OBama's response to the Zimmerman verdict. WTF?!

[xj0hnx]

You sound like a Ron Paul person. Zimmerman was racially profiling and then stalking a child. He's a racist, no matter what he has done at other times in his past.

You are quite the troll. Stalking a "child"? You are clearly a parody poster, if not then you need to seek serious mental help.

Whatever you say, Rain Man.

Racist. De-assimilated. Ron Paul. Racist. Racist. De-assimilated. Racist. De-assimilated. Gotta watch Wapner. Time for Wapner.

LOL, perfect.

 

[xj0hnx]

Because he's president of the United States and because he's black. And, because of the nation's experience over the Rodney King trial and subsequent riots. This is not too hard to figure out and it does not have to be enshrined in some stupid law for you to understand. The president co-opted this case and prevented it from getting out of control. That's what leaders do. George H.W. Bush did nothing because he thought he was too far removed from this incident even though blacks have a history of rioting after racially-charged incidents. Obama had to have learned from that. More importantly, however, the community where he comes from expected him to be the overall moral leader over this. In the end, everyone wins because blacks have someone that shares their pain and speaks for them. And control is not lost.

WOW, that is some serious delusion going on there.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Damn you're dumb.

Hardly. So anytime a non black person kills a black person, we have to assume it's racially motivated and make it a federal crime? Give me a break!

If and when that happens I'll condemn them, but until then I think we owe him something of a pass on this one. Remember, when Obama made his comments it seemed to many people (including me) that Martin's wrongful death was being covered up by the good ol' boy network. We now know this perception was due entirely to media distortion, but no one outside of the Sanford police knew that at the time.

One of the marks of a good leader is to not jump in half-cocked until you know the facts. Obama reacted like a community organizer, not the president. He has to think of the consequences of his actions. Once the FBI investigation cleared GZ of racial motivation, Obama should have used his position to attempt to calm the situation back then. And he and Holder should back off and stop talking about a DOJ investigation. How will he mollify the black community if the DOJ investigation backs up the FBI report? Obama put himself in a potentially bad situation by making this a federal issue.

This on the other hand is undeniable. Obama as well as so-called black leaders ignore 95% of such deaths and get hysterical about the other 5%, regardless of the truth of individual cases. This serves no one well.

Totally agree. My heart genuinely goes out to the inner city black community. They are served so inadequately by their leaders.

 

[FerrelGeek]

WOW, that is some serious delusion going on there.

And he calls me dumb

 

[xj0hnx]

So then how did Zimmerman remove himself from society.


He lived in a community; was known by the people.
Shopped at the local merchants.
Was know and interacted with the local PD.
supported activities of the community.
Worked with minorities.


Is there a special unknown trigger that indicates he was de-assimilated.?

Rabid's mommy just put his helmet on too tight, he doesn't know what it means, or how to properly use it, but he probably heard it and it's just bouncing around in his empty head.

 

[Yreka]

Because he's president of the United States and because he's black. And, because of the nation's experience over the Rodney King trial and subsequent riots. This is not too hard to figure out and it does not have to be enshrined in some stupid law for you to understand. The president co-opted this case and prevented it from getting out of control. That's what leaders do. George H.W. Bush did nothing because he thought he was too far removed from this incident even though blacks have a history of rioting after racially-charged incidents. Obama had to have learned from that. More importantly, however, the community where he comes from expected him to be the overall moral leader over this. In the end, everyone wins because blacks have someone that shares their pain and speaks for them. And control is not lost.

Focusing on the availability of guns as a cause to our issues with violence is misguided and naive at best. I think its a cop-out deflection by the PoTUS and Democrats so they don't have to discuss the root cause of these issues ( which would almost certainly be unpopular with their "team")

That being said, I do agree with your assessment. I think the Presidents intent behind the comment was to prevent violence related to the verdict. I know my Facebook blew up (the conservative side) with outrage over this, especially the 2nd point related to "gun violence"

Was there a little dig in there to further the gun grabbing agenda ? Sure.. Is Mr O still a little butt-hurt about his last gun related bill getting destroyed ? Probably.. I still feel the overall thrust was to prevent further violence ( something I think both sides want). I read it as an attempt to remind people that there is a forum to address these issues legally without rioting in the streets.

This is something I can appreciate even if I don't agree with the methods proposed to fix the "problem"

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

De-assimilated is someone who has removed himself from American society and culture. A sign of it is racial issues.

what about inner-city, ghetto culture?

