it when Von Miller and Aldon Smith both have more sacks then him? Because JJ knocks the ball down?

JJ might still win Defensive player of the year, but only because of that hype after the first 5 games or so, and because he gets more media attention since nobody focuses on the Broncos outside of Peyton Manning.

sacks are one thing, but the man is an interior defensive lineman, playing a completely different position than either Smith or Miller. The kind of production and disruption from a 3-4 DE like Watt is simply unheard of.

 

[zinfamous]

Except for the fact that the Colts were the worst team in the league last year, have 37 new people on their roster, have an interim head coach, and a rookie QB. Losing to both the Raiders and Browns (and BARELY squeaking by KC, who is HISTORICALLY awful) is far more embarrassing when you're allegedly an "elite" team.

so, he is no longer doing this with last year's "worst team in the league."

you said it yourself. You simply have to toss out that argument that he is doing this with the worst team--because it clearly isn't the same team.

 

[Jeffg010]

Go ahead and compare the offenses they run and get back to me.

BS you saying almost a 30 point swing is because of offenses they run. Please get your tongue out of lucks ass. 76.1 is shitty no matter how you spin it.

 

[Imported]

Kaepernick named the starter.. While I don't agree with it, I don't disagree with the decision either.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

jim harbaugh just announced the white dude is out of a job, replaced by the tatooed mulato dude

 

[AMDZen]

sacks are one thing, but the man is an interior defensive lineman, playing a completely different position than either Smith or Miller. The kind of production and disruption from a 3-4 DE like Watt is simply unheard of.

That is true, I'll give you that. However, just like every defensive scheme in the league, Wade Phillips' defense is not just a 3-4. Its a combination of everything and are only in the 3-4 during base defensive plays. Most of his sacks actually come when they are in a 4-3 with him playing the end, which they are often in.

No defense is 3-4 or 4-3, they are all hybrids and are constantly changing on every play. Against the Lions, they were running so much nickle and dime packages that they almost always had 5 defensive backs and were never in the 3-4

 

[AMDZen]

Kaepernick named the starter.. While I don't agree with it, I don't disagree with the decision either.

If i was a SF fan, I'd be super excited about my chances with the young kid. He is clearly much better in every aspect of the game then Smith. Smith's numbers were so good because of the coaching and team around him and what he was asked to do. He could never have those numbers while throwing down the field like Copper Nickle can do.

 

[IAteYourMother]

You guys are all a joke.

If you honestly believe that the Colts are a better team then the Redskins. LOL

Redskins have the better team all around and you guys are wrong, the Colts were the worst team last year for a reason. Andrew Luck deserves even MORE credit for taking the worst team in the league to a winning record the next year.

He should win rookie of the year and if he doesn't, its bias for RG3.

Redskins don't really have an abundance of talent either after losing some key players to injury, like Orakpo and Carriker. And the Colts aren't as bad as they seemed last year (they were still terrible) because in 2011 they were playing a first place schedule unlike the Skins who were still playing a 4th place schedule. Oh yeah, and Curtis Painter.

Don't forget the season isn't over and their final records could very well be much closer than you might otherwise expect. Granted the Colts still play garbage teams like the Chiefs, Titans, and HOU in week 18 when they rest their starters.

I would say it's a toss-up, both QBs have played very well as rookies. Whether or not their current success is sustainable for the next 10 years is irrelevant to rookie of the year balloting. It's all about this year only, and since RG3 has the better stats and flash, I would have to bet on him winning the award at the end.

 

[Imported]

If i was a SF fan, I'd be super excited about my chances with the young kid. He is clearly much better in every aspect of the game then Smith. Smith's numbers were so good because of the coaching and team around him and what he was asked to do. He could never have those numbers while throwing down the field like Copper Nickle can do.

This is why I don't disagree. I feel like Smith's best is what Kaepernickel (what my GF calls him) did in the past two games.. which were his first two damn starts. There's a tremendous ceiling for him. But being in playoff/super bowl contention, the risk better work.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

so, he is no longer doing this with last year's "worst team in the league."

you said it yourself. You simply have to toss out that argument that he is doing this with the worst team--because it clearly isn't the same team.

My point with the "worst team in the league" remark was that no one, including me, expected these guys to do anything. Contrast that to your typical Steelers fan who likes to pretend that they're always elite and losses are always due to {insert one of these: 1. bad refs 2. Big Ben didn't play}. Bragging that the Colts got smacked by the Jets when your alleged great team was beaten by the Raiders, Browns, and nearly the Chiefs is laughable.

I've said this before and I will say it again -- the Colts are still not a good team and anyone thinking otherwise is delusional. I hesitate to call them bad because they generally do beat the teams they're supposed to beat. They are simply the best of the bad and mediocre teams in the AFC. They stand no chance of winning in the playoffs against anyone except possibly the Ravens and Steelers. Denver, New England, and Houston would all destroy them in a playoff environment.

Team chemistry sucks when you have 37 new players. Arguably, many of the 37 players who left after last year were better than their replacements this year. Jeff Saturday was much better than Samson Satele, for example. The Colts had to get rid of them because of salaries and this was the year that was to be sacrificed so that next year, they'd have money to spend in FA. It is just working out better than anyone anticipated but remember, they're playing a last place schedule too.

