Oblivion Pics

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Cabages
You cant do HDR+AA with Nvidia though, can you?

Depends who you ask. Gstanfor seams to think you can, but just about everyone else says you can't review sites included. No one that I know has gotten it to work execpt with source engines that use a completly different type of HDR.

Gersson to help us out do you think you could put all of the eye candy on that your xfire rig will do? Also, what mods if any do you have on? Josh is trying to put the same exact ones that he used onto my machine. There are some mods that I just can't run. In example josh has a texture mod that I just can't use with only a 256mb card. This is where owners of the 7900gtx and 7950GX2 will benifit. I want to see just how pretty this game can get.

Correct. The Nvidia Cards 6 and 7 series can't do FP16 HDR+AA (which is basically real HDR and AA). The Source Engine uses Pixel Shaders to apply the HDR to the scene so you can still do AA to it since it isn't truly "real" HDR (although it's still HDR..., you get the point).

Anyway, nice pics. Got to load up Oblivion again. My 7900GT's in SLI are just waiting for somthing challenging (since I only game at 1280x1024 and 2x7900GT's is kinda overkill and Oblivion is one of the few games that stresses the hell out of them.

Sigh, your X1900XTX probably performs better than my 7900GT's in SLI @ 700/1620....

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Cabages
You cant do HDR+AA with Nvidia though, can you?

Depends who you ask. Gstanfor seams to think you can, but just about everyone else says you can't review sites included. No one that I know has gotten it to work execpt with source engines that use a completly different type of HDR.

Gersson to help us out do you think you could put all of the eye candy on that your xfire rig will do? Also, what mods if any do you have on? Josh is trying to put the same exact ones that he used onto my machine. There are some mods that I just can't run. In example josh has a texture mod that I just can't use with only a 256mb card. This is where owners of the 7900gtx and 7950GX2 will benifit. I want to see just how pretty this game can get.

Correct. The Nvidia Cards 6 and 7 series can't do FP16 HDR+AA (which is basically real HDR and AA). The Source Engine uses Pixel Shaders to apply the HDR to the scene so you can still do AA to it since it isn't truly "real" HDR (although it's still HDR..., you get the point).

Anyway, nice pics. Got to load up Oblivion again. My 7900GT's in SLI are just waiting for somthing challenging (since I only game at 1280x1024 and 2x7900GT's is kinda overkill and Oblivion is one of the few games that stresses the hell out of them.

Sigh, your X1900XTX probably performs better than my 7900GT's in SLI @ 700/1620....

Does oblivion really stress them that much at that resolution? I had it playing at 2048x1536 and it played all right with HDR and 16xAF on my 7800gt@530/1300. That was indoors though when I went outside I could hear my card scream a 'YOU WANT ME TO DO WHAT?!?!' :laugh: I would think a 7900gt SLI setup would be able to handle oblivion at your resolution seeing as it is basicly an overclocked 7950GX2. What frames do you get?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Cabages
You cant do HDR+AA with Nvidia though, can you?

Depends who you ask. Gstanfor seams to think you can, but just about everyone else says you can't review sites included. No one that I know has gotten it to work execpt with source engines that use a completly different type of HDR.

Gersson to help us out do you think you could put all of the eye candy on that your xfire rig will do? Also, what mods if any do you have on? Josh is trying to put the same exact ones that he used onto my machine. There are some mods that I just can't run. In example josh has a texture mod that I just can't use with only a 256mb card. This is where owners of the 7900gtx and 7950GX2 will benifit. I want to see just how pretty this game can get.

Correct. The Nvidia Cards 6 and 7 series can't do FP16 HDR+AA (which is basically real HDR and AA). The Source Engine uses Pixel Shaders to apply the HDR to the scene so you can still do AA to it since it isn't truly "real" HDR (although it's still HDR..., you get the point).

Anyway, nice pics. Got to load up Oblivion again. My 7900GT's in SLI are just waiting for somthing challenging (since I only game at 1280x1024 and 2x7900GT's is kinda overkill and Oblivion is one of the few games that stresses the hell out of them.

Sigh, your X1900XTX probably performs better than my 7900GT's in SLI @ 700/1620....

Are those clocks after voltmods?

Anyways, just to make things clear, redbox and I are not the same account like some believe. He's my brother and we live in the same apartment. He's actually got one of my 7800GT's and I'm going to setup his Oblivion Configurations file exactly like mine. The only thing different between the settings for the game will be his 2048x2048 texturing due to his 256MB memory. I use 4096x4096 since I have 512MB's. Other than that, the only thing that will be different from the two is one will have an Nvidia card and the other will have an ATI card.

