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Originally posted by: quackerww
Obama's health plan caused my rates to double.
Next year I have to pay $40 from $19
My mother has to pay $230 from $130

We are on different providers.
Thanks Obama.

You just allowed the insurgence industry to price gouge.
Either pass this bill or stop fucking around.

What does any of this have to do with Obama's public option plan?

If anything you should begin screaming for real socialized medicine so that we can stop spending 17% of our GDP on health care (while leaving tens of millions of Americans uninsured or under-insured with the rest living in sheer terror of losing their jobs and insurance while also having large numbers of medical bankruptcies and businesses burdened by insurance issues).
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: quackerww
Obama's health plan caused my rates to double.
Next year I have to pay $40 from $19
My mother has to pay $230 from $130

We are on different providers.
Thanks Obama.

You just allowed the insurgence industry to price gouge.
Either pass this bill or stop fucking around.

What does any of this have to do with Obama's public option plan?

If anything you should begin screaming for real socialized medicine so that we can stop spending 17% of our GDP on health care (while leaving tens of millions of Americans uninsured or under-insured with the rest living in sheer terror of losing their jobs and insurance while also having large numbers of medical bankruptcies and businesses burdened by insurance issues).

There are around 13 million americans that can't get health insurance, so let's take care of them. So just stop it with the 10s of millions of americans. It's a LIE. YOU LIE!

Losing your job doesn't not mean you can't get health isurance - COBRA! Plus ARRA! Plus YOU CAN ALWAYS GET YOUR OWN INSURANCE or another job YOU FUCKING LAZY FUCKS!!!!!

Bankruptcy is to PROTECT YOU, not harm you. You LIE!

Basically, YOU LIE and you are harming our country with your beliefs and misinformation.
 

Mr. Lennon

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.
Couldn't you have broke it to them a little easier?

Wait until the young folks find out to what degree they're subsidizing the old folks. This is going to be great!!

Sadly the young folks are going to have a "wait...what!?" moment. This isn't what dear leader sold us! This sucks!

Yeah I'll be so mad...:roll:

Us young folks will stay young and healthy forever...we will never become old and have to deal with bigger health problems later in our lives. Never ever.

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: quackerww
Next year I have to pay $40 from $19
My mother has to pay $230 from $130
What do you think "for-profit" health care insurance is about?

If they don't increase profits quarter-after-quarter, the fat cats in Wall Street get mad.
 
Oct 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: quackerww
Obama's health plan caused my rates to double.
Next year I have to pay $40 from $19
My mother has to pay $230 from $130

We are on different providers.
Thanks Obama.

You just allowed the insurgence industry to price gouge.
Either pass this bill or stop fucking around.

What does any of this have to do with Obama's public option plan?

If anything you should begin screaming for real socialized medicine so that we can stop spending 17% of our GDP on health care (while leaving tens of millions of Americans uninsured or under-insured with the rest living in sheer terror of losing their jobs and insurance while also having large numbers of medical bankruptcies and businesses burdened by insurance issues).

There are around 13 million americans that can't get health insurance, so let's take care of them. So just stop it with the 10s of millions of americans. It's a LIE. YOU LIE!

Losing your job doesn't not mean you can't get health isurance - COBRA! Plus ARRA! Plus YOU CAN ALWAYS GET YOUR OWN INSURANCE or another job YOU FUCKING LAZY FUCKS!!!!!

Bankruptcy is to PROTECT YOU, not harm you. You LIE!

Basically, YOU LIE and you are harming our country with your beliefs and misinformation.

You've been refuted numerous times in these regards on this forum. People even went looking for these mythological inexpensive health insurance plans and were unable to find them; I think there was an entire thread about it.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: quackerww
Obama's health plan caused my rates to double.
Next year I have to pay $40 from $19
My mother has to pay $230 from $130

We are on different providers.
Thanks Obama.

You just allowed the insurgence industry to price gouge.
Either pass this bill or stop fucking around.

What does any of this have to do with Obama's public option plan?

If anything you should begin screaming for real socialized medicine so that we can stop spending 17% of our GDP on health care (while leaving tens of millions of Americans uninsured or under-insured with the rest living in sheer terror of losing their jobs and insurance while also having large numbers of medical bankruptcies and businesses burdened by insurance issues).

There are around 13 million americans that can't get health insurance, so let's take care of them. So just stop it with the 10s of millions of americans. It's a LIE. YOU LIE!

