Obamacare round 2 amazingly scheduled for after election

[Slew Foot]

You'd never get doctors in the U.S. to work for what they're paid in France.
The AMA also severely limits the amount of doctors here to keep their wages high and competition low.

Total physician salary in the US totals than 10% of health care costs. You could cut pay down to 0 and the US would still be paying the most for mediocre care.

You get absolutely raped by drug companies and insurance company/hosptial middlemen and beauracrats in this country.

 

[First]

Here is why I'm so mad, its how Obamacare directly affected me:

First using flex spending became nearly impossible. I have horrible allergies and bad joints. I take allergy medicine and pain killers every day. Obama decided that I should have to pay out of pocket for those things, get a note from my doctor, then submit the receipts and wait to be paid back. Well its not worth that hassle for a $10 box of allergy pills, my copay for my doctor is more than that.

Next the doctors changed. Everything got more complicated and the office workers could do less and less.

Then I was a contract worker and I was supposed to buy Obamacare. It was so expensive that I couldn't possibly afford it. It literally would have been so expensive that I wouldn't be able to buy food for my family. But Obama was still out there saying how great it was and how it was helping millions of people. Meanwhile I'm buying my son's diabetes supplies out of pocket because I couldn't afford his "affordable care".

Then I find out that they did not secure the Obamacare website. I input every piece of personal information you can think of and its sitting there for any hacker to take. That was bullshit.

Now that I have insurance, really good insurance, I can hardly afford my son's prescriptions again. RX prices are up to almost $350/month again just for him. That is over double what they were not even 2 years ago.

And now we have these liberal fucktards still running around with made up numbers ignoring the cold hard facts. Obamacare hurt the working people. Not the rich people, the working people. And its not going to get better, its only going to get worse.

Please refute anything I said with facts or kindly


STOP POSTING

lol. Oh the ironing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You'd never get doctors in the U.S. to work for what they're paid in France.
The AMA also severely limits the amount of doctors here to keep their wages high and competition low.

The first part has virtually nothing to do with overall costs and the second? Yeah standards are high but it's not numbers which are the problem.

 

[zinfamous]

Share with us how much your health insurance cost have gone up.

I was paying $8 per month for Kaiser, I'd say mid-tier deductible, about 5 years ago.

I'm now paying $12 month.

The University's rate for my healthcare went up about 10% in that time, I think.

Fact is, the vast majority of absurd costs that people are seeing is employers passing on the bulk of the payment to their employees now; and not due to much higher rates.

it's pure politics, and you eat it up.

 

[zinfamous]

Please refute anything I said with facts or kindly


STOP POSTING

I don't know, stop posting your anecdote as if it is representative of anything?

Fact is, you won't read any facts that counter anything that you want to believe. You are, and always have been, a belief-minded individual. I think the nature of belief is a big part of who you are. You don't like to be challenged in this way, so no amount of facts will ever change the things you believe--facts have never been very important to you.

Hey, I sitll like you, rudeguy. :wub:

 

[rudeguy]

I don't know, stop posting your anecdote as if it is representative of anything?

Fact is, you won't read any facts that counter anything that you want to believe. You are, and always have been, a belief-minded individual. I think the nature of belief is a big part of who you are. You don't like to be challenged in this way, so no amount of facts will ever change the things you believe--facts have never been very important to you.

Hey, I sitll like you, rudeguy. :wub:

I actually just posted that one to mess with you :heart:

I'm just pissed at how much more I am paying for so much worse coverage and service. But hey...if I ever give birth or want and abortion, I am covered!

 

[zinfamous]

I actually just posted that one to mess with you :heart:

I'm just pissed at how much more I am paying for so much worse coverage and service. But hey...if I ever give birth or want and abortion, I am covered!

Do you guys have state exchanges over there in The Hand, or did the silly governor choose to screw everyone in that state, as well?

 

[Matt1970]

I'd love to hear a better solution. The previous system was just as fucking broken. Now we have a system that people bitch about but covers tens of millions more people with a few whiny fucks having to pay more. You got a better idea, then serve it the fuck up! The GOP has proven they don't have a solution they just want to attack the current one. Well that shit won't fly. You come up with something better that will actually work or shut the fuck up.