 

[Polish3d]

Hey where do you get that 4096 texturing?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Hey where do you get that 4096 texturing?

The actual tweak guide starts here: Link

It's worked great for me.

Just the 4096x4096 LOD texturing is here though: Link

 

[Sc4freak]

I wouldn't really recommend the 4096 texture mod though - 2048 is more than enough. I tried the 4096, in addition to the rest of my texture mods, and while riding around the forest around the Imperial City VRAM usage hovered around ~650mb. Highest I saw it go was 730mb, insane. And this was only at 1280x960, "ultra high" 4xAA + HDR.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Too... Much... Oblivion... Porn...

*Goes to play it.*

 

[warup89]

ah i always had Oblivon but never installed it (yes i hate myself) but now that i seen these kind of quality im very impressed i wonder in my x1800xt pe 512mb (700/800) could handle those setting at a little lower resolutions.

 

[Ackmed]

Wow, more people play with HDR+AA, despite a select few around here saying its useless, and not playable unless on a CF system.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Too... Much... Oblivion... Porn...

*Goes to play it.*

Hey Ulfhednar welcome to AT LMAO at your post.

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Wow, more people play with HDR+AA, despite a select few around here saying its useless, and not playable unless on a CF system.

Ya I would so play with HDR+AA if I could, but I play with HDR because it's so pretty. I use high res to offset the no aa problem. A crossfire set sounds delicious I just want some bloody more fps then this 7800GT is willing to give me. The game is alot of fun right now though.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Wow, more people play with HDR+AA, despite a select few around here saying its useless, and not playable unless on a CF system.

Most people will tell you there is a negligible hit from HDR+AA. Even up to 4x. Its truely amazing -- I'm not sure what voodoo chuck did but I think there are little elves that help make it all happen.

When I was on 1 x1900xt @ 1680x1050 HDR+2xAA 16xHQAF, I got about 25-35 fps outdoors with an average of 30. It ran ok but I like to see smoother frames. Indoors its was always >55 fps.

I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T use HDR+AA with this game. Unless, of course -- you can't

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: warup89
ah i always had Oblivon but never installed it (yes i hate myself) but now that i seen these kind of quality im very impressed i wonder in my x1800xt pe 512mb (700/800) could handle those setting at a little lower resolutions.

I think the x1800xt will be able to handle it very, very well at 1280x1024.

I have a 7800gs which is of course inferior to the x1800xt and I play at 1280x1024 with mid-high settings (though most of the grass effects have been greatly reduced) and I get 30ish fps outside (no AA though).

Since ATI cards seem to handle this particular game much better, I'd assume you'd get at least 20% better performance than what I get at 1280x1024.

On a side note, the game seems to be more CPU intensive than I though at first. After getting an X-Fi (I was on oboard audio) I can report a 5-7 fps increase overall, and as much as 10 in crowded cities like Imperial City, which seems to be more CPU limited with so much going in there, specially during the day.

 

[WT]

I had Oblivion in my hands this weekend at Circuit City, and ended up being $5 short o' cash to buy it ! ARGHHH .... I'm very undecided on what game to pick up (I buy no more than two a year) and this one seems to be a break from my FPS games that are just getting on my nerves lately. I'm so bored I even loaded Dungeon Siege 2 back up on the rig ... *sigh*

Nice pics also .. I think you guys convinced me to give my freshly built dual core rig a workout.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: redbox
Does oblivion really stress them that much at that resolution? I had it playing at 2048x1536 and it played all right with HDR and 16xAF on my 7800gt@530/1300. That was indoors though when I went outside I could hear my card scream a 'YOU WANT ME TO DO WHAT?!?!' :laugh: I would think a 7900gt SLI setup would be able to handle oblivion at your resolution seeing as it is basicly an overclocked 7950GX2. What frames do you get?

and

Originally posted by: josh6079
Are those clocks after voltmods?

Anyways, just to make things clear, redbox and I are not the same account like some believe. He's my brother and we live in the same apartment. He's actually got one of my 7800GT's and I'm going to setup his Oblivion Configurations file exactly like mine. The only thing different between the settings for the game will be his 2048x2048 texturing due to his 256MB memory. I use 4096x4096 since I have 512MB's. Other than that, the only thing that will be different from the two is one will have an Nvidia card and the other will have an ATI card.