Losing your job doesn't not mean you can't get health isurance - COBRA! Plus ARRA! Plus YOU CAN ALWAYS GET YOUR OWN INSURANCE or another job YOU FUCKING LAZY FUCKS!!!!!

Bankruptcy is to PROTECT YOU, not harm you. You LIE!

Basically, YOU LIE and you are harming our country with your beliefs and misinformation.

It's easy to lob vitriol when mommy and daddy pay all your bills. Get out to the real world and see what those options are worth (hint jack shit).

COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.
 

Athena

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Basically, YOU LIE and you are harming our country with your beliefs and misinformation.
That pretty much describes your posts here.

The problem with our current health financing is not that 46 million are uninsured and (and 25 million are uninsured without realizing it); the uninsured are only one symptom of a dysfunctional health care financing system. By defining the problem as "the uninsured", the industry and politicians have framed the issue so that the "solution" is yet more dysfunctional insurance-- even though, the insurance industry has demonstrated time after time that it cannot actually address the real problem. The problem we need to solve is that our current patchwork of insurance programs is bankrupting the country -- not just an insignificant minority people but the entire country.

The insured bankrupts, 60% of whom cited medical debt as a preciptating factor in their filing, are just the tip of the iceberg. Municipalities and states all over the country are drowning in unfunded debt to pay for government employee insurance and 20% of the federal budget is being spent on care. In fact 46¢ of every dollar spent on healthcare in this country is spent by some level of government.

We do not need more health insurance in this country -- we need better access to treatment when it is needed in a mode that will continue bankrupt families and the country. It's a matter for everyone, not just the minority who are uninsured. The current model is crushing businesses and depriving the country of investment in other badly needed sectors. Every other industrialized country has realized that national security is more than just a defense budget, it includes the physical and financial security of the country. It's time for the US to do the same.
 

Nemesis 1

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Yep I just recieved a letter ordering me to a medicaial exam . Its seems they don't think I can take care of myself . Glad this thread is here. Wife and me talked it over and she is agreeingto my will . I won't go for the exam and We are filing for divorce today . I have moved everthing I have into My families accounts . As for the Gold thats not a problem . She knows were its at now . So the government wants me in a rest home so they can steal my everthing we have . Not happening . Its great friendly divories there fast. No lawyers as I want nothing
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.
 

cganesh75

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Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

really? i paid $1300 per month for my family with cobra couple of years ago for 6 months...COBRA is expensive.. and also expires in 18 months..
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

1. Your full of shit.
2. Your full of shit.
3. Your employees pay a proportion as well, probably something like 200 or so dollars in pre-tax dollars.
4. COBRA forces you pay to all of the premiums, the employer pays nothing. So that adds up to about 800 bucks per person. Note, this is for a single person, as you add family members, the number increases.
 

sportage

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Not to change subject, but this is a healthcare post... so...

It occurs to me, this healthcare thing is just "that", but more.
We are going to find out for sure, bottom line, final say so, whether or not the
citizens run the country, this good old U S of A, or whether if it is in fact
totally corporation owned and operated.

What Im saying is that, for a long long time people have been wondering, asking, if "we the people" run the show, or if in reality there is no longer such a thing as "we the people" influence in decision making. Yes, we get to vote, but so what? Do the people run the country, or is it actually CITI Bank, CHASE, AIG and CIGNA.

Does it really matter if 60+ % of "we the people" want such things as "the public option", or if "we the people" want some say-so in giving wall street billions in bailouts?
Does it matter what we want??? To anyone???

Or... in fact is congress, the president (whom ever he or she is), just going to keep putting the corporations first before the wants of the citizens?
Not only putting them first, but giving them the only seat at the table?

If 60+ % of the citizens want a public option in healthcare reform, and the law makers ignore, or simply refuse to address what the people want in the end, then I have to ask... what the hell is really going on in this country?

When lawmakers totally ignore what the people want, the majority, the citizens, then to me it becomes clear that we citizens are really just invisible.
The lawmakers, from the president down, are only going to do the bidding of the wall street executives and the CEO's of our most powerful corporations.

So... where does that leave us?

Yes we can cast a vote every election cycle, but so what? Just to make ourselves feel good and fuzzy inside? Feel like we are really taking part? Doing something?

There is no reason a public option should not be included in reform, if the majority of our people want such an option. And there is no reason to give billions of tax payer dollars in bailouts, if the people do not support that.

When lawmakers will "not" (include a public option), and when lawmakers "will" (hand out billions in tax payer dollars) regardless, then what power if any do we pull as to what happens in America?

