Obama's health plan caused my rates to double.

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Ausm
How can you say your rates have raised when the bill is nowhere near the final version?

I would like to see this one answered.

Ditto...

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Ausm
How can you say your rates have raised when the bill is nowhere near the final version?

heh

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Couldn't you have broke it to them a little easier?

Wait until the young folks find out to what degree they're subsidizing the old folks. This is going to be great!!

Sadly the young folks are going to have a "wait...what!?" moment. This isn't what dear leader sold us! This sucks!

we already pay social security and medicare. Guess what, we'll be old someday too.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

 

[Budmantom]

Well....... at least we still have all the jobs that Obama saved or created or imagined.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

Unfortunately for all of us the Left's solution to one person's crisis is to take something away from someone else to pay for a vote. The Dems are not going to solve this issue they will only make it worse because none of them are interested in true reform.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

:thumbsup:

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

Unfortunately for all of us the Left's solution to one person's crisis is to take something away from someone else to pay for a vote. The Dems are not going to solve this issue they will only make it worse because none of them are interested in true reform.

That's not the left's solution, that's how taxes work. Or is that only OK when tax dollars go to KBR contracts?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

A person, or a small group of people in crisis does not make it is crisis for the country. Using that logic, we're ALWAYS in crisis. More people die in this country every year from drunk driving than lack of medical attention and I dont hear anyone yelling CRISIS about that.

Dont be so fucking dramatic.

 

[soundforbjt]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: quackerww
Obama's health plan caused my rates to double.

Maybe you have double the coverage

You can't have double the coverage, they will call it a Cadillac plan if you do and tax it even more.

Stupidest thing I ever heard, you can't buy all the insurance you want, just what they determine you need.

Someone's never heard of Lloyd's of London.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

A person, or a small group of people in crisis does not make it is crisis for the country. Using that logic, we're ALWAYS in crisis. More people die in this country every year from drunk driving than lack of medical attention and I dont hear anyone yelling CRISIS about that.

Dont be so fucking dramatic.

No, they don't.

http://www.madd.org/about-us/about-us/statistics.aspx

In 2008, an estimated 11,773 people died in drunk driving crashes involving a driver with an illegal BAC (.08 or greater). These deaths constitute 31.6 percent of the 37,261 total traffic fatalities in 2008. (Source: NHTSA, 2009)

http://www.reuters.com/article.../idUSTRE58G6W520090917

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Don't be so fucking wrong.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

A person, or a small group of people in crisis does not make it is crisis for the country. Using that logic, we're ALWAYS in crisis. More people die in this country every year from drunk driving than lack of medical attention and I dont hear anyone yelling CRISIS about that.

Dont be so fucking dramatic.

No, they don't.

http://www.madd.org/about-us/about-us/statistics.aspx

In 2008, an estimated 11,773 people died in drunk driving crashes involving a driver with an illegal BAC (.08 or greater). These deaths constitute 31.6 percent of the 37,261 total traffic fatalities in 2008. (Source: NHTSA, 2009)

http://www.reuters.com/article.../idUSTRE58G6W520090917

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Don't be so fucking wrong.

heh...ok fine we'll use your numbers. 1.7% of the deaths in the USA every year are from lack of health care insurance. Hardly a crisis.

Dont be so dramatic.

edit: using the Harvard numbers, more people die every year from flu. Or Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis...and no one even fucking knows what that is lol

 

[classy]

How is your rates doubling Obama's fault? Did I miss something like a bill being passed and signed by him?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

A person, or a small group of people in crisis does not make it is crisis for the country. Using that logic, we're ALWAYS in crisis. More people die in this country every year from drunk driving than lack of medical attention and I dont hear anyone yelling CRISIS about that.

Dont be so fucking dramatic.

No, they don't.

http://www.madd.org/about-us/about-us/statistics.aspx

In 2008, an estimated 11,773 people died in drunk driving crashes involving a driver with an illegal BAC (.08 or greater). These deaths constitute 31.6 percent of the 37,261 total traffic fatalities in 2008. (Source: NHTSA, 2009)

http://www.reuters.com/article.../idUSTRE58G6W520090917

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Don't be so fucking wrong.

heh...ok fine we'll use your numbers. 1.7% of the deaths in the USA every year are from lack of health care insurance. Hardly a crisis.

