Off Topic Crap From OT 9/11 Remembrance Thred

[LegendKiller]

Would have obliterating the Taliban before the attack stopped it?



OK

Probably. It would have disrupted their operations enough and/or captured Bin Laden and the rest of the senior staff.

 

[WelshBloke]

Probably. It would have disrupted their operations enough and/or captured Bin Laden and the rest of the senior staff.

What would have stopped Al Quida from operating from Somalia again?

 

[MongGrel]

It's amazing. I never had the Internet until 2003. Although I was on it at the library, school and a friends house. I bet a majority of all those posts were made with dial-up. Aww, the wonderful sound of QAM in the morning.

Broadband was quite prevalent in 2001. 2Mb to 5Mb connections were common in cities and surrounding suburbs. From 1995 to 2000 I had my own dedicated phone line for dial-up though. I can't imagine not having a home Internet connection until 2003. That would just be crazy.

It's amazing just how hammered the big news sites were when all of this unfolded. I remember waiting up to 10 minutes just for a single page to finish loading.

Not really relevant, but had my first cable modem around 1995 when we purchased our house. I remember the guy from GTE when we had our cable installed mentioned cable modems were coming out when we bought the place and I told him to put a jack right buy the computer for it.

Yeah, even had dial up before then.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Probably. It would have disrupted their operations enough and/or captured Bin Laden and the rest of the senior staff.

so you think its beneficial for the US and the world for the US to unilaterally invade other countries' sovereign space for the purpose of hunting down terrorists, wherever they may be, at any point in time, so long as they pose a threat to us, however grave or limited?

 

[MongGrel]

Dear Penthouse,

Not really, she was married and just not someone I would usually even strike up a conversation with at the time outside of a working situation, I was just stunned enough I acted out of character.

Enough derailing I guess.

 

[destrekor]

so you think its beneficial for the US and the world for the US to unilaterally invade other countries' sovereign space for the purpose of hunting down terrorists, wherever they may be, at any point in time, so long as they pose a threat to us, however grave or limited?

I really hope we stop that, that is not the place for the US anymore. It shouldn't have ever been, but sometimes it does help us in the end. I can't really think of how any of the efforts in the Middle East have remotely helped us. Bomb the hell out of them after they do something to us, but let it boil enough over there, they'll be at each others throats in no time. Iran hates ISIS, and Saudi Arabia -- while under the same principal Islamic sect as ISIS -- also wants nothing to do with them, especially because ISIS/ISIL/themfucks want Saudi land.

 

[MongGrel]

Most people do not seem to remember most of the people in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi Arabian to begin with.

Or the fact one of the few non military planes allowed to fly that night were members of the Saudi Arabian family on a private jet hauling ass out of Miami.

 

[Markbnj]

Coincidence?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dead-crane-collapses-Grand-Mosque-Mecca.html

 

[destrekor]

Most people do not seem to remember most of the people in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi Arabian to begin with.

Or the fact one of the few non military planes allowed to fly that night were members of the Saudi Arabian family on a private jet hauling ass out of Miami.

Terrorists can come from anywhere and everywhere. Their homeland needn't support their views. bin Laden was from a very rich Saudi family, certainly true, but that has hardly anything to do with things.

Many Saudis are very rich, and a few do fund extremists. That sucks, wish we could stomp that out, but it is what it is.

 

[MongGrel]

but that has hardly anything to do with things.

Many Saudis are very rich, and a few do fund extremists. That sucks, wish we could stomp that out, but it is what it is.

It actually does.

 

[destrekor]

It actually does.

How?

The Middle East is simply fucked up. There are plenty of rich people who don't fund things, but there are rich folks who do fund things. It is everywhere, but nothing that defines a State's politics. Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Well... Qatar is sort of a different story. However... also remember how many supporters exist in the US, Britain, etc. Does that determine the sponsor status of US and the UK, or even the Western World as a whole?

 

[natto fire]

Terrorists can come from anywhere and everywhere. Their homeland needn't support their views. bin Laden was from a very rich Saudi family, certainly true, but that has hardly anything to do with things.

Many Saudis are very rich, and a few do fund extremists. That sucks, wish we could stomp that out, but it is what it is.

