another thing to consider.
offenses are a lot more running back driven now than they were in the 90's (when emmitt did the bulk of his). the 90's was soo pass oriented. now because defenses are soo agressive with the pass rush, more and more teams are run oriented, meaning rb's are going to put up bigger numbers / season than they did in the 90's.
shoot, look at all the great games on the ground we've seen the last 3 or 4 years. compare that to the 90's. it wasn't that the crop now was soo much better than the crop then, it is more because of how offenses are designed.
offenses are a lot more running back driven now than they were in the 90's (when emmitt did the bulk of his). the 90's was soo pass oriented. now because defenses are soo agressive with the pass rush, more and more teams are run oriented, meaning rb's are going to put up bigger numbers / season than they did in the 90's.
shoot, look at all the great games on the ground we've seen the last 3 or 4 years. compare that to the 90's. it wasn't that the crop now was soo much better than the crop then, it is more because of how offenses are designed.
impressive? absolutely. is emmitt a great running back? without a doubt. will anyone break the record? more than likely, but itll take a while, and probably not from the crop of current players.
there are plenty of backs that couldve done it in the same situation, thats why i said it doesnt "seem so special" in relation to the numbers. im not trying to dismiss what hes done, just put it into perspective the way i see it.
plenty of people COULD have broken hank aarons record GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES. this is true for ANY RECORD, that's why it's such a stupid comment.
shoot, if i had been borne with the same genetic makeup and same enviromental suroundings as carl lewis, i could have run as fast as he.
you are drawing on the absurd to try and make your point.
IF len bias hadn't OD'd on coke and died, he could have been better than karl malone. If Roy Tarpley had had Karl Malones work ethic, he could have been the best basketball player ever. IF ralph sampson had been able to get as muscular as shaq, he would have been the greatest bball player ever. . . .
you are drawing on the absurd to try and make your point.
IF len bias hadn't OD'd on coke and died, he could have been better than karl malone. If Roy Tarpley had had Karl Malones work ethic, he could have been the best basketball player ever. IF ralph sampson had been able to get as muscular as shaq, he would have been the greatest bball player ever. . . .
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Why do you believe there are so many other backs that could have done the same? Emmitt racked up a lot of hards, but if I recall at the end of nearly every one of those runs he got hit. He held up to the test of DURABILITY. Many other backs have not been able to do that, regardless of the fact that they were on a bad team or a good team.
The cowboys did have a very good O-line, but for quite a few years that emmitt was there they were a horrible team. 1989, Emmitts rookie season they won I think 1 game. They didn't start to get good till 92. After about 96-97 they started to get bad again. After 99 they were real bad for quite some time. Now he plays for an even worse team. Yes, he has 3 Super Bowl rings, but his team was not the best team in the NFL for 15 years. It was the best for maybe 3 or 4. Not to mention he was a big reason they were the best. He was the one who broke the tackles, not the blockers.
Granted, the O-line made a big difference, but I don't think there is any way you can really say you know there are a lot of other backs that would have done the same thing if in the same situation. Thats assuming a lot.
The cowboys did have a very good O-line, but for quite a few years that emmitt was there they were a horrible team. 1989, Emmitts rookie season they won I think 1 game. They didn't start to get good till 92. After about 96-97 they started to get bad again. After 99 they were real bad for quite some time. Now he plays for an even worse team. Yes, he has 3 Super Bowl rings, but his team was not the best team in the NFL for 15 years. It was the best for maybe 3 or 4. Not to mention he was a big reason they were the best. He was the one who broke the tackles, not the blockers.
Granted, the O-line made a big difference, but I don't think there is any way you can really say you know there are a lot of other backs that would have done the same thing if in the same situation. Thats assuming a lot.
would it be safe to assume he wouldnt have those numbers had he played for the cardinals all those years? i would think so. and therein lies why my opinion is what it is, and how i look at records: look at the record in relation to the team and the times.
you don't know. we don't know if payton would have put up the numbers he did with another team. we don't know if brown would have, we don't know what barry sanders would have done if he had gone to a team with a grass stadium. we don't know how OJ would have done with another team.
mb if Bo had been on another team he wouldn't have been hit and had a career ending injury.
to play these games is stupid.
records are what they are. what emmitt did was impressive.
agreed. i think i conclusively disproved his arguments. but he seems hellbent on pushing them.
oh well.
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I think it will be done in my lifetime. It's an impressive record, but it's a breakable record. It's not like Cal Ripken's record which is next to impossible in todays day and age.
im not disagreeing with the fact that emmitt is a great back, or that his numbers are impressive.
im answering the question of " Who do you think is the most likely to have a shot at Emmitts record? " for me to answer that question, i take into account the numbers and who he played for.
how can you answer the question without at least giving other backs a shot with similar touches and circumstances? no one will likely ever break it without those circumstances.
while i do think hes an asshole, that has nothing to do with my opinion on his record. ive said hes a great back.
your comment wasn't about present backs. you said many of emmitts contemporaries could have done it given the same circumstances. just not true. barry could have done it, but he was a whiny quitter. thurman could have done it but he wasn't as durable.
as far as present backs, martin is really the only one with even a ghost of a chance.
faulk is already on the downside of his career. edge has already had injury problems. j lewis is what he is. LT could do it, but i'd have to see him do it for about 5 more seasons without injuries to really give him a good chance. priest holmes, mb. tiki barber? not likely.
again. of todays crop of backs, martin is really at the top of the list.
again, backs today should have a better chance because, offenses are more geared to running than they were in the 90's.
emmit wasn't a bad back but he ran behind one of the best O-Lines for years, and any back coulda put up big numbers with that.
Now look at sanders he played on a crap team yet was able to put up quite a few 2000 yard+ seasons, this guy was awsome he would often run 20+ lateral yards just to find away to get back to the line of scrimage.
Now look at sanders he played on a crap team yet was able to put up quite a few 2000 yard+ seasons, this guy was awsome he would often run 20+ lateral yards just to find away to get back to the line of scrimage.
Deeko
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Don't even try to talk sh!t on Jerry Rice.
Receptions: 1519, 2nd place: 1101
Yards: 22466 2nd place: 14734
TD's: 194 2nd place: 129
No one comes even close to Rice.
new2AMD, exactly, you don't see THEM being #1 all time. Having a good team helps but its not like if you're a good team, you've got backs racking up #1 all time yardage.
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Barry was incapable of running up the middle and plowing through people like Emmitt. Thats why he had to run laterally 20 yards just to pick up 2. He had the jukes like you've never seen, but thats ALL he had. He wasn't a powerful pound it up the middle back, he wasn't versatile like Priest Holmes or LT. He had quickness and it was spectacular to watch. Kinda like Michael Vick, he's thrilling to watch, but when you think about it, he's not really that great overall.
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