Of all the current running backs in the NFL...

[xboxist]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
emmit wasn't a bad back but he ran behind one of the best O-Lines for years, and any back coulda put up big numbers with that.

Now look at sanders he played on a crap team yet was able to put up quite a few 2000 yard+ seasons, this guy was awsome he would often run 20+ lateral yards just to find away to get back to the line of scrimage.

Barry was incapable of running up the middle and plowing through people like Emmitt. Thats why he had to run laterally 20 yards just to pick up 2. He had the jukes like you've never seen, but thats ALL he had. He wasn't a powerful pound it up the middle back, he wasn't versatile like Priest Holmes or LT. He had quickness and it was spectacular to watch. Kinda like Michael Vick, he's thrilling to watch, but when you think about it, he's not really that great overall.

Yeah, not that great. :roll:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Im thinking the one (not saying he is going to do it) is Marshall Faulk.

A while back it looked as if Stephen Davis might do it but hes not doing so hot right now.

-Kevin

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: xboxist

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
emmit wasn't a bad back but he ran behind one of the best O-Lines for years, and any back coulda put up big numbers with that.

Now look at sanders he played on a crap team yet was able to put up quite a few 2000 yard+ seasons, this guy was awsome he would often run 20+ lateral yards just to find away to get back to the line of scrimage.

Barry was incapable of running up the middle and plowing through people like Emmitt. Thats why he had to run laterally 20 yards just to pick up 2. He had the jukes like you've never seen, but thats ALL he had. He wasn't a powerful pound it up the middle back, he wasn't versatile like Priest Holmes or LT. He had quickness and it was spectacular to watch. Kinda like Michael Vick, he's thrilling to watch, but when you think about it, he's not really that great overall.

Yeah, not that great. :roll:

Did you ever actually watch the Lions play? How many times a game did Barry put them in a 2nd and 15 cause he lost 5 yards trying to out juke the whole team. Ya, he did it a lot, but he also put his team in a hole a lot.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: xboxist

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
emmit wasn't a bad back but he ran behind one of the best O-Lines for years, and any back coulda put up big numbers with that.

Now look at sanders he played on a crap team yet was able to put up quite a few 2000 yard+ seasons, this guy was awsome he would often run 20+ lateral yards just to find away to get back to the line of scrimage.

Barry was incapable of running up the middle and plowing through people like Emmitt. Thats why he had to run laterally 20 yards just to pick up 2. He had the jukes like you've never seen, but thats ALL he had. He wasn't a powerful pound it up the middle back, he wasn't versatile like Priest Holmes or LT. He had quickness and it was spectacular to watch. Kinda like Michael Vick, he's thrilling to watch, but when you think about it, he's not really that great overall.

Yeah, not that great. :roll:

Did you ever actually watch the Lions play? How many times a game did Barry put them in a 2nd and 15 cause he lost 5 yards trying to out juke the whole team. Ya, he did it a lot, but he also put his team in a hole a lot.

Do you have stats that he did this all the time? His career stats show him with an avg. of 5 yards per carry over his 9 year career. Thats very exceptional. He was a very good RB, and I wish he would have stayed in the league. But he had his reasons for retiring.

Barry Sanders' career stats

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Deeko
The only unbreakable record in the NFL is Jerry Rice. Its sick.

What, most washed up player not to retire?

Don't even try to talk sh!t on Jerry Rice.

Receptions: 1519, 2nd place: 1101
Yards: 22466 2nd place: 14734
TD's: 194 2nd place: 129

No one comes even close to Rice.

new2AMD, exactly, you don't see THEM being #1 all time. Having a good team helps but its not like if you're a good team, you've got backs racking up #1 all time yardage.

Thank you Stat Boy. Good to see that you know how to use Google.

There's no doubt however, that he no longer has a place in this league, and when you're traded for another team's 7th round draft pick, it's time to retire.

 

[Cuda1447]

I watched the games. I don't need stats when I saw it first hand. Ask anyone who watched the lions in the mid 90s

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I'll take that as a "ok fine deeko, you're right and I'm an idiot".

thanks for conceding.

you should tell him to stab himself with a rusty knife or something, that might drive the point home.

anyway, i don't think anyone will break emmit's record. not at the rate injuries are happening in the nfl. the guys are just too big, too fast, and too roided up.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Smith is lucky Sanders quit

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Deeko
The only unbreakable record in the NFL is Jerry Rice. Its sick.

What, most washed up player not to retire?

Don't even try to talk sh!t on Jerry Rice.

Receptions: 1519, 2nd place: 1101
Yards: 22466 2nd place: 14734
TD's: 194 2nd place: 129

No one comes even close to Rice.

new2AMD, exactly, you don't see THEM being #1 all time. Having a good team helps but its not like if you're a good team, you've got backs racking up #1 all time yardage.