Akin to how a true blue American pays to have his wife killed. Assuming he did not inherit a docile wife.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Most people do not seem to remember most of the people in the 9/11 attacks were Saudi Arabian to begin with.

Or the fact one of the few non military planes allowed to fly that night were members of the Saudi Arabian family on a private jet hauling ass out of Miami.

Meh. This is the kind of crap 9/11 Truthers spout, with the addition of a raised eyebrow at the end without providing any of the details of those "facts."

Most 9/11 attackers were Saudis because they were followers of OBL. But the real fact is that Saudi Arabia had revoked Bin Laden's citizenship years before due to his radical leanings and actions.

As far as the flight allegedly leaving with Bin Laden family members right after 9/11, another claim the moronic Truthers love to repeat:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

 

[MongGrel]

Meh. This is the kind of crap 9/11 Truthers spout, with the addition of a raised eyebrow at the end without providing any of the details of those "facts."

Most 9/11 attackers were Saudis because they were followers of OBL. But the real fact is that Saudi Arabia had revoked Bin Laden's citizenship years before due to his radical leanings and actions.

As far as the flight allegedly leaving with Bin Laden family members right after 9/11, another claim the moronic Truthers love to repeat:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

I'm actually a long way off from what you are referring to.

I just know what I saw.

And yes, OBL was a major source of that, and was propped up by the US way before that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

He was probably more of a factor then Reagan was as far as the Soviet Union going down.

next.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I'm actually a long way off from what you are referring to.

I just know what I saw.

And yes, OBL was a major source of that, and was propped up by the US way before that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

He was probably more of a factor then Reagan was as far as the Soviet Union going down.

next.

Wrong again. OBL was never "propped up" by the US during the USSR/Afgan war. This is yet another 9/11 Truther falsehood. The US did support Afgan rebels with money funneled through Pakistan, but not OBL. Look it up. I've already educated you enough on the subject.

btw, do you REALLY want to know why OBL attacked the US? It was purely because of his own ego. After the USSR/Afgan war, OBL came back to SA as a hero. He got his ego stroked constantly over his role in that fracas, a role which was really rather insignificant. He also had a rather large contingent of Mujahedeen following him that had nothing to do.

When Saddam invaded Kuwait OBL went to the Saudi defense minister and volunteered to use his Muj to protect SA against Saddam with, of course, OBL as general. He was turned down. He tried to make his case again and was turned down once again. Then SA decided to use the US as their protector instead. That enraged OBL and it was the point where he turned his wrath on the US. So ultimately 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, rage against capitalist pigs, or anything of the sort. It was solely because OBL was a butthurt bitch.

 

[John Connor]

It don't work that way in the real world believe me...... and to cap it off the Iran deal went through on 9/11!

http://www.newstalk1130.com/media/p...-MarkBelling/mark-belling-hr-1-pt-2-26345510/

No matter what side you are on listen all the way through it's an eye opener! It's going to get bad real quick.

[offtopic]Great! Now the world's largest state sponser of terrorism will have a 100 billion from us tax payers to spend on Hezbollah and Hamas. [/offtopic]

 

[IronWing]

[offtopic]Great! Now the world's largest state sponser of terrorism will have a 100 billion from us tax payers to spend on Hezbollah and Hamas. [/offtopic]

What does Saudi Arabia have to do with the the Iran deal? Saudi money financed the 9/11 terrorists and Saudi money pushes jihadi ideology throughout the world.

 

[MongGrel]

Wrong again. OBL was never "propped up" by the US during the USSR/Afgan war.

Yes he was.

 

[John Connor]

This may sound conspiratorial, but I'm damn surprised at how these rat bastards were able to direct a complicated aircraft from Boston to New York. I never did read the gigantic 9/11 commission report so perhaps my question is in there. I don't know. Basically the thing is I have been always curious how to fly a plane and when I flew back and fourth between Colorado and Utah I said to myself, " this is the job I want!" I would love nothing more than to be in the air. One day I decided to install Flight Simulator 2004 (FS2004) since then from all those years ago I have acquired over 55 GB of data in my FS2004 install. Now I have a very sophisticated aircraft from the publisher PMDG. It is the 737NG. It has a lot of the bells and whistles. Most buttons work and follow the real-life counter part. In fact Boeing teamed up with PMDG to make this sim plane. I have learned how to operate this aircraft including the FMC (Flight management Computer) and read SIDS (Standard Instrument Departure) and STARS (Standard Terminal Arrival) These are like final vectors to and from the airport before and after the transition. (a final waypoint)

