Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even red states have a large population of Democrats and Independents residing there.
In the end, however, it's just humans helping other humans. Even if all 50 million uninsured people in the US were Republicans, I would have no qualms about sending my tax money to help them get health care.
What if all 50 million were free-loading assholes that can work but dont because they are lazy and would rather get a hand-out from society? Hypothetically speaking, are you still ok with sending them your money?
What if the 50 million were the only ones actually doing anything and the 250 million were Free Loading off them?
Well, if we are talking hypothetically, I'd venture to guess that the 250mil aren't actually freeloading, but there isn't substantial opportunity to get health care. As I find it hard to believe that 83% of America is lazy and freeloaders. I do however think that there is a good chance that 17% of Americans (less when you calculate how many of those illegals counted in the 50mil aren't actually Americans) are lazy freeloaders and those people don't deserve a dime, in my opinion.
My Hypothetical was as ridiculous as yours. Stick to Facts.
Apparently you didn't like me answering your hypothetical and you had just banked on me calling 'bogus' on you? Thats unfortunate, because the whole point of the hypothetical is to get at ideologies. You see, I understand there are a great many people that are in need of health insurance (relatively speaking). I understand there are people who are disabled, mentally ill, have fallen upon very hard times or whatever else the reason is, that are in need of the rest of the society helping them out a little bit. I'm alright with that. The thing is though, a large percentage of these uninsured are uninsured not because they are not capable of getting insurance, but because they have made very poor choices in life and are directly responsible for their own circumstances. I am not in favor of helping those out that are unwilling to help themselves out. If you are lazy, skipped school, showed up late to work, never worked in life to better yourself, but instead F'd around all day and night, doing drugs, drinking, partying or whatever else the situation is and now you've decided you need health insurance. Well to fucking bad. Maybe you should have thought of that when you were living the 'high life'. Same can be said for illegals. To bad, get the hell out. For those few that honestly have tried to get health insurance and cannot, well I feel for you. We need to find a way to help those people out, to address this on an individual basis. But to simply give out handouts to illegals and lazies is simply unacceptable to me.
Sigh. Congrats on being duped. A vast majority of the 50 million uninsured Americans HAVE JOBS. If they didn't and they were on welfare they'd already be covered by Medicaid. Something we already pay for.
You have fallen for the propaganda my friend.
What most people don't understand is that we already pay for those 50 million. We just do it in the most inefficient and expensive way possible.
I don't know how many times I can explain this.
When Sally Mae Trailerpark goes to the hospital and can't pay her bill, the hospital adjusts for the loss by increasing the cost of all procedures.
It happens if she is too lazy to take care of herself,
It happens if she does have insurance but it is just shitty and her claim gets denied,
It happens if she is an illegal working under the table,
It happens if she actually is trying her hardest but she is also paying bills for a sick child,
It happens if she is a free loader and just refuses to take care of herself,
It happens NO MATTER WHAT.
WE ALREADY PAY FOR IT. Just mismanaged.
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