Thank you Stat Boy. Good to see that you know how to use Google.

There's no doubt however, that he no longer has a place in this league, and when you're traded for another team's 7th round draft pick, it's time to retire.

Why? If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive, and he still wants to play, he has a place in the league.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Deeko
The only unbreakable record in the NFL is Jerry Rice. Its sick.

What, most washed up player not to retire?

Don't even try to talk sh!t on Jerry Rice.

Receptions: 1519, 2nd place: 1101
Yards: 22466 2nd place: 14734
TD's: 194 2nd place: 129

No one comes even close to Rice.

new2AMD, exactly, you don't see THEM being #1 all time. Having a good team helps but its not like if you're a good team, you've got backs racking up #1 all time yardage.

Thank you Stat Boy. Good to see that you know how to use Google.

There's no doubt however, that he no longer has a place in this league, and when you're traded for another team's 7th round draft pick, it's time to retire.

Why? If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive, and he still wants to play, he has a place in the league.

Thats the problem...
"If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive" He's NOT. Time to retire.

 

[spanky]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Thats the problem...
"If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive" He's NOT. Time to retire.

he is still getting catches. not nearly as much as he used to, but he still does.

 

[Cuda1447]

If a team wants to pay him to play, he has a place in the league. Its not your choice to tell him when to retire. Its his choice. Hell, if he wants to fvckin sit on the bench he can, its his life.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: shimsham
the next back to play 15 seasons, and average 1200yds/season during that time.

hmm....doesnt seem so special when you look at it like that.

:roll:

do you know anything about running backs?

The key to having career records like Emmitt's is DURABILITY. You act like 1200 yards/season isn't hard, but it is over 15 seasons. Guys like Priest Holmes who have very average careers due to injuries and whatnot, and have a few big years, dont get career records. Most running backs can't get 25 carries a game for 15 seasons without getting hurt AND rack up decent yards.

Durability certainly does get you records, no doubt.

However, even though being durable is great and all, it certainly is no indicator of whether you're the best at that position or not. Just being able to outlast better athletes doesn't make you the best.

How many people would take Emmitt Smith in his absolute prime, over...say, Bo Jackson in his? Or Eric Dickerson?
I'd personally take Bo over any other back to ever play. Sure, it's nice to have a solid guy like Emmitt back there that can be there for years, but really....he played behind the most dominant offensive line of that era. He wouldn't have done crap behind most other team's lines. Emmitt had to be the slowest of all the great backs, ever.
I'll give Emmitt his due, he's had a great career, but I see him as an good back who played on the right team at the right time.
Any number of current players, Terrell Davis, Stephen Davis, Ricky Williams (if you consider him current), Clinton Portis, Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, etc, etc, etc....prime vs. prime, I'd take any of them over Emmitt.
No telling what a really fast back could have done on those Cowboy teams.

 

[Deeko]

Come on, you've got good points but you obviously didn't watch many Cowboys games. No, Emmitt wasn't an electrifying, quick back. He is a power back. He will tough out the inside yardage and get extra yards after the hit. He also was an excellent blocker. Riddle me this: what's more important, yards or TD's? No back even comes CLOSE to Emmitt in career TD's, and a power guy like him will always be better in the red zone. Sure, Barry might have been better at getting you there, but who is gonna punch it in? Points win games, not yards.

Emmitt never had a 2000 yard year(although he did have a 25TD year). There are plenty of backs that had better single seasons, clearly. But if I had to pick someone to build a franchise around, am I gonna pick someone who will give me a great 2 or 3 years(see Terrell Davis), or a guy who is gonna give me a solid 15?

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain
Thats the problem...
"If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive" He's NOT. Time to retire.

he is still getting catches. not nearly as much as he used to, but he still does.

You must not watch football alot, do you ??
He has play 8 games this season and he has 7 catches for 83 yds.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
If a team wants to pay him to play, he has a place in the league. Its not your choice to tell him when to retire. Its his choice. Hell, if he wants to fvckin sit on the bench he can, its his life.

You're just missing the point.
He is Jerry Rice !! Greatest WR ever in the history of the NFL.
When you're of his stature, why keep playing when you're not even half of what you're used to be.

Its like if Micheal Jordan decides to keep playing and hes averaging 3 pts per game.
Wouldn't that be a sign to retire ?? Would you like to see MJ keeping playing if he's only averaging 3 pts a game ??

7 catches in 8 games this season ??? Thats like less than 1/8 of what he used to be able to do.

 

[spanky]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain
Thats the problem...
"If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive" He's NOT. Time to retire.

he is still getting catches. not nearly as much as he used to, but he still does.

You must not watch football alot, do you ??
He has play 8 games this season and he has 7 catches for 83 yds.

well if you want to be a sarcastic ass nugget... then you must not be very good at reading comprehension.
first of all, since when did 7 catches equate to not getting catches?
secondly, it's week 9, the season is far from over.