 

[woolfe9998]

Again, this is not difficult to understand. This Florida case is political. The countless killings of B on B is not. Those are community, social, and criminal cases, not political. He has done his time (including as a community organizer). He has also spoken out against gun violence and, the most obvious of all, for parents to be better parents. If the president does more than that he will be seen as being the president of only African-American.

Speaking of parents being better parents, my wife and I were walking to the movie theatre yesterday and this young black lady was walking west with 2 kids, a boy around age 4 and a baby girl in a stroller. The boy started to say something and the mother responded "Shut up, bitch". So, again, the issue in the black community has more to do with parenting, something the president has spoken out about. Seeing how his mother talks to him, I doubt if that boy is going to grow into a productive member of society. I wonder where the father was...

Perhaps Obama has played a role, but this case is different from Rodney King. In that case there was a video of police clearly using excessive force. That video was played over and over again and it had an inflammatory impact. While I did not condone the violence, I did understand why they were angry over the acquittal of the officers. In this case, there is no video, and in fact, there is obvious and considerable doubt about what happened here. I tend to think the outrage is less this time around and that may be why we aren't seeing much violence in the protests.

 

[Binarycow]

The president making remarks about a murder trial? What in the freaking world is he doing? For just a minute, everyone please get away from the fact that Zimmerman was found not guilty and think politically. He isn't kissing babies or cleaning up a natural disaster here, he is setting the stage for bias and further racial unrest. The president should never get into small matters like this and should never take sides, especially when it includes race.

That's why I said in an earlier post. He's turned out to be pretty stupid not knowing when to keep his yapper shut.

 

[MrX8503]

"we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken." -Obama

He should have just stopped there. Obama has said a lot of dumb things about this case. He shouldn't be taking sides on a fabricated racial issue.

 

[werepossum]

Hardly. So anytime a non black person kills a black person, we have to assume it's racially motivated and make it a federal crime? Give me a break!

Totally agree. My heart genuinely goes out to the inner city black community. They are served so inadequately by their leaders.

Quite true, although some of these folks did do some pretty impressive back in the day when oppression was real and government-sanctioned.

Perhaps Obama has played a role, but this case is different from Rodney King. In that case there was a video of police clearly using excessive force. That video was played over and over again and it had an inflammatory impact. While I did not condone the violence, I did understand why they were angry over the acquittal of the officers. In this case, there is no video, and in fact, there is obvious and considerable doubt about what happened here. I tend to think the outrage is less this time around and that may be why we aren't seeing much violence in the protests.

I think Obama's behavior as well as the lack of violence stems from the evolution of what we know. At first the mainstream media spun this as the good old boy network covering up the murder of a young black man to protect one of their own. Even the President wouldn't have much way to know the truth until the FBI had had a chance to do an investigation. Most people today know the truth which is not nearly so one-sided. I suspect those still agitating are divided between those who honestly believe it's okay to beat someone for disrespecting you, those who remain largely uneducated about the facts, and those whose ax is always changing the systems, such as the New Black Panthers and the anarchists.

 

[her209]

You cant kill someone for pursuing you. It's perfectly legal to follow someone. Read the law. So yeah Martin would be in prison for murder if he shot GZ for following him.

Yeah I don't think so. Its one thing to tail some body, its another to actively engage in a pursuit which Zimmerman did. What happens if the person you're chasing is trying to evade you and ends up backing themselves into a corner? Do they have a right to stand their ground and defend themselves against you with whatever they may have, fists, knife, gun, etc.?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Following someone is not a crime
Disobeying a 911 operator is not a crime
Confronting someone is not a crime (unless your confrontation is a blow to the head a 'la TM knows all about that)


The court is about solving issues having to do with the law.
The court is NOT about solving issues about people who get emotionally butt-hurt.
The court is NOT about solving issues about people who get morally butt-hurt.

Fin.

 

[MrX8503]

Yeah I don't think so. Its one thing to tail some body, its another to actively engage in a pursuit which Zimmerman did. What happens if the person you're chasing is trying to evade you and ends up backing themselves into a corner? Do they have a right to stand their ground and defend themselves against you with whatever they may have, fists, knife, gun, etc.?

Zimmerman following is not a crime. Martin assaulting Zimmerman is a crime.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I can follow you around all day yelling "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!!"... Unless I start stepping foot into your home uninvited, I haven't broken any laws. You might not like it because Americans are pussies about personal space - take a step in any other country and it's hilarious what Americans experience - but it's still legal.