Now since I have learned all this it amazes me to this day that hijackers were able to use the FMC and NAV their way to NY. I know they messed with Flight Simulator, but back then it was never as complex and feature rich as it is today. They most likely used FS98. How in the HELL did they know how to navigate? Perhaps they entered a VOR? Perhaps they knew of several VORs that they could NAV by? Freaking nuts!

Could you jump in the cockpit and program the FMC?

 

[John Connor]

What does Saudi Arabia have to do with the the Iran deal? Saudi money financed the 9/11 terrorists and Saudi money pushes jihadi ideology throughout the world.

Where did I mention Saudi Arabia?

 

[MongGrel]

This may sound conspiratorial, but I'm damn surprised at how these rat bastards were able to direct a complicated aircraft from Boston to New York. I never did read the gigantic 9/11 commission report so perhaps my question is in there. I don't know. Basically the thing is I have been always curious how to fly a plane and when I flew back and fourth between Colorado and Utah I said to myself, " this is the job I want!" I would love nothing more than to be in the air. One day I decided to install Flight Simulator 2004 (FS2004) since then from all those years ago I have acquired over 55 GB of data in my FS2004 install. Now I have a very sophisticated aircraft from the publisher PMDG. It is the 737NG. It has a lot of the bells and whistles. Most buttons work and follow the real-life counter part. In fact Boeing teamed up with PMDG to make this sim plane. I have learned how to operate this aircraft including the FMC (Flight management Computer) and read SIDS (Standard Instrument Departure) and STARS (Standard Terminal Arrival) These are like final vectors to and from the airport before and after the transition. (a final waypoint)

Now since I have learned all this it amazes me to this day that hijackers were able to use the FMC and NAV their way to NY. I know they messed with Flight Simulator, but back then it was never as complex and feature rich as it is today. They most likely used FS98 or 2002? How in the HELL did they know how to navigate? Perhaps they entered a VOR? Perhaps they knew of several VORs that they could NAV by? Freaking nuts!

Could you jump in the cockpit and program the FMC?

You think flight sims are real life and various other things.

I'll just let that lay there.

 

[IronWing]

Where did I mention Saudi Arabia?

Right here: "the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism".

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Yes he was.

:sigh:

Wow. All that evidence you provided. How can I argue against that?

Oh, wait, I can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

 

[IronWing]

This may sound conspiratorial, but I'm damn surprised at how these rat bastards were able to direct a complicated aircraft from Boston to New York. I never did read the gigantic 9/11 commission report so perhaps my question is in there. I don't know. Basically the thing is I have been always curious how to fly a plane and when I flew back and fourth between Colorado and Utah I said to myself, " this is the job I want!" I would love nothing more than to be in the air. One day I decided to install Flight Simulator 2004 (FS2004) since then from all those years ago I have acquired over 55 GB of data in my FS2004 install. Now I have a very sophisticated aircraft from the publisher PMDG. It is the 737NG. It has a lot of the bells and whistles. Most buttons work and follow the real-life counter part. In fact Boeing teamed up with PMDG to make this sim plane. I have learned how to operate this aircraft including the FMC (Flight management Computer) and read SIDS (Standard Instrument Departure) and STARS (Standard Terminal Arrival) These are like final vectors to and from the airport before and after the transition. (a final waypoint)

Now since I have learned all this it amazes me to this day that hijackers were able to use the FMC and NAV their way to NY. I know they messed with Flight Simulator, but back then it was never as complex and feature rich as it is today. They most likely used FS98. How in the HELL did they know how to navigate? Perhaps they entered a VOR? Perhaps they knew of several VORs that they could NAV by? Freaking nuts!

Could you jump in the cockpit and program the FMC?

The hijackers went to American flight schools.

 

[MongGrel]

:sigh:

Wow. All that evidence you provided. How can I argue against that?

Oh, wait, I can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

Like I give a shit about a Wiki reference.