 

[AMDZen]

My point with the "worst team in the league" remark was that no one, including me, expected these guys to do anything. Contrast that to your typical Steelers fan who likes to pretend that they're always elite and losses are always due to {insert one of these: 1. bad refs 2. Big Ben didn't play}. Bragging that the Colts got smacked by the Jets when your alleged great team was beaten by the Raiders, Browns, and nearly the Chiefs is laughable.

I've said this before and I will say it again -- the Colts are still not a good team and anyone thinking otherwise is delusional. I hesitate to call them bad because they generally do beat the teams they're supposed to beat. They are simply the best of the bad and mediocre teams. They stand no chance of winning in the playoffs against anyone except probably the Ravens and Steelers. Denver, New England, and Houston would all destroy them in a playoff environment.

Team chemistry sucks when you have 37 new players. Arguably, many of the 37 players who left after last year were better than their replacements this year. Jeff Saturday was much better than Samson Satele, for example. The Colts had to get rid of them because of salaries and this was the year that was to be sacrificed so that next year, they'd have money to spend in FA next year. It is just working out better than anyone anticipated.

Not to mention that the Colts have absolutely NOOO running game, when your starter is "Vick Ballard"

RG3 has Alfred Morris who is killing it this year

Having a good RB or at least a good running game (Morris is a product of the system) always takes some pressure off a QB, especially a rookie. Look at Christian Ponder with AP.

The joke is on these guys. Everyone thinks I'm a Colts fan or a Luck fan and biased. I was never a Colts fan, I was a Manning fan because he is the greatest - and I'm a Luck fan because he is clearly the next greatest QB and you guys are just plain WRONGGGG if you think RG3 is better in any way or if Luck somehow has the better team around him. The only thing he does have is a better coach. I'd take my stinky shoes over Mike Shanahan.

 

[thraashman]

Maybe the Jets can sign Vick next year. :awe:

I hear Alex Smith might be looking for a new team to start for.

 

[AMDZen]

Redskins don't really have an abundance of talent either after losing some key players to injury, like Orakpo and Carriker. And the Colts aren't as bad as they seemed last year (they were still terrible) because in 2011 they were playing a first place schedule unlike the Skins who were still playing a 4th place schedule. Oh yeah, and Curtis Painter.

Don't forget the season isn't over and their final records could very well be much closer than you might otherwise expect. Granted the Colts still play garbage teams like the Chiefs, Titans, and HOU in week 18 when they rest their starters.

I would say it's a toss-up, both QBs have played very well as rookies. Whether or not their current success is sustainable for the next 10 years is irrelevant to rookie of the year balloting. It's all about this year only, and since RG3 has the better stats and flash, I would have to bet on him winning the award at the end.

The only stat that matters is Wins and he has nearly twice as many as RG3. What if Luck continues this and takes his team to the playoffs and RG3 continues and ends up with a losing record but better passer rating, does RG3 still win it?

 

[IAteYourMother]

The only stat that matters is Wins and he has nearly twice as many as RG3. What if Luck continues this and takes his team to the playoffs and RG3 continues and ends up with a losing record but better passer rating, does RG3 still win it?

If wins were the only stats that mattered, then how did Cam Newton win it last season? There are a lot of factors that go into it. If the Redskins suck dwn the stretch and the Colts hold on to make the playoffs, then I would say Luck would win it. But if both make the playoffs, then RG3 wins it, and if neither makes the playoffs, then I think RG3 wins it. I just happen to think those scenarios are slightly more likely than the Colts making the playoffs alone.

 

[AMDZen]

If wins were the only stats that mattered, then how did Cam Newton win it last season? There are a lot of factors that go into it. If the Redskins suck dwn the stretch and the Colts hold on to make the playoffs, then I would say Luck would win it. But if both make the playoffs, then RG3 wins it, and if neither makes the playoffs, then I think RG3 wins it. I just happen to think those scenarios are slightly more likely than the Colts making the playoffs alone.

I know that wins don't matter in the rookie voting, I'm just saying - that stat should mean something in regard to what Luck has done. If it continues of course.

Cam Newton won it because of bias, same reason why you are right, that RG3 will probably win it this year.

Cam Newton has proved this year that he isn't a long term viable QB in this league, just like when Vince Young won it in 2006. Didn't Michael Vick win it?

Him winning it will mean nothing, so I'm not sure why I even care. Many rookie's of the year have fizzled out.

In fact, maybe its better that he doesn't win it. Its like a curse for QB's

 

[eits]

rg3 wins it. regardless of record, he is clearly the mvp. the skins have an awesome offense, but a bad defense. if you look at the scores from previous seasons compared to this season, the skins have done insane things on offense all because of rg3. he's done to the redskins offense what tom brady was able to do to the patriots offense, which was take a bunch of nobodies and turn them into players who work as a team to win games.

 

[hclarkjr]

looks like eagles are starting to clean house, they released jason babin today http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8683453/philadelphia-eagles-cut-jason-babin-year-18-sack-season

jags just grabbed him

 

[lupi]

I'd put luck and bobby three sticks ahead oof rogers in mvp.

 

[dbk]

I think Luck is the favorite right now to win the ROY.. but if RG3 can bring the Skins to win the majority of their remaining games (NYG, BAL, CLE, PHI, DAL) then I think RG3 will win it. The media "drive" is going to be crazy for RG3!