Tens of millions more are not now insured. ACA is the previous system and was a huge handout to the insurers... They still can't cross state lines.

Talk about a bubble.

I think we picked up around 5 million. That certainly isn't ten million much less tens of millions. And we wouldn't want people to be able to buy insurance from a neighboring state, that might actually reduce costs and make actually make socializing medicine even harder.

 

[rudeguy]

Do you guys have state exchanges over there in The Hand, or did the silly governor choose to screw everyone in that state, as well?

We have an exchange.

The best I could get for me and lil rudeguy would have been roughly $17k out of pocket each year. I could stretch out supplies, change his site every 5 days instead of 3, reuse cartridges and keep my spending to about less than half of that by not having insurance. Now that RX prices went up again, I'm at $450/month out of pocket with insurance.

 

[First]

We have an exchange.

The best I could get for me and lil rudeguy would have been roughly $17k out of pocket each year. I could stretch out supplies, change his site every 5 days instead of 3, reuse cartridges and keep my spending to about less than half of that by not having insurance. Now that RX prices went up again, I'm at $450/month out of pocket with insurance.

waaaaah

 

[Texashiker]

The University's rate for my healthcare went up about 10% in that time, I think.

Fact is, the vast majority of absurd costs that people are seeing is employers passing on the bulk of the payment to their employees now; and not due to much higher rates.

it's pure politics, and you eat it up.

So your employer absorbed the price hikes?

I am not so fortunate to work for an employer that can raise their prices and/or absorb cost.

Your rate went up 10% in a year? That is a little over 3 times the rate of inflation. There is a lot to be worried about.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So your employer absorbed the price hikes?

I am not so fortunate to work for an employer that can raise their prices and/or absorb cost.

Your rate went up 10% in a year? That is a little over 3 times the rate of inflation. There is a lot to be worried about.

There's an easy solution. Forbid innovation and technological advancement. New stuff costs a lot of money to develop. It tends to be inherently expensive. Take zmap. You don't grow it on agar and harvest it, there's a whole chain of complex steps and processes. It can't be cheap. Then there's research equipment itself. Regulations. Testing. There's a fortune that can be saved by doing nothing new. Problem solved.

 

[rudeguy]

waaaaah

Love the idiocy!

Middle class guy, working his ass off, trying to provide for his diabetic son=whining when he complains about how much he has to pay.

Woman chooses not to work, collects checks from the government, collects food stamps, gets free heat, free house, free internet, has sex solely to pop out more bastards so she can get more checks and more food stamps=We need to help this person!

 

[Texashiker]

There's an easy solution. Forbid innovation and technological advancement. New stuff costs a lot of money to develop. It tends to be inherently expensive. Take zmap. You don't grow it on agar and harvest it, there's a whole chain of complex steps and processes. It can't be cheap. Then there's research equipment itself. Regulations. Testing. There's a fortune that can be saved by doing nothing new. Problem solved.

Any lame excuse is a good excuse,,, right?

In January I cut my leg with a chainsaw. It was a 3 inch long gash and was about a 1/4 inch deep.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2364606

@45 minutes in the ER
11 staples
Couple of Lidocain shots
Tetanus shot

Grand total was something like $1,500. There are numerous stories out there of simple trips to the er costing thousands of dollars.

Just keep spreading that lie that innovation is driving healthcare cost.

 

[jhbball]

Love the idiocy!

Middle class guy, working his ass off, trying to provide for his diabetic son=whining when he complains about how much he has to pay.

Woman chooses not to work, collects checks from the government, collects food stamps, gets free heat, free house, free internet, has sex solely to pop out more bastards so she can get more checks and more food stamps=We need to help this person!

Translation=total fail fuck who got his first full time job at the age of 35.

 

[zinfamous]

So your employer absorbed the price hikes?

I am not so fortunate to work for an employer that can raise their prices and/or absorb cost.

Your rate went up 10% in a year? That is a little over 3 times the rate of inflation. There is a lot to be worried about.

read what I posted. Not sure where you got 10% in one year

 

[Texashiker]

read what I posted. Not sure where you got 10% in one year

Ok, I see now, 10% in 5 years, which is on course with inflation.