We thought something "not good" was going on when the bailouts happened.
Next we will see this healthcare reform bill pass giving everything to the insurance industry, and nothing as to what the majority of "we the people" wanted.

When that takes place, this abortion they (the lawmakers) in the end will call "healthcare reform". The reform the president will happily sign into law. The reform with no public option and still leaving millions uninsured.
When that takes place you will know who is really running the country.
And you will also know once and for all, who is not running the country. YOU!

This is a test... The test of all tests. Possibility the final test.
And afterwards??? We will all know.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Yep I just recieved a letter ordering me to a medicaial exam . Its seems they don't think I can take care of myself . Glad this thread is here. Wife and me talked it over and she is agreeingto my will . I won't go for the exam and We are filing for divorce today . I have moved everthing I have into My families accounts . As for the Gold thats not a problem . She knows were its at now . So the government wants me in a rest home so they can steal my everthing we have . Not happening . Its great friendly divories there fast. No lawyers as I want nothing

Yeah, weird and sinister how the government (aka your family or insurance company) would want a completely sane individual like yourself to get your brain tested.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Yep I just recieved a letter ordering me to a medicaial exam . Its seems they don't think I can take care of myself . Glad this thread is here. Wife and me talked it over and she is agreeingto my will . I won't go for the exam and We are filing for divorce today . I have moved everthing I have into My families accounts . As for the Gold thats not a problem . She knows were its at now . So the government wants me in a rest home so they can steal my everthing we have . Not happening . Its great friendly divories there fast. No lawyers as I want nothing

Take an extra 30 seconds, use correct punctuation, spelling, and correct grammar. Your posts are an unreadable mess and it makes you look simple.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

You've been refuted numerous times in these regards on this forum. People even went looking for these mythological inexpensive health insurance plans and were unable to find them; I think there was an entire thread about it.

There was a thread about it and people posted links to all kinds of affordable plans. Cobra may be expensive but there is already legislation passed to make it much more affordable (ARRA). You can always buy your own insurance and if you lost your job you should have some substantial savings you can live off of and provide for yourself, like getting insurance. If you don't have those savings and cry "but I can't afford it", then you were living beyond your means/pay check to check and that's still your own damn fault. Stop trying to steal my tax dollars to take care of people who make poor decisions with their lifes, they can deal with the consequences. Freedom means you have responsibility.

So just stop the lies that people don't have access to health insurance, they do. There is that 13 million number that truly don't have access to insurance and we can do something to remedy that. But don't screw up the whole country just trying to take care of a small number of people.
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

1. Your full of shit.
2. Your full of shit.
3. Your employees pay a proportion as well, probably something like 200 or so dollars in pre-tax dollars.
4. COBRA forces you pay to all of the premiums, the employer pays nothing. So that adds up to about 800 bucks per person. Note, this is for a single person, as you add family members, the number increases.

I am talking about what the ex employee pays. Here is a section of a COBRA document an ex employee brought in when they wanted to exactly what was covered.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_jNYRNQk8...Ni8LQII/s800/photo.png

Who is full of shit?

(link fixed)
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

1. Your full of shit.
2. Your full of shit.
3. Your employees pay a proportion as well, probably something like 200 or so dollars in pre-tax dollars.
4. COBRA forces you pay to all of the premiums, the employer pays nothing. So that adds up to about 800 bucks per person. Note, this is for a single person, as you add family members, the number increases.

Now he would have us believe that despite having been in middle school math competitions a few years back, he now has employees. Will this kid's delusions of grandeur ever be realized down there? Stay tuned...

Mine was just short of $1500 for the family when I had a 1 month lapse switching hospitals last year. Not at all something most families can absorb every month.
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

1. Your full of shit.
2. Your full of shit.
3. Your employees pay a proportion as well, probably something like 200 or so dollars in pre-tax dollars.
4. COBRA forces you pay to all of the premiums, the employer pays nothing. So that adds up to about 800 bucks per person. Note, this is for a single person, as you add family members, the number increases.

Now he would have us believe that despite having been in middle school math competitions a few years back, he now has employees. Will this kid's delusions of grandeur ever be realized down there? Stay tuned...

Mine was just short of $1500 for the family when I had a 1 month lapse switching hospitals last year. Not at all something most families can absorb every month.

I posted proof. Scan your document and post it on the web to back up your claim.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Patranus
COBRA is very affordable.

lol

http://www.npr.org/templates/s...y.php?storyId=99973267

Only 10% of Americans eligible for COBRA insurance in 2006 used it, many because they were unable to afford to pay the full premium after their job loss.