@redbox
I'm installing Oblivion right now so I'll get back to you on the fps thing. (since I can't remember too well).

@josh6079
Yes the clocks are after vmod's. (can't see how I can get 700mhz on the core without a vmod) but the vmem is stock volts.

Well, off to see how it runs.

Edit: Alright I ran Oblivion with FRAPS. This is WITHOUT any of the tweaks. The only thing I did was add some 2048x2048 files in the Textures folder. I turned all settings to high (all the way up, Bloom, 4xAA, 16xAF) and got about 30-60fps outside, and 90fps+ inside cites and buildings.

I would say it stresses my card.....in outside places.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: redbox
Does oblivion really stress them that much at that resolution? I had it playing at 2048x1536 and it played all right with HDR and 16xAF on my 7800gt@530/1300. That was indoors though when I went outside I could hear my card scream a 'YOU WANT ME TO DO WHAT?!?!' :laugh: I would think a 7900gt SLI setup would be able to handle oblivion at your resolution seeing as it is basicly an overclocked 7950GX2. What frames do you get?

and

Originally posted by: josh6079
Are those clocks after voltmods?

Anyways, just to make things clear, redbox and I are not the same account like some believe. He's my brother and we live in the same apartment. He's actually got one of my 7800GT's and I'm going to setup his Oblivion Configurations file exactly like mine. The only thing different between the settings for the game will be his 2048x2048 texturing due to his 256MB memory. I use 4096x4096 since I have 512MB's. Other than that, the only thing that will be different from the two is one will have an Nvidia card and the other will have an ATI card.

@redbox
I'm installing Oblivion right now so I'll get back to you on the fps thing. (since I can't remember too well).

@josh6079
Yes the clocks are after vmod's. (can't see how I can get 700mhz on the core without a vmod) but the vmem is stock volts.

Well, off to see how it runs.

Edit: Alright I ran Oblivion with FRAPS. This is WITHOUT any of the tweaks. The only thing I did was add some 2048x2048 files in the Textures folder. I turned all settings to high (all the way up, Bloom, 4xAA, 16xAF) and got about 30-60fps outside, and 90fps+ inside cites and buildings.

I would say it stresses my card.....in outside places.

Hey thanks wizboy! I would say that your rig does better than Josh's x1900xtx I never see him get 60fps outside, and never 90fps+ inside. How does it look with bloom and AA? Is it comparable to HDR at all?

To everyone else...Josh set up the mods so look forward to the screenshots. We did it with everything on high that my card could do: 16xAF, HDR, no AA, 2048x1536, high quality selected in driver and all the mods josh has. We're at work now and well see if we can get them up tonight. If you guys are wanting an apples to apples comparison then we can probably do something with that just tell us what settings you want us to run. Josh is limited to a resolution of 1680x1050 and I am limited to HDR or AA not both, plus texture limit because of video ram.

 

[TheRyuu]

Alright, now that I've taken ALL DAY to apply 1000 different mods and LOD tweaks and finally got around to tweaking my Oblivion.ini file I can FINALLY take the time to see what my fps are AFTER I did all the tweaking.

I saw a drop in fps after I installed all the mods (what a surprise, at least it looks 1000x better). I just ran around outside of the imperial city (the main one in the middle) and looked at the fps counter (FRAPS). It ranged from ~25-60. I would say the average would be somewere between 30-45. Perfectly acceptible to me It's obviously higher inside, but I didn't measure it.

How does HDR compare to bloom+AA? Well, HDR has some nicer lighting effects, but I just can't stand the jaggies. After I applied some of the mods (that also tweak some lighting) I think Bloom looks ALMOST just as nice as HDR. Bloom will never be HDR, but it's pretty dam close to me. But I just can't stand those jaggies so I will probably always use bloom+AA.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Wow, more people play with HDR+AA, despite a select few around here saying its useless, and not playable unless on a CF system.

Most people will tell you there is a negligible hit from HDR+AA. Even up to 4x. Its truely amazing -- I'm not sure what voodoo chuck did but I think there are little elves that help make it all happen.

When I was on 1 x1900xt @ 1680x1050 HDR+2xAA 16xHQAF, I got about 25-35 fps outdoors with an average of 30. It ran ok but I like to see smoother frames. Indoors its was always >55 fps.