 

[spanky]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
If a team wants to pay him to play, he has a place in the league. Its not your choice to tell him when to retire. Its his choice. Hell, if he wants to fvckin sit on the bench he can, its his life.

You're just missing the point.
He is Jerry Rice !! Greatest WR ever in the history of the NFL.
When you're of his stature, why keep playing when you're not even half of what you're used to be.

way to backtrack. who are you to tell him to retire? maybe he still loves to play the game. i would think he surely is not doing it for the money.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain
Thats the problem...
"If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive" He's NOT. Time to retire.

he is still getting catches. not nearly as much as he used to, but he still does.

You must not watch football alot, do you ??
He has play 8 games this season and he has 7 catches for 83 yds.

well if you want to be a sarcastic ass nugget... then you must not be very good at reading comprehension.
first of all, since when did 7 catches equate to not getting catches?
secondly, it's week 9, the season is far from over.

what's with the verbal insult? :roll:. 7 catches in 8 games is not being productive.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain
Thats the problem...
"If he's still getting catches, if he's still being productive" He's NOT. Time to retire.

he is still getting catches. not nearly as much as he used to, but he still does.

You must not watch football alot, do you ??
He has play 8 games this season and he has 7 catches for 83 yds.

well if you want to be a sarcastic ass nugget... then you must not be very good at reading comprehension.
first of all, since when did 7 catches equate to not getting catches?
secondly, it's week 9, the season is far from over.

You're a freakin dumbsh!t. Do you watch football at all ??
You think getting less than 1 catch per game is "still getting catches" ??
Lay down the pipe man.
There are WRs who are fifth stringers on a team that get more than a catch a game.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
If a team wants to pay him to play, he has a place in the league. Its not your choice to tell him when to retire. Its his choice. Hell, if he wants to fvckin sit on the bench he can, its his life.

You're just missing the point.
He is Jerry Rice !! Greatest WR ever in the history of the NFL.
When you're of his stature, why keep playing when you're not even half of what you're used to be.

way to backtrack. who are you to tell him to retire? maybe he still loves to play the game. i would think he surely is not doing it for the money.

Backtrack from what ?? Did I ever say he suck ??
I just agreed with someone that he should retire.
Let me know what I try to backtrack from ??

 

[cloude27]

i like LT breaking the record

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: shimsham
the next back to play 15 seasons, and average 1200yds/season during that time.

hmm....doesnt seem so special when you look at it like that.

:roll:

do you know anything about running backs?

The key to having career records like Emmitt's is DURABILITY. You act like 1200 yards/season isn't hard, but it is over 15 seasons. Guys like Priest Holmes who have very average careers due to injuries and whatnot, and have a few big years, dont get career records. Most running backs can't get 25 carries a game for 15 seasons without getting hurt AND rack up decent yards.

Durability certainly does get you records, no doubt.

However, even though being durable is great and all, it certainly is no indicator of whether you're the best at that position or not. Just being able to outlast better athletes doesn't make you the best.

How many people would take Emmitt Smith in his absolute prime, over...say, Bo Jackson in his? Or Eric Dickerson?
I'd personally take Bo over any other back to ever play. Sure, it's nice to have a solid guy like Emmitt back there that can be there for years, but really....he played behind the most dominant offensive line of that era. He wouldn't have done crap behind most other team's lines. Emmitt had to be the slowest of all the great backs, ever.
I'll give Emmitt his due, he's had a great career, but I see him as an good back who played on the right team at the right time.
Any number of current players, Terrell Davis, Stephen Davis, Ricky Williams (if you consider him current), Clinton Portis, Priest Holmes, Marshall Faulk, etc, etc, etc....prime vs. prime, I'd take any of them over Emmitt.
No telling what a really fast back could have done on those Cowboy teams.

Durability is certainly a sign of greatness, just look at Cal Ripken... he didn't play on a great team yet he's one of the greatest shortstops ever because of his durability. Give Emmitt his due, he would have been great behind any decent OL... it's the reason why Emmitt is great and Bo Jackson is not.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I watched the games. I don't need stats when I saw it first hand. Ask anyone who watched the lions in the mid 90s

To make the statement: "but when you think about it, he's [Barry Sanders is] not really that great overall." shows you don't follow football, nor the Lions aside from the occasional SC highlight. Barry had the greatest cuts of any RB of all time, and still achieved legendary status behind one of the worst teams in the league at the time. He was one of the strongest NFL players lb for lb (he squatted over 900 lbs at 5-7) which made him virtually impossible to tackle in open field. Had he not retired a season too soon, he would have easily broken Walter Payton's record.

 

[cmdavid]

Clinton Portis.
He just turned 23 like two months ago and is in his third season..
he averaged 1550 yards through his first two seasons...