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JD50 said:
What's funny is how sometimes you'll decide that you absolutely can't comment on legal matters unless it's been decided in a court of law. Well Trump has already been convicted for some of his many crimes, Biden has not. Yet here you are, still with this 'both sides' nonsense.
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To be clear in the past Greenman was very comfortable commenting on legal matters that hadn't been decided by a court of law.

Greenman said:
That's simply stupid. You're closing your eyes and putting your hands over your ears so you won't have to face the truth. There is absolutely no doubt at this point that she knowingly and willfully ignored the rules, attempted to destroy evidence, and continually lied to the American people and the FBI about it. It's either intent or stupidity on an enormous scale.

I was on the fence about this until today, but watching the FBI director's questioning, the truth is obvious. Hillary is either a complete idiot, a criminal, or absolutely certain that she's untouchable.
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Now, even on matters that HAVE been decided by a court of law he is trying to #bothsides it.
 
fskimospy said:
The biggest issue for me here is that hypothetical candidates almost always poll better than actual candidates.
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Yep. People stuff their hopes and dreams into "generic candidate X" before they really know them or before any media scrutiny has been applied, which is why those polls are always useless.
 
fskimospy said:
The biggest issue for me here is that hypothetical candidates almost always poll better than actual candidates.
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I think she's somewhat less hypothetical than say Gretchen Whitmer though. And as I note her numbers compared to Biden were not favorable.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Yep. People stuff their hopes and dreams into "generic candidate X" before they really know them or before any media scrutiny has been applied, which is why those polls are always useless.
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When name recognition is low a generic candidate can start out with high numbers because they aren't defined, this is arguably much of the D field that we'll be seeing in 2028. I'm having a hard time viewing this as exactly the same since she's already been subject to a lot of scrutiny and in recent weeks she's gone from consistently underperforming Biden to even or outperforming.
 
K1052 said:
When name recognition is low a generic candidate can start out with high numbers because they aren't defined, this is arguably much of the D field that we'll be seeing in 2028. I'm having a hard time viewing this as exactly the same since she's already been subject to a lot of scrutiny and in recent weeks she's gone from consistently underperforming Biden to even or outperforming.
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So what you are saying is while the magnitude of her polling maybe off the direction is one of improvement.
 
K1052 said:
When name recognition is low a generic candidate can start out with high numbers because they aren't defined, this is arguably much of the D field that we'll be seeing in 2028. I'm having a hard time viewing this as exactly the same since she's already been subject to a lot of scrutiny and in recent weeks she's gone from consistently underperforming Biden to even or outperforming.
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She'd probably excel in a debate against Trump in September. He might decline if things come to that. She'd pick him apart. She'll probably demolish Trump's running mate if it comes to that, i.e. she's VP candidate.
 
Muse said:
She'd probably excel in a debate against Trump in September. He might decline if things come to that. She'd pick him apart. She'll probably demolish Trump's running mate if it comes to that, i.e. she's VP candidate.
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Neither Trump nor Biden are either willing or able to campaign conventionally. Having a candidate that can should be a legitimate consideration here I think. Somebody that can do a campaign rally, a media appearance, a fundraiser, and show up lots of places where there are actual regular voters for simple retail politics all in a day and do it day after day.
 
Exactly. He's barely winning based on very skewed to the right polls. Take away the don't want either candidate, it turns to never orange monkey left. So the cardboard cutout wins by default.
 
K1052 said:
Previously Harris was testing at least several points below Biden. Recently it's been generally even or slightly ahead v Trump. Directionally there has been a change even if you have poll skepticism.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811364950952014093
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I have a hard time believing that a VERY unpopular Harris in 2020, for which the GOP will have plenty of attacks lined up ("DEI," border Czar, cackles, etc) will all of a sudden be up on Trump. Unless it's the "new name" bump initially that would then quickly fade?
 
gothuevos said:
I have a hard time believing that a VERY unpopular Harris in 2020, for which the GOP will have plenty of attacks lined up ("DEI," border Czar, cackles, etc) will all of a sudden be up on Trump. Unless it's the "new name" bump initially that would then quickly fade?
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I mean voters have eyes and the last couple weeks could have shifted some amount of opinions about the options here. Of course Trump's going to attack her but his campaign is solely oriented to attacking Biden and even his campaign staff is clearly nervous about the implications of a swap with four months to go. I think he is too otherwise he would't be spending his time complaining about George Clooney.
 
Stokely said:
The problem is that right now, Biden is looking like he's on a severe downslide from where he was a year ago, let alone four.

It doesn't take someone who follows politics to follow that on through. Nobody thinks he's going to get "better" when his problem is age. What will the POTUS be like in a year? That scares people. I reckon I'm in the minority when I say I wouldn't care if the VP took over. I would be concerned if someone lost their judgement, and frankly that seems like Biden right now.

Florida isn't really normally a blue state; it's purple at best. Looking back over the last few decades the GOP has won more presidential elections than not. I live in a county that went for Biden (barely) and there aren't many of those.

I didn't vote for Biden in the primary mainly because it's not hard to see he'd be 82 when he finishes his first term. I liked Warren but she's now 75 and even that's too old to be starting a grueling 4 year job IMO.

But it is what it is. The bed has been made years ago and now we are going to lie in it.
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Florida is a red state.
 
K1052 said:
This is not untrue but they in no small part did it to themselves.
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Yes, because the party elite and taste makers have the political instincts of morons.

There was a time to have this fight, it was just before the primaries. It's not like age was an unknown factor. Now is the time to unify as a block against Trump, not to turn onward with recriminations.
 
gothuevos said:
Credit to Biden where it's due

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811383521350385753
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That's a bit of Blue Anon propaganda. Yes he does campaign stops, but they count a campaign stop where Biden talks for six minutes, and then sits in the audience at a second event for a little bit. It's misleading. Also, let's face it, he doesn't look or sound great ever, he is just passable to not bad.

Also, his radio sit down interview in Philly was with planted questions by the white house. The radio station fired that interviewer for breaking journalistic integrity. The only interview he did was with Stephanopoulos, and it didn't go great.

He made it to Nato. Gold sticker? I mean we all know if he takes the right amount of naps, and supplements, or does whatever non bendy yoga that works, he can stand up and say words.

Is that the bar we want to have for a candidate who has to run a grueling race against Trump? He needs to really be able to do traditional campaigning, and he can't. Or he would have been doing it.
 
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