Obamacare round 2 amazingly scheduled for after election

[etrigan420]

That's a bit harsh, but I have long wondered the same thing. In my circle of friends (admittedly a very small sample size vs. the US population), the only friend I know that feels screwed over was, in my opinion, paying almost nothing to start with because they went from an employer covering almost all of it to an employer covering almost none of it. He also had a kid in the meantime and had to move from single to family coverage.

Everyone else I have talked to (including me) is paying 80-ish / month single / double that for family, about the same as always. For essentially the same coverage, limits, and co-pays as always.

Is anyone really getting screwed, or just finally catching up to the rest of us?

I was only responding to idiocy in kind. ()

I pay an insanely low amount for health insurance, and I'd probably complain if my costs went up as exponentially as rg's appear to be...

The problem is that he purports to know where the reasoning behind the increase lies, despite evidence to the contrary.

"My costs went up? ... Thanks Obama!"

Whereas my (and apparently more than a few others) costs stayed relatively flat, not to mention the fact that millions of other Americans are now covered... Sooooo, thanks Obama...I guess?

 

[DominionSeraph]

No need to convince anyone. It is. The only question is how long it will take everyone to recognize it.

Like recognizing that the Earth is flat, 6000 years old, and that an itinerant preacher who was killed for rabble-rousing 2000 years ago is going to come back to life any day now?

 

[Abwx]

You'd never get doctors in the U.S. to work for what they're paid in France.
The AMA also severely limits the amount of doctors here to keep their wages high and competition low.

Quite possible, here a private generalist doctor, the kind wich is here only for basic things, earn on average 70k€/year with large disparities between urban and countryside practicers, specialists are at about 110K€ net income.

Also there s a big difference in the education system, here a medecine student pay only 200 euros/year for scolarship and healthcare insurance during the 4 first years and only 20€ if he s of a low income family, from 5 to 7 years he partly work in hospitals and is payed from 1500 to 3000€/month depending of the year, specialists are required to study two more years with the latter salary, when they enter their professional carreers they have no debts like in the US, that s quite a difference, the numbers are for Strasbourg University, where i studied, and wich is ranked 95 in the world, but in principle all universities have about the same rules scolarship cost wise.

 

[Bitek]

Any lame excuse is a good excuse,,, right?

In January I cut my leg with a chainsaw. It was a 3 inch long gash and was about a 1/4 inch deep.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2364606

@45 minutes in the ER
11 staples
Couple of Lidocain shots
Tetanus shot

Grand total was something like $1,500. There are numerous stories out there of simple trips to the er costing thousands of dollars.

Just keep spreading that lie that innovation is driving healthcare cost.

Jesus Christ, get some proper PPE. I bet you don't wear ear protection either. You are lucky it wasn't worse. Guarantee the nurses were shaking their heads at your story.
$150 for a pro level kit is much better then cutting limbs off.


http://www.amazon.com/Husqvarna-531307180-Protective-Powerkit-Professional/dp/B004FR0E1E/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1413547053&sr=8-6&keywords=chainsaw+chaps

 

[Texashiker]

Jesus Christ, get some proper PPE. I bet you don't wear ear protection either.

Hell no I do not wear ear protection.

Guarantee the nurses were shaking their heads at your story.

This is a rural area. The emergency room is used to seeing these kinds of injuries.

 

[Texashiker]

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My biggest gripe with ACA is that it has, until now, served mostly to strengthen their hand. Or, rather, the pressure to be competitive was never locked into the insurer side (bear in mind--rate of increase year to year hasn't really gotten worse one bit before or after ACA--it's just political employers shoving their brainless tomdickery down their employees throats and blaming the "ebul Muslim Man in the White House" for their suddenly lower paychecks)

Thank you for the reply.

For the most part you are correct.

Like recognizing that the Earth is flat, 6000 years old, and that an itinerant preacher who was killed for rabble-rousing 2000 years ago is going to come back to life any day now?

Share with us how much you pay for health insurance.

If I remember right you stated awhile back you were single? So your cost should be almost zero?

Get married, have some kids, then lets see how much you are paying.

 

[IronWing]

So the rightwingers are butthurt that a rightwing health insurance scheme is failing?

Told you so.

Are you ready for a single payer system yet?