I don't think you know what ARRA is. Try to stay in the current year, mm'kay?

Because the solutions talked about in your article are exactly what it did.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Patranus
COBRA is very affordable.

lol

http://www.npr.org/templates/s...y.php?storyId=99973267

Only 10% of Americans eligible for COBRA insurance in 2006 used it, many because they were unable to afford to pay the full premium after their job loss.

I don't think you know what ARRA is. Try to stay in the current year, mm'kay?

Because the solutions talked about in your article are exactly what it did.

The ARRA amendment subsidizes coverage for only 9 months. Additionally, if you are unemployed COBRA will eat up your unemployment check. Further, the stimulus bill as applied to this year has no bearing on the fact that COBRA has historically always been prohibitively expensive which is why less than a quarter of those laid off ever took advantage of it.

 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: jonks

The ARRA amendment subsidizes coverage for only 9 months. Additionally, if you are unemployed COBRA will eat up your unemployment check. Further, the stimulus bill as applied to this year has no bearing on the fact that COBRA has historically always been prohibitively expensive which is why less than a quarter of those laid off ever took advantage of it.

Or they hopped on their spouses plan, more likely. That's a qualifying life event and would allow the spouse to change their insurance coverage (and benefits at work if that's where they got insurance). Basically the doom and gloom argument doesn't hold any water because there are a large number of ways for one to get insurance should they lose their job.

1) Buy your own, affordable plans are available
2) COBRA with ARRA, affordable
3) Change to spouse's insurance if they work, affordable
4) Medicaid or other state programs, affordable or free
5) Choose not to have health insurance, affordable but incredible dumb as you'll have a lapse in coverage

All are available and allow you to take responsibility for your insurance. Personal responsibility - the devil to libtards.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

1. Your full of shit.
2. Your full of shit.
3. Your employees pay a proportion as well, probably something like 200 or so dollars in pre-tax dollars.
4. COBRA forces you pay to all of the premiums, the employer pays nothing. So that adds up to about 800 bucks per person. Note, this is for a single person, as you add family members, the number increases.

I am talking about what the ex employee pays. Here is a section of a COBRA document an ex employee brought in when they wanted to exactly what was covered.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_jNYRNQk8...Ni8LQII/s800/photo.png

Who is full of shit?

(link fixed)

You still don't understand how COBRA works.

COBRA allows you to keep your employer's healthcare but the employer pays zero dollars towards it. So you end up eating the employer's input and your own. It's definitely not affordable for people, especially when you have just lost a job and collecting unemployment.

So yea, you are full of fail.
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
COBRA is ridiculously expensive, I know because my parents were on it about 8 years ago when my mom got laid off; my dad ran a small business at the time. It ended up being close to 1300 bucks a month for all 4 of us.

Bullshit. COBRA is very affordable.
A "Cadillac" plan from Kaiser Permanente with prescription coverage, ZERO co-pays, vision, dental cost my former employees $560 per month.

1. Your full of shit.
2. Your full of shit.
3. Your employees pay a proportion as well, probably something like 200 or so dollars in pre-tax dollars.
4. COBRA forces you pay to all of the premiums, the employer pays nothing. So that adds up to about 800 bucks per person. Note, this is for a single person, as you add family members, the number increases.

I am talking about what the ex employee pays. Here is a section of a COBRA document an ex employee brought in when they wanted to exactly what was covered.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_jNYRNQk8...Ni8LQII/s800/photo.png

Who is full of shit?

(link fixed)

You still don't understand how COBRA works.

COBRA allows you to keep your employer's healthcare but the employer pays zero dollars towards it. So you end up eating the employer's input and your own. It's definitely not affordable for people, especially when you have just lost a job and collecting unemployment.

So yea, you are full of fail.

Huh?

That link is of what a WORKER got in the mail. You FAILED to read my post.

I provided EVIDENCE that COBRA payments for FULL coverage INCLUDING prescription, vision, and dental is WELL BELOW the $1000 that was made up by the other poster.

Not only that but this doesn't include the money for COBRA under the stimulus so it is even less - well 60% less - than what I posted.

Sorry you don't have any EVIDENCE to support your CLAIM.

So lets see, 40% of $600 (I will round UP for you) is $240

Now Unemployment in California is roughly $950 every other week so $1900/month.

$240/$1900 = 12% IE VERY affordable.