Off Topic Crap From OT 9/11 Remembrance Thred

[John Connor]

One more thing. They say all the time that this kind of attack wasn't thought of before. I have however heard a few in DC that thought of such a thing. Now when I was in Job Corp between the years '99-'00 I for some reason thought a terorist attack could be a plane hitting a building. My thoughts were fueled in part from the USS Cole and from my reading in the newspaper back in '95 about a prop plane landing on the White House lawn when Clinton was President. So it seemed to be that such an attack was possible.

Now here's the sucky part. Due in large part on how our society operates we are still VERY vulnerable. I could post at least 12 vectors on what a terrorist could do. If any of these things were to come to light security in this country as we know it will be unbelievable! Think cameras every where and millimeter wave machines.

 

[John Connor]

The hijackers went to American flight schools.

I know that and those were just prop planes, not sophisticated jet aircraft with more bells and whistles than the Star Trek Enterprise.

Last I heard the largest state sponsor of terrorism was Iran...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Like I give a shit about a Wiki reference.

[Bon Jovi]
Shot down, in a blaze of glory...
[/Bon Jovi]

Of course you don't care about the facts. Truthers always disregard them.

 

[MongGrel]

I know that and those were just prop planes, not sophisticated jet aircraft with more bells and whistles than the Star Trek Enterprise.

Last I heard the largest state sponsor of terrorism was Iran...

[Bon Jovi]
Shot down, in a blaze of glory...
[/Bon Jovi]

Of course you don't care about the facts. Truthers always disregard them.

It's a bit sad really what some idiots say.

 

[Printer Bandit]

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

It's a bit sad really.

The sadness is that people blatantly ignore the available facts.

But I understand. Many people begin with a conclusion and shoehorn the facts they are willing to accept into that foregone conclusion.

However, that is not the definition of an open mind. ime, closed minds are fucked up minds.

 

[MongGrel]

The sadness is that people blatantly ignore the available facts.

But I understand. Many people begin with a conclusion and shoehorn the facts they are willing to accept into that foregone conclusion.

However, that is not the definition of an open mind. ime, closed minds are fucked up minds.

You just keep on living in fantasy land.

Won't affect me any.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You just keep on living in fantasy land.

Won't affect me any.

Yet you can't seem to counter any of my posts with actual facts.

Truthers ignore facts. That has been long established here at AT. Thanks for placing yourself in that camp. Now ATOT can laugh at you even more beyond your daily blog posts where few care about how your cheap Orgreenic pans have lasted.

 

[Fenixgoon]

One more thing. They say all the time that this kind of attack wasn't thought of before. I have however heard a few in DC that thought of such a thing. Now when I was in Job Corp between the years '99-'00 I for some reason thought a terorist attack could be a plane hitting a building. My thoughts were fueled in part from the USS Cole and from my reading in the newspaper back in '95 about a prop plane landing on the White House lawn when Clinton was President. So it seemed to be that such an attack was possible.

Now here's the sucky part. Due in large part on how our society operates we are still VERY vulnerable. I could post at least 12 vectors on what a terrorist could do. If any of these things were to come to light security in this country as we know it will be unbelievable! Think cameras every where and millimeter wave machines.

there are a million ways people can do damage. it's trivially easy.

 

[MongGrel]

Yet you can't seem to counter any of my posts with actual facts.

Truthers ignore facts. That has been long established here at AT. Thanks for placing yourself in that camp. Now ATOT can laugh at you even more beyond your daily blog posts where few care about how your cheap Orgreenic pans have lasted.

Knock yourself out.

I'm not wasting the time.

The pans/pots are still doing fantastic btw.

I don't think I've even put anything up about them in almost a year, not sure what you mean about daily.

*edit* Had to look, let one get way too hot once, kinda fudged the coating a bit, but the wife still uses it at lower level, the rest of the set perfect. Was last posted to by me about 3 months ago.

Not much of a blog.

Bring on some more facts.

 

[DCal430]

Tired of this 9-11 obsession each year. We need to move on people. The city here had this huge parade for the "heroes" of the french train "terrorist" attack, really it is getting too much.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Bring on some more facts.

They are clearly wasted on you. If you want to blissfully, willingly ignore facts and wallow in ignorance there is nothing anyone can do about that. Stick your fingers in your ears and go "la-la-la-la-la" so you don't actually have to learn anything that counters your existing biases.

 

[boomerang]

Tired of this 9-11 obsession each year. We need to move on people. The city here had this huge parade for the "heroes" of the french train "terrorist" attack, really it is getting too much.