 

[Texashiker]

Are you ready for a single payer system yet?

Hell yes, I have been ready for 20+ years.

Please give me socialized health care, because I can not afford capitalist healthcare.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Hell no I do not wear ear protection.

This is a rural area. The emergency room is used to seeing these kinds of injuries.

So what's you're saying is you're just another brain dead rural person who is not smart enough to take the proper safety precautions to protect themselves. Something tells me your lack of concern for safety would result in you not being a tug boat very long provided they hire you. If you went back to welding and worked in a plant it wouldn't take long for you to be barred for not wearing the proper PPE for the job.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Are you ready for a single payer system yet?

Why the hell do you want politicians who can't even figure out how Ebola works telling your doctor what he or she can't do? Have you seen the political mess in DC going on over that, which has 0.0001% the impact or complexity of what you will have? Single payer defaults to government control by these people and it will be the single most complex task to undertake that the US or perhaps the world has ever done. Manhattan, Apollo, Iraq? Absolute childsplay by comparison. I submit let's try them out with something easy first. How about the complete elimination of terrorism threats against the US while simultaneously preserving our Constitutional rights, and creative reinterpretation of those rights does not qualify. Let's start easy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hell yes, I have been ready for 20+ years.

Please give me socialized health care, because I can not afford capitalist healthcare.

I hope you are thrilled with how politicians and government are doing with intelligent debate in DC. Like I said that's absolutely insignificant and so elementary by comparison that they should have gotten everything settled in less than an hour. How's that working out?

 

[IronWing]

Why the hell do you want politicians who can't even figure out how Ebola works telling your doctor what he or she can't do? Have you seen the political mess in DC going on over that, which has 0.0001% the impact or complexity of what you will have? Single payer defaults to government control by these people and it will be the single most complex task to undertake that the US or perhaps the world has ever done. Manhattan, Apollo, Iraq? Absolute childsplay by comparison. I submit let's try them out with something easy first. How about the complete elimination of terrorism threats against the US while simultaneously preserving our Constitutional rights, and creative reinterpretation of those rights does not qualify. Let's start easy.

The government is fully capable of handling the issue if we stop electing hate-filled rightwing nutjobs hellbent on sabotaging our country. When we elect folks who have a stated intent of making sure that government won't work then of course government doesn't work.

 

[chucky2]

The problem with that is electing 'the other party', which in your example is a party that has jizz down the leg thoughts of people buying Pepsi and Cheetos with their Links cards. Another party I'd rather not see setup single payer...

 

[rudeguy]

So the rightwingers are butthurt that a rightwing health insurance scheme is failing?

Told you so.

Are you ready for a single payer system yet?

You are so right!

Wait..I'm trying to remember. How many right wingers voted for it?

 

[IronWing]

You are so right!

Wait..I'm trying to remember. How many right wingers voted for it?

The Heritage Foundation wrote it, McCain advocated it, the Dems passed it, and Obama signed it. It was a rightwing policy start to finish. You need to get over the idea that the Dems are anything but a rightwing party.

 

[squarecut1]

Medicare isn't perfect, but I do believe people on it are far more satisfied with it than people on the mercy of "free" market.

Anyhow, there is not going to be a single payer system in a country as politically conservative as America. To me it seems like a pipe dream.

 

[squarecut1]

You need to get over the idea that the Dems are anything but a rightwing party.

It is not uncommon for right wing parties in Europe to be on the left of the Democratic party in America, on several issues. America is a conservative country as a whole.

 

[Genx87]

The government is fully capable of handling the issue if we stop electing hate-filled rightwing nutjobs hellbent on sabotaging our country. When we elect folks who have a stated intent of making sure that government won't work then of course government doesn't work.

You are a delusional clown.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The government is fully capable of handling the issue if we stop electing hate-filled rightwing nutjobs hellbent on sabotaging our country. When we elect folks who have a stated intent of making sure that government won't work then of course government doesn't work.

That's a statement of faith. When the Democrats had control why didn't they fix the infrastructure to begin with? When the laws passed making delivery of diabetic strips illegal to local customers, where were the Democrats? When Medicare regs forbid the easy access of prescribed supplies under Medicare merely by omission of a code on a prescription, something that MUST be done by hand and cannot be called in unlike virtually every other insurance scheme where were are the Democrats? Oh yeah they helped make it this way.