I would like to know what the difference is between your 10% in a number of years, and my 12% - 13% in 2 years.

 

[Anubis]

You have a county or state job?

Our county officials told the county employees all new employers starting in 2015 their health insurance cost were going to go from $60 a month, to $400 a month.

Everyone hired in before a certain date would be grandfathered into the old cost.

Everyone hired after a certain date would have to pay the new rates.

neither
I work for a fortune 500 company

 

[rudeguy]

neither
I work for a fortune 500 company

1%'er

GET HIM!!!

 

[Texashiker]

neither
I work for a fortune 500 company

1%'er

GET HIM!!!

Burn him at the stake.

Or, tar, feather, catch him on fire and watch him run around like a chicken.

 

[tracerbullet]

CONJECTURE:

Your time as a "leach" is over. Pay up mother fucker.

That's a bit harsh, but I have long wondered the same thing. In my circle of friends (admittedly a very small sample size vs. the US population), the only friend I know that feels screwed over was, in my opinion, paying almost nothing to start with because they went from an employer covering almost all of it to an employer covering almost none of it. He also had a kid in the meantime and had to move from single to family coverage.

Everyone else I have talked to (including me) is paying 80-ish / month single / double that for family, about the same as always. For essentially the same coverage, limits, and co-pays as always.

Is anyone really getting screwed, or just finally catching up to the rest of us?

 

[zinfamous]

Ok, I see now, 10% in 5 years, which is on course with inflation.

I would like to know what the difference is between your 10% in a number of years, and my 12% - 13% in 2 years.

when things like this happen, I always blame Texas.

Seriously, though--you guys have some of the most absurd healthcare costs per/capita than anyone else in the Union. I think only Mississippi and maybe Georgia is worse. ...not that this should be too surprising. And it's not just poor diet/lifestyle--it's piss poor accounting and absurd costs in comparison to other systems.


But, more specifically for me, my rates are Kaiser. That's very different than typical Blue Cross or Humana or what have you. I don't know the specifics, but I believe the BC plans increased drastically in that time in comparison to Kaiser. Just goes to show--get the charlatan insurance fuckwits out of healthcare and we can talk about real reform.

My biggest gripe with ACA is that it has, until now, served mostly to strengthen their hand. Or, rather, the pressure to be competitive was never locked into the insurer side (bear in mind--rate of increase year to year hasn't really gotten worse one bit before or after ACA--it's just political employers shoving their brainless tomdickery down their employees throats and blaming the "ebul Muslim Man in the White House" for their suddenly lower paychecks)

 

[First]

Love the idiocy!

Middle class guy, working his ass off, trying to provide for his diabetic son=whining when he complains about how much he has to pay.

Woman chooses not to work, collects checks from the government, collects food stamps, gets free heat, free house, free internet, has sex solely to pop out more bastards so she can get more checks and more food stamps=We need to help this person!

rofl.

It's funny you think people should take you at your word or, well, seriously at all. You're full of the lulz.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Any lame excuse is a good excuse,,, right?

In January I cut my leg with a chainsaw. It was a 3 inch long gash and was about a 1/4 inch deep.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2364606

@45 minutes in the ER
11 staples
Couple of Lidocain shots
Tetanus shot

Grand total was something like $1,500. There are numerous stories out there of simple trips to the er costing thousands of dollars.

Just keep spreading that lie that innovation is driving healthcare cost.

Every advancement costs a large fortune. Every drug a billion dollars. New machines much more. So eliminate any increases in costs. I also suggest you do it yourself. Buy a suture kit on line and leave the ER for serious matters. You won't tie up more resources than you understand. You don't know how much an ER costs to run. You don't seem to understand that people walk in and never pay. Lead by example.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol. As usual you guys trot out a "study" from an ultra-right wing think tank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercatus_Center

I'll rely on the CBO, thanks. You know, an actual, credible research organization.



Oh good, anecdotal evidence as opposed to BLS data on part time employment.

This is what I'm talking about. Why do you let people dupe you like this?

It's simple. It's faith based motivating reasoning of conditioned response. It's what he wants to believe, and that's that.

Right wing propagandists push his buttons the way Eric Clapton plays the guitar.