Come on now, none of us begrudge that little extra skip you have in your step on Stalin's birthday every year.

 

[Humpy]

That's what the day is about, remembering all of the people who were blown up/crashed into a building, had their throats slit, burned up, crushed, or had to make the choice between staying in the building and burning/suffocating, or jumping 90 stories to their deaths, as well as all the first responders killed trying to get to all of the trapped people.

Huh, barely any mention in this thread about any of that stuff. I might have seen a little something like that in between all the cool stories of "I had just woke up from a fap nap and turned on the TV and then had breakfast while trying to log into ATOT" but I was pretty busy honoring the heroes by posting 9/11 FB memes, so I could have missed a few.

 

[destrekor]

Mongrel, let me remind you that TastesLikeChicken has a very excellent point: you are instigating an argument and, rather than posting any facts to back up your points, resorting to derision.

I take no sides in your argument, but I'd like to see what you have to offer if there is anything.


As for his stance, I am not at all sold on the notion that OBJ's distaste for the US and all things Western/Capitalistic were all a result of a proud warrior scorned. He grew up with luxury and then abandoned it all in his fight against the leader of the Western World. That goes beyond wounded pride and into the realm of adopting a life-changing radicalized view of the world. That is not uncommon, and I don't see it as having been driven out of pride, or else the level of his commitment would have wavered as he was tested.

He and his followers were the subject of part of my studies (and others like him), and I wager it was a far greater motivation that fueled his fire, something anyone who has undergone a change in beliefs in maturity should be able to understand. While that level of radical belief is more alien to most, it can be witnessed often in the mold of the generic extremist. They live through life witnessing things they brush off at first, but then something sparks an evolution of thought that leads to adopting a personal meaning to life.

For anyone who has paid attention to the news, it should be clear that can even happen to happy Americans and Brits, who ship themselves off to integrate with the extremists.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Mongrel, let me remind you that TastesLikeChicken has a very excellent point: you are instigating an argument and, rather than posting any facts to back up your points, resorting to derision.

I take no sides in your argument, but I'd like to see what you have to offer if there is anything.


As for his stance, I am not at all sold on the notion that OBJ's distaste for the US and all things Western/Capitalistic were all a result of a proud warrior scorned. He grew up with luxury and then abandoned it all in his fight against the leader of the Western World. That goes beyond wounded pride and into the realm of adopting a life-changing radicalized view of the world. That is not uncommon, and I don't see it as having been driven out of pride, or else the level of his commitment would have wavered as he was tested.

He and his followers were the subject of part of my studies (and others like him), and I wager it was a far greater motivation that fueled his fire, something anyone who has undergone a change in beliefs in maturity should be able to understand. While that level of radical belief is more alien to most, it can be witnessed often in the mold of the generic extremist. They live through life witnessing things they brush off at first, but then something sparks an evolution of thought that leads to adopting a personal meaning to life.

For anyone who has paid attention to the news, it should be clear that can even happen to happy Americans and Brits, who ship themselves off to integrate with the extremists.

OBL had no problem with the US assisting the native Muj in Afghanistan. He seemed to have no issues with the US at all until the point came where he was refused the ability to "protect" SA from Saddam and US troops were brought in instead. Coincidence? Maybe, but unlikely.

OBL, by all accounts, had a rather large ego. In regards to luxury, he simply made a trade - he traded luxury for power, likely because he got a better buzz from power and control. imo, it's the primary reason people worldwide like politicians and religious leaders put themselves in similar positions. They love the power and control. Dig into the motivations of the vast majority in those types of positions and rarely is it done selflessly and sacrificially. That's just human nature.

 

[John Connor]

Gotta share this!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/f-...on-sept-11/ar-AAebKjD?ocid=spartandhp#image=1

 

[MongGrel]

Meh. This is the kind of crap 9/11 Truthers spout, with the addition of a raised eyebrow at the end without providing any of the details of those "facts."

Most 9/11 attackers were Saudis because they were followers of OBL. But the real fact is that Saudi Arabia had revoked Bin Laden's citizenship years before due to his radical leanings and actions.

As far as the flight allegedly leaving with Bin Laden family members right after 9/11, another claim the moronic Truthers love to repeat:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

So you are saying Saudis being allowed to fly out of Miami is not true ?

I seem to recall it being on the news that day.

How anyone labeled me a truther is beyond me, I'm one of the people that refute that type of thing.