"I have not seen such great faith, not not in all Israel" comes to mind. Nothing of this complexity has ever been attempted before and you think that by having a D behind their name that makes them qualified? If I hand two intellectually challenged children a do-itself-rocket-to-the-moon agenda, the one who is Democratically leaning can't do it because the Republican one is throwing turds at him? Yes, eliminate all opposition and the incredibly advanced democratic party will suddenly stop pandering for votes. Every Good Citizen will have no concerns, no objections. Well what would it matter because the Gods in Office have no need to consult with the peasants.

Meh, the subject is beyond the scope of this forum and there's no use. It's not your fault I suppose. You are entrained to live in certain ways.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It is not uncommon for right wing parties in Europe to be on the left of the Democratic party in America, on several issues. America is a conservative country as a whole.

It is common to have accountability while in office. It is more common to have proportional representation. It is suicide for one party to decide it rules all others because it does not need anyone to tell them anything. That's not the US, Conservative or not. We elect our rulers who answer to no one during their tenure unless it is for illegal action. Our systems are so vastly different that there is no comparison. In that we're screwed.

 

[Texashiker]

So what's you're saying is you're just another brain dead rural person who is not smart enough to take the proper safety precautions to protect themselves. Something tells me your lack of concern for safety would result in you not being a tug boat very long provided they hire you. If you went back to welding and worked in a plant it wouldn't take long for you to be barred for not wearing the proper PPE for the job.

As a conservative I fully accept responsibility for my actions. If I hurt myself I am the one paying the price.

As an employee I do as I am told.

I made it 14 years in welding shops with only one accident - I dropped a flange on my finger. The inury was treated with first aid. I have never had a lost time accident while on the job.

 

[zinfamous]

Hell no I do not wear ear protection.


This is a rural area. The emergency room is used to seeing these kinds of injuries.

I'm actually with Texashiker on this. If I'm going to chainsawing a tree, I don't give a dick if I'm wearing goggles, ear protection, armor plating and all that horseshit. I want to cut down that tree and I want to do it as violently as possible. I want to experience this.

Possibly while snockered, as well.

In your local clinic, how often do people show up with various farm tools impaled in various parts of their bodies?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

As a conservative I fully accept responsibility for my actions. If I hurt myself I am the one paying the price.

As an employee I do as I am told.

I made it 14 years in welding shops with only one accident - I dropped a flange on my finger. The inury was treated with first aid. I have never had a lost time accident while on the job.

Hell yes, I have been ready for 20+ years.

Please give me socialized health care, because I can not afford capitalist healthcare.

No wonder you want socialized health care as it appears you can be bothered to be proactive when it comes to safety around the home (where most accidents take place).

 

[zinfamous]

You are so right!

Wait..I'm trying to remember. How many right wingers voted for it?

The foundation of ACA is pure right wing thinktanking. Doesn't really matter if they don't like it now (only because some dude they claim not to like supported it). The unchangeable fact is that it is a pure republican idea.

Hell, Mitt loved it until politics told him that he couldn't.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Medicare isn't perfect, but I do believe people on it are far more satisfied with it than people on the mercy of "free" market.

Anyhow, there is not going to be a single payer system in a country as politically conservative as America. To me it seems like a pipe dream.

Then how about getting some people who aren't politicians to get together with the idea of making the best system that we can have? How about care being the priority here? Rational unification of disparate systems? Control not by party but by merit and expertise? How about getting those in every related field to construct or oversee- health care experts? Those who have demonstrated competence in legal areas and applying proper regulatory laws and language doing this? Health care advocacy? Actuaries who actually deal with costs? System analysis to determine allocation and future needs? Computer system expertise?

Where are the forward looking Democrats who would selflessly put aside their own agenda and turn the task over to those who can carefully consider and construct something? Oh, no that's not done! Being a Democrat politician is the only thing that matters.

No, there's no one out for better. They are out for power and gain over all. I'll promise anything, but don't ask for competence or ethical approaches. Vote for my promise. I've been involved with science and health care in various capacities for more than three decades and I've never ever seen half of what is needed for something to be truly proud of.