 

[cubby1223]

Following someone is not a crime
Disobeying a 911 operator is not a crime
Confronting someone is not a crime (unless your confrontation is a blow to the head a 'la TM knows all about that)


The court is about solving issues having to do with the law.
The court is NOT about solving issues about people who get emotionally butt-hurt.
The court is NOT about solving issues about people who get morally butt-hurt.

Fin.

Zimmerman never disobeyed the 911 operator.

This is one of the greatest myths to come out of this case.

The 911 operator told Zimmerman they did not need him to follow Martin. That is not an order. That is not a command. It is not even a suggestion.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Zimmerman never disobeyed the 911 operator.

This is one of the greatest myths to come out of this case.

The 911 operator told Zimmerman they did not need him to follow Martin. That is not an order. That is not a command. It is not even a suggestion.

Don't know. Don't care. I don't care if he/she said "Don't get out of your car" or if they said "Don't follow him". Regardless of if it was a command or not - they hold no authority. Hence, the topic itself is already negated even though it is brought up TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

 

[Munky]

If there's any conclusion to be had from this trial, it's that some kooks want to manufacture racism where it otherwise wouldn't exist. TM attacked GZ, and got what he deserved. Get over it. Just because it shatters your bigoted notions and pretty little lies that black people are all victims of white people isn't an excuse for you to double down on idiocy.

 

[Attic]

"we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken." -Obama

He should have just stopped there. Obama has said a lot of dumb things about this case. He shouldn't be taking sides on a fabricated racial issue.

To be fair even though he didn't stop there, he still said it. I agree he probably should have stopped there to ensure the focus was where it would be most helpful given the tone after the verdict.

Media could have focused on that selected quote as well to indicate legitimacy and respect of the jury decision from that point forward.

 

[soundforbjt]

Don't know. Don't care. I don't care if he/she said "Don't get out of your car" or if they said "Don't follow him". Regardless of if it was a command or not - they hold no authority. Hence, the topic itself is already negated even though it is brought up TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Actually you're wrong & right, a 911 operator has no authority, but a NEN call (which is who GZ called) usually goes to an actual officer and they do have authority.

 

[NesuD]

Zimmerman was completely de-assimilated from American society as a whole. Zimmerman was a fat wannabe cop who attacked other cops probably out of obese jealousy and had domestic violence issues, obviously had severe racial issues that strongly contribute to his de-assimilation, etc.

De-assimilated American men should never be allowed near a gun.

The mental instability is strong in this one.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Actually you're wrong & right, a 911 operator has no authority, but a NEN call (which is who GZ called) usually goes to an actual officer and they do have authority.

Not sure what a NEN is - but it sure sounded like the typical 911 operator and not an officer in GZ case.

In either case, I wouldn't know the legalities of of an officer telling someone to do actions over the phone being legal either. It's not like an officer can prove (show their badge) over the phone.

 

[FerrelGeek]

If there's any conclusion to be had from this trial, it's that some kooks want to manufacture racism where it otherwise wouldn't exist. TM attacked GZ, and got what he deserved. Get over it. Just because it shatters your bigoted notions and pretty little lies that black people are all victims of white people isn't an excuse for you to double down on idiocy.

Saw this on FB...

Only in Obama's America can a brown man shoot a black man and the white man gets blamed.

 

[soundforbjt]

Not sure what a NEN is - but it sure sounded like the typical 911 operator and not an officer in GZ case.

In either case, I wouldn't know the legalities of of an officer telling someone to do actions over the phone being legal either. It's not like an officer can prove (show their badge) over the phone.

NEN means non emergency number.

 

[Attic]

Zimmerman never disobeyed the 911 operator.

This is one of the greatest myths to come out of this case.

The 911 operator told Zimmerman they did not need him to follow Martin. That is not an order. That is not a command. It is not even a suggestion.

Beyond that it is likely GZ did stop following and begin to head back to his car after the 911 operator told him "we don't need you to do that" after asking "are you following him?". GZ did say, "Ok" following that operators famous words. We also know professionals involved have attested to GZ's honesty in his recollection of what occurred.

Of course before the 911 said "we don't need you to do that" the operater had previously asked, "he's running, which way is he running?" and "what entrance is that he's [TM] heading towards?". It's understandable GZ decided to answer those questions by physically moving to provide an answer, the context of follow was important because it wasn't malicious in nature, it was discovery, and clearly the 911 conversation shows that.