Even if some people have some interesting things to say about it.

I still wonder if they didn't have Thermite they brought on the planes also.

9/11 Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B009DCO4VM?ie=UTF8&keywords=9%2F11&qid=1442190906&ref_=sr_1_4&s=instant-video&sr=1-4

Molten steel pouring out of some buildings in live footage does seem odd, but it's always possible the hijackers brought some with them.

That or what might have been in the beams themselves to begin with, people have put some very questionable things in steel in the past. The I-Beams themselves might not have been up to par.

I am not a conspiracy person.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

So you are saying Saudis being allowed to fly out of Miami is not true ?

I seem to recall it being on the news that day.

What you said was:

"Most people do not seem to remember most of the people in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi Arabian to begin with.

Or the fact one of the few non military planes allowed to fly that night were members of the Saudi Arabian family on a private jet hauling ass out of Miami. "

They did not fly "that night." The Saudis did not depart until after air space was officially reopened. NO special dispensation was given them to fly out of the US.

How anyone labeled me a truther is beyond me, I'm one of the people that refute that type of thing.

Even if some people have some interesting things to say about it.

I still wonder if they didn't have Thermite they brought on the planes also.

9/11 Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B009DCO4VM?ie=UTF8&keywords=9%2F11&qid=1442190906&ref_=sr_1_4&s=instant-video&sr=1-4

Molten steel pouring out of some buildings in live footage does seem odd, but it's always possible the hijackers brought some with them.

Molten steel? How do you know it was molten steel?

But commercial aircraft, tons and tons of which just crashed into the towers, happen to be made mostly of aluminum. Aluminum can also easily reach a molten stage within the temperatures reached in the burning towers. Hmm. What do you think is far, far more likely that molten material consists of?

You'll never hear truthers mention molten aluminum though. They spout "molten steel", again with their idiotic raised eyebrows, and completely ignore the viable explanation because it doesn't fit into their narrative. Maybe they should be called half-Truthers, because that's all you ever get from them?

 

[MongGrel]

OBL had no problem with the US assisting the native Muj in Afghanistan. He seemed to have no issues with the US at all until the point came where he was refused the ability to "protect" SA from Saddam and US troops were brought in instead. Coincidence? Maybe, but unlikely.

OBL, by all accounts, had a rather large ego. In regards to luxury, he simply made a trade - he traded luxury for power, likely because he got a better buzz from power and control. imo, it's the primary reason people worldwide like politicians and religious leaders put themselves in similar positions. They love the power and control. Dig into the motivations of the vast majority in those types of positions and rarely is it done selflessly and sacrificially. That's just human nature.

Charlie Wilson (Texas politician)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_%28Texas_politician%29

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129393/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Charlie Wilson (Texas politician)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_%28Texas_politician%29

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129393/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

I already responded to this previously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Edit: And please stop just spamming meaningless links. I want to hear YOUR specific claims in your own words.

 

[MongGrel]

Claims about what in in particular atm.

I even read back through the thread, looks like you just want a fight atm.

So on top of the other you are saying the CIA did not fight a covert war in Afghanistan ?

Would be like saying no Saudis flew out of Miami that day.

You believe what you want to I believe, arguing about it isn't going to change things.

*edit* btw, you don't get to tell me how to post.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Claims about what in in particular atm.

I even read back through the thread, looks like you just want a fight atm.

So on top of the other you are saying the CIA did not fight a covert war in Afghanistan ?

Would be like saying no Saudis flew out of Miami that day.

You believe what you want to I guess.

:sigh:

You don't even appear to understand what you've allegedly read.

Yes, the CIA DID covertly fund native Afghan Muj. NO, they did not fund Bin Laden and his Muj. Bin Laden didn't need the money. He had his own funding.

And NO Saudis flew out of Miami that day. It is an established fact. You are wrong about that, plain and simple. I've provided proof of that fact.

Edit: btw, I will tell you how to post in this case because if you aren't going to even take the time to bother to explain what you allegedly know in your own words then you are disrespecting me and wasting my time. I won't tolerate that.

 

[MongGrel]

:sigh:

You don't even appear to understand what you've allegedly read.

Yes, the CIA DID covertly fund native Afghan Muj. NO, they did not fund Bin Laden and his Muj. Bin Laden didn't need the money. He had his own funding.

And NO Saudis flew out of Miami that day. It is an established fact. You are wrong about that, plain and simple. I've provided proof of that fact.

CYA.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Not if I see you first.