I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T use HDR+AA with this game. Unless, of course -- you can't

Yep. There are some people here (ignorant NV fans) who claim its a useless option, because nobody short of a CF system (and even they cant) get playable frames with HDR+AA. Yet people post all the time they play like that.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Wow, more people play with HDR+AA, despite a select few around here saying its useless, and not playable unless on a CF system.

Most people will tell you there is a negligible hit from HDR+AA. Even up to 4x. Its truely amazing -- I'm not sure what voodoo chuck did but I think there are little elves that help make it all happen.

When I was on 1 x1900xt @ 1680x1050 HDR+2xAA 16xHQAF, I got about 25-35 fps outdoors with an average of 30. It ran ok but I like to see smoother frames. Indoors its was always >55 fps.

I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T use HDR+AA with this game. Unless, of course -- you can't

Yep. There are some people here (ignorant NV fans) who claim its a useless option, because nobody short of a CF system (and even they cant) get playable frames with HDR+AA. Yet people post all the time they play like that.

Now, now -- this ain't a Red v Green thread. But you are right about the misconception that there's a huge FPS drop. 1 card was perfectly playable.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: gersson

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Wow, more people play with HDR+AA, despite a select few around here saying its useless, and not playable unless on a CF system.

Most people will tell you there is a negligible hit from HDR+AA. Even up to 4x. Its truely amazing -- I'm not sure what voodoo chuck did but I think there are little elves that help make it all happen.

When I was on 1 x1900xt @ 1680x1050 HDR+2xAA 16xHQAF, I got about 25-35 fps outdoors with an average of 30. It ran ok but I like to see smoother frames. Indoors its was always >55 fps.

I don't know why anyone WOULDN'T use HDR+AA with this game. Unless, of course -- you can't

Yep. There are some people here (ignorant NV fans) who claim its a useless option, because nobody short of a CF system (and even they cant) get playable frames with HDR+AA. Yet people post all the time they play like that.

Now, now -- this ain't a Red v Green thread. But you are right about the misconception that there's a huge FPS drop. 1 card was perfectly playable.

Bah, HDR...Bloom is were it's at (j/k)

If I could build another rig with a X1900 in it I would (but I'm broke). When I bought the 7800GT's for my rig, it was the best option because all you could get at the time was X1800 from ATI and it didn't compare well to the 7800's at the time.

So I basically didn't have a choice when I bought my cards. (and then later stepped up to 7900GT's with evga).

Oh well....back to Oblivion.

 

[redbox]

hey wizboy do you think you could up load some screenshots with your sli rig like I hope gersson is going to do with his xfire setup. Try maxing out every setting also SLI AA with bloom, HDR without AA, AA without HDR or Bloom. I am trying to get a good comparison with the highest IQ in this game with several different platforms. PM Josh with any question about how to do it.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: gersson

Now, now -- this ain't a Red v Green thread. But you are right about the misconception that there's a huge FPS drop. 1 card was perfectly playable.

I never said it was. There are certain ignorant people here, such as crusader, who continue to claim that HDR+AA is not playable, and a useless feature. Threads such as this, prove he is wrong. Not that he would admit to it though.

 

[TraumaRN]

The only thing I dont like about those screenshots and why even if I had an XTX would still use bloom is that the HDR looks so washed out in those pictures....i hate that overexposed look like everything is made of reflective glass...it just doesnt suit my tastes.

I've tried with HDR on AA off and bloom on AA on and liked the bloom better....still plenty bright but no washed out feel, ESPECIALLY in the Ayleid ruins/temples

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
The only thing I dont like about those screenshots and why even if I had an XTX would still use bloom is that the HDR looks so washed out in those pictures....i hate that overexposed look like everything is made of reflective glass...it just doesnt suit my tastes.

I've tried with HDR on AA off and bloom on AA on and liked the bloom better....still plenty bright but no washed out feel, ESPECIALLY in the Ayleid ruins/temples

Ya I don't really notice HDR washout inside more of an oversaturation. This is why I think I will post up some Bloom screenshots also, just to show people the differnce.

 

[TheRyuu]

Took a few pics. I'll have to find some better spots though.
This is with Dual 7900GT's in SLI w/4xAA, 16xAF, TRSS, Gamma AA, and no optimizations

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Sorry if 3 out of the 5 are conversations. Thats what I was doing at the time when I took the screen shot. There really has to be 50 different mods running on that game right now (i'm serious). Some big, some small...with almost all the LOD mods running. It was also getting dark in the game at the time (didn't feel like waiting) so some of the screenshots might be a little dark.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

hmmm. I can see how HQ AF helps for ATI