Obamacare round 2 amazingly scheduled for after election

[Atreus21]

I'd love to hear a better solution. The previous system was just as fucking broken.

Not a solution, but it addresses part of the problem: discontinue the employer-based healthcare model by either discontinuing the tax exemption, or applying the tax exemption to individuals who purchase their own care.

 

[spacejamz]

The company for whom I work has always had enrollment the last 2 weeks of November.

Not sure what your point is?? Open enrollement for 2015 ACA coverage was supposed to start on October 15, 2014. This was pushed back to November 15.

 

[rudeguy]

Not sure what your point is?? Open enrollement for 2015 ACA coverage was supposed to start on October 15, 2014. This was pushed back to November 15.

Right. And part one launch got extended how many times because of issues?

 

[spacejamz]

Right. And part one launch got extended how many times because of issues?

I made that same point in post #3 of this thread

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'd love to hear a better solution. The previous system was just as fucking broken. Now we have a system that people bitch about but covers tens of millions more people with a few whiny fucks having to pay more. You got a better idea, then serve it the fuck up! The GOP has proven they don't have a solution they just want to attack the current one. Well that shit won't fly. You come up with something better that will actually work or shut the fuck up.

Actually people who wanted something other than obamacare were told to shut the fuck up. I think you might have been one, were you not?

BTW, the government in it's glorious wisdom has decided to cut some things to less than it costs to provide. Consequently you will see people not being able to provide service and so they won't. Who will you blame then?

 

[Subyman]

As an unmarried male, I'm still mad that maternity coverage is included in my insurance. Every time I pay my premium I think about being forced to throw a few dollars on the ground. It's not the biggest issue, but it still irks me to no end.

 

[Texashiker]

It's always nice to see what is happening within the right-wing media bubble. Are you guys still desperately attempting to convince each other that the ACA is a disaster?

Rates going up 15% and people finding out they have to repay thousands of dollars is not convincing enough?

The health insurance cost through at my employer have gone up close to 12% in the past 2 years. I can not keep paying for something that is going up twice the rate of inflation.

My wife had her plumbing removed because of a tumor. But the aca still requires birth control coverage? Bull crap. It is physically impossible for my wife to have a child, but the aca forces my provider to offer the coverage?

The facts speak for themselves, the aca has been a train wreck in slow motion.

EDIT

You wonder why changes are being made after the election? Because people will be pissed and would hand the democrats their ass in a handbag. Here is your ass in a convenient handbag. Now hit the road.

 

[rudeguy]

Actually people who wanted something other than obamacare were told to shut the fuck up. I think you might have been one, were you not?

BTW, the government in it's glorious wisdom has decided to cut some things to less than it costs to provide. Consequently you will see people not being able to provide service and so they won't. Who will you blame then?

Here is why I'm so mad, its how Obamacare directly affected me:

First using flex spending became nearly impossible. I have horrible allergies and bad joints. I take allergy medicine and pain killers every day. Obama decided that I should have to pay out of pocket for those things, get a note from my doctor, then submit the receipts and wait to be paid back. Well its not worth that hassle for a $10 box of allergy pills, my copay for my doctor is more than that.

Next the doctors changed. Everything got more complicated and the office workers could do less and less.

Then I was a contract worker and I was supposed to buy Obamacare. It was so expensive that I couldn't possibly afford it. It literally would have been so expensive that I wouldn't be able to buy food for my family. But Obama was still out there saying how great it was and how it was helping millions of people. Meanwhile I'm buying my son's diabetes supplies out of pocket because I couldn't afford his "affordable care".

Then I find out that they did not secure the Obamacare website. I input every piece of personal information you can think of and its sitting there for any hacker to take. That was bullshit.

Now that I have insurance, really good insurance, I can hardly afford my son's prescriptions again. RX prices are up to almost $350/month again just for him. That is over double what they were not even 2 years ago.

And now we have these liberal fucktards still running around with made up numbers ignoring the cold hard facts. Obamacare hurt the working people. Not the rich people, the working people. And its not going to get better, its only going to get worse.

 

[Anubis]

my HC costs through my employer are exactly the same this year as last year
~$80 a month

 

[Texashiker]

my HC costs through my employer are exactly the same this year as last year
~$80 a month

You have a county or state job?

Our county officials told the county employees all new employers starting in 2015 their health insurance cost were going to go from $60 a month, to $400 a month.

Everyone hired in before a certain date would be grandfathered into the old cost.

Everyone hired after a certain date would have to pay the new rates.

 

[Abwx]

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the United States spent more on health care per capita ($8,608), and more on health care as percentage of its GDP (17.2%)

The French health care system is one of universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance. In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "close to best overall health care" in the world.[1] In 2011, France spent 11.6% of GDP on health care

Numbers dont lie...