Dont be so dramatic.

edit: using the Harvard numbers, more people die every year from flu. Or Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis...and no one even fucking knows what that is lol

Why are you guys arguing terminology? 45,000 people dying per year, and a lot more faced with a lifetime of preventable medical issues, is something we probably should do something about, even if it doesn't fit your definition of "crisis" exactly.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

Unfortunately for all of us the Left's solution to one person's crisis is to take something away from someone else to pay for a vote. The Dems are not going to solve this issue they will only make it worse because none of them are interested in true reform.

And unfortunately for all of us, the right HAS no solution to the problem. You can talk about "true reform" all you want, but until someone starts throwing around some specific ideas that sound better, I think I'll stick with the folks that have an actual plan.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

Unfortunately for all of us the Left's solution to one person's crisis is to take something away from someone else to pay for a vote. The Dems are not going to solve this issue they will only make it worse because none of them are interested in true reform.

And unfortunately for all of us, the right HAS no solution to the problem. You can talk about "true reform" all you want, but until someone starts throwing around some specific ideas that sound better, I think I'll stick with the folks that have an actual plan.

There are several GOP sponsored bills on the floor. Of course, they wont make it past commitee, but theyre there (partisan politics ~by both sides~ FTL). About a month ago there were 32 GOP sponsored bills floating around, but that has probably changed by now. So you may want to amend your statement to "I think I'll stick with the folks that have a majority and is getting the most attention"

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
And unfortunately for all of us, the right HAS no solution to the problem. You can talk about "true reform" all you want, but until someone starts throwing around some specific ideas that sound better, I think I'll stick with the folks that have an actual plan.

I really thought you were smarter than this but I guess you are just the typical liveral...any bill is better than nothing? So you don't care what their plan is as long as they have one? This bill is a turd, if you don't think so then you need some more education and experience in life.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Rainsford
And unfortunately for all of us, the right HAS no solution to the problem. You can talk about "true reform" all you want, but until someone starts throwing around some specific ideas that sound better, I think I'll stick with the folks that have an actual plan.

I really thought you were smarter than this but I guess you are just the typical liveral...any bill is better than nothing? So you don't care what their plan is as long as they have one? This bill is a turd, if you don't think so then you need some more education and experience in life.

which bill are you referring to?

how is it a turd?

 

[Farang]

Your health insurance goes up 20 bucks and you start a thread.. really? Welcome to the real world pal

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: spidey07
Wait till they ram this through. It's going to be even more expensive.

Fear!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!!

Obama and the Dems are the ones using fear and scare tactics. Haven't you heard, we're in crisis!

what would you call the current situation?

It is absolutely NOT a crisis. Major issue, yes, Crisis? Hardly.

You might feel differently if you were one of the tens of thousands staring down death and/or bankruptcy because you can't get health insurance. Crisis.

Unfortunately for all of us the Left's solution to one person's crisis is to take something away from someone else to pay for a vote. The Dems are not going to solve this issue they will only make it worse because none of them are interested in true reform.

And unfortunately for all of us, the right HAS no solution to the problem. You can talk about "true reform" all you want, but until someone starts throwing around some specific ideas that sound better, I think I'll stick with the folks that have an actual plan.

I'll stick with the free market that started with nothing but trading chickens for a doctors visit, and turned it into the best health care the world has ever seen.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

I'll stick with the free market that started with nothing but trading chickens for a doctors visit, and turned it into the best health care the world has ever seen.

A fucking Men.

And I love how ignorant people say ideas or bills from Repubs haven't been put forward. It's complete denial of facts on their part. When one says this you can immediately put them in the "fucking stupid, misinformed or deliberately ignorant" category. I expect more from Rainsford, but sadly he belongs in this category.

The patient's choice act is the easiest example to squash anybody that believes the right don't offer solutions, ideas and legislation to fix this "crisis". One can also look at amendments to the house and senate bills proposed by repubs to see even more of the incredible ideas being put forward. To say that repubs don't have a plan, have not put ideas, bills and action forward is to admit to being totally uninformed or just plain ignorant of the issue.
http://www.house.gov/ryan/PCA/

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

What's a complete denial of fact is a) the current system is anything resembling a free market and b) it's working.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
What's a complete denial of fact is a) the current system is anything resembling a free market and b) it's working.

The overwhelming majority of people like their health insurance. What's your problem? It IS working. Just needs minor adjustments which have been proposed by the smart republicans.