 

[rudeguy]

Numbers dont lie...

You are correct, they don't:

Health care spending rose at the fastest pace in 10 years last quarter, a development that could foreshadow higher costs for consumers this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/03/30/health-care-spending/7007987/

 

[chucky2]

Numbers dont lie...

What are the numbers on hours spent at sedentary lifestyle and consuming processed sh1t food?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What are the numbers on hours spent at sedentary lifestyle and consuming processed sh1t food?

Nor does it look at any causes whatsoever. It doesn't look at demographics. I also like the scaling of the graph. Note that it looks like we died when we were about 2

There's a lot which needs to be done, but let's look at who's qualified to deal with that. Oh, it's the ones who have done jack but are calling for the head of the CDC to step down. Oh, it's the ones who didn't sufficiently fund research. Oh, it's the ones with what, the 8% approval rate? The ones who reigned in the NSA? ISIS? Iraq? Fixed the roads? Preserved net neutrality? Brought us the F22? Yeah you want them making life and death decisions for you. Nope, not qualified.

 

[himkhan]

No need to convince anyone. It is. The only question is how long it will take everyone to recognize it.

Huh? It's far from a disaster. I'm still being reimbursed and making money. Employers using ACA as an excuse to shift the preponderance of the yearly premiums they used to pay and handing it over to their employees instead, isn't really ACA's fault. It's corporate greed pure and simple.


If in 2012 you employer used to pay 90% - 10% on your premiums and voila, the next year shifted (shafted) you 30%-70% or worse, whose fault is that?

I have privileges in several different hospitals (groups) and they all are giving their staff the short end of the stick as well and all of them are turning huge profits. It's the way of the west.

 

[theeedude]

Washington Times? Sounds legit.

 

[chucky2]

Nor does it look at any causes whatsoever. It doesn't look at demographics. I also like the scaling of the graph. Note that it looks like we died when we were about 2

There's a lot which needs to be done, but let's look at who's qualified to deal with that. Oh, it's the ones who have done jack but are calling for the head of the CDC to step down. Oh, it's the ones who didn't sufficiently fund research. Oh, it's the ones with what, the 8% approval rate? The ones who reigned in the NSA? ISIS? Iraq? Fixed the roads? Preserved net neutrality? Brought us the F22? Yeah you want them making life and death decisions for you. Nope, not qualified.

Dude, what are you talking about? Of course, because of studies, and France.

 

[soundforbjt]

Numbers dont lie...

You'd never get doctors in the U.S. to work for what they're paid in France.
The AMA also severely limits the amount of doctors here to keep their wages high and competition low.

 

[rudeguy]

Washington Times? Sounds legit.

Please refute anything I said with facts or kindly


STOP POSTING

 

[zinfamous]

You are welcome leach.

I now pay more for insurance, get shittier service and pay twice as much for prescriptions.

maybe you do. The fact is that there are far less in your situation than there were with the previous shitstorm healthcare that we had. And it will be getting more and more that way.

And it isn't because of "leachers."

Aren't you in a state that allows exchanges, now? Don't you actually have free-market options, now? I thought that was what every true-blooded conservative wanted?

Anyway, it obviously isn't perfect. This kind of overhaul takes time and some will hurt because of it.

 

[rudeguy]

maybe you do. The fact is that there are far less in your situation than there were with the previous shitstorm healthcare that we had. And it will be getting more and more that way.

And it isn't because of "leachers."

Aren't you in a state that allows exchanges, now? Don't you actually have free-market options, now? I thought that was what every true-blooded conservative wanted?

Anyway, it obviously isn't perfect. This kind of overhaul takes time and some will hurt because of it.

Please refute anything I said with facts or kindly


STOP POSTING

 

[jhbball]

Please refute my statement with facts or kindly
STOP POSTING

Why don't you educate yourself instead of a being a total fat fail fuck dad?

 

[Texashiker]

Anyway, it obviously isn't perfect. This kind of overhaul takes time and some will hurt because of it.

Share with us how much your health insurance cost have gone up.

 

[rudeguy]

Why don't you educate yourself instead of a being a total fat fail fuck dad?

Please refute anything I said with facts or kindly


STOP POSTING

 

[etrigan420]

Please refute anything I said with facts or kindly


STOP POSTING

FACT:

I'm paying the same next year as I paid this year, for the same coverage.

FACT:

You're paying more next year...

CONJECTURE:

Your time as a "leach" is over. Pay up mother fucker.

You've gone borderline Spidey since returning from your hiatus...