Obamacare rollout status report: central place for updates

[irishScott]

I posted in another thread about a relative that fainted while shopping a few weeks ago.
Her husband had died last January so she company insurance went away with his death, naturally.
Now recovered, she is facing her own medical bills of $86000 ICU. $17000 doctors.
Not one single person besides someone with great personal wealth could financially survive such an occurance. Not one.
Imaging for one moment if this happened to you, and you had no, or were between insurance coverage.
Your life would be ruined for years, if not for life.
You probably would have wish you'd had died rather than recovered.

Welcome to healthcare American style.

I don't give a shit what negative attitudes people take against the attempts at healthcare reform. Anything is better than the old statue quo.
And insurance for profit is an embarrassment to America.
People can gripe and bash reform, but when you get hit by thousands of dollars in medical bills, where $86000 might as well be $86,000,000 you would sing a different tune.

Reform must be supported and any efforts against should be redirected into efforts to improve what is not functioning as planned.
And that includes any website woes.
Never repeal and replace. Instead.. support and correct.

I simply believe most people do not realize what is at stake here.
Nor can they imagine the personal financial devastation if they found themselves between employer insurance, and then hit with a $86000 hospital bill.
No magicial money fairy will come to your rescue over this one.
You will be screwed. Screwed for a long long time. Possibly forever.
And simply because people have this illusion this can not happen to them, think again.
And somehow people believe America has the best system of healthcare, which it has not.
Not when getting sick can and most assuredly will financially destroy a person or family for life.

Yeah, I read your post in the last thread. I notice this time you're leaving out the detail that the hospital sent her a letter asking for appraisal of her assets; a detail that a poster in the other thread pointed out was illegal.

So, you:

1. Stated the hospital did something illegal.
2. Were called out on it.
3. Left the thread.
4. Posted the same story in another thread, with the offending detail removed. No explanation.

This behavior describes someone who is full of shit.

 

[boomerang]

I don't give a shit what negative attitudes people take against the attempts at healthcare reform. Anything is better than the old statue quo.

I present the progressive mindset for review. What is of the utmost importance is to do something. Whether it's effective, ineffective, affordable, unaffordable, feasible or infeasible makes no difference. Just.do.something. Throw in a knee-jerk reaction simmered in righteous indignity and it's a hearty meal fit for the masses. Hmm, mmm good.

Why do we see the cluster-fuck that is Obamacare unfolding before us today? Because of this attitude. We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it. Progspeak.

 

[Exterous]

I dunno. They just might try for public appearances. "We're so awesome we're working through Thanksgiving to fix this!"

And the contractors are working so hard they are billing triple overtime + holiday pay!

 

[Matt1970]

Yeah, I read your post in the last thread. I notice this time you're leaving out the detail that the hospital sent her a letter asking for appraisal of her assets; a detail that a poster in the other thread pointed out was illegal.

So, you:

1. Stated the hospital did something illegal.
2. Were called out on it.
3. Left the thread.
4. Posted the same story in another thread, with the offending detail removed. No explanation.

This behavior describes someone who is full of shit.

His first post he listed the doctors fees as "(still unknown)" and less than 24 hours later they are $17,000. Pretty easy to smell the bullshit on this one.

 

[Matt1970]

I don't give a shit what negative attitudes people take against the attempts at healthcare reform. Anything is better than the old statue quo.
And insurance for profit is an embarrassment to America.

You don't have to give a shit. Your "anything" is making things worse. Insurance for profit isn't an embarrassment to America, Obama and Obamacare is. Speaking of your sister, seeing as how they couldn't figure out if it was a stroke, seizure, or what, would you want them doing a heart transplant on her or amputating a couple limbs? They will make things a lot worse, but hey, anything is better than nothing right? At least they tried something?

 

[CPA]

Hey, if you're in Colorado and want your dog covered by Obamacare just use it's name as one of your security answers. Even the state exchanges can't get it right.

 

[First]

And you're revealing simple delay tactics/rationalizations. Much like Obama himself.

"Oh well after X period of time things will be wonderful! I promised it would be here sooner, but just you wait!" I believe this is colloquially known as "kicking the can down the road."

Your argument has no basis other than blind faith, whereas mine at least has the limited support of two months of hard information.

Huh? What's this blather about. Two months of Gallup's "hard information" polls, like I said, means nothing. What's Gallup's recent record on being right about elections, btw? Care to wade into the weeds about their 2012 predictions? No? Herp-a-derp?

If in one year Obamacare has gone through the necessary near-complete re-writings and actually becomes a beneficial program, I'm sure you'll be back in this forum screaming about how you were right despite the law being completely different.

All laws change based on demand and market conditions. Welcome to 1789.

And if you're wrong, it'll be crickets or, more likely, "oh come on, programs this big take at least 5 years to show any real effects" and 5 years later "oh come on it'll at least take 10 years for a program of this size to show the full benefits"; and after that, well then there will most likely be crickets, but you're enough of a radical that you might turn into one of those pathetic die-hard wingnuts.

Damn your posts are awful. lol.

 

[irishScott]

Huh? What's this blather about. Two months of Gallup's "hard information" polls, like I said, means nothing. What's Gallup's recent record on being right about elections, btw? Care to wade into the weeds about their 2012 predictions? No? Herp-a-derp?

You want to scientifically challenge gallup, be my guest. I await your problems with their survey methodology and why they're statistically inaccurate. It's not just Gallup saying these things either by the way.

All laws change based on demand and market conditions. Welcome to 1789.

Which is... completely irrelevant to my point. Obamacare as it is today will not succeed. In order to succeed, massive changes will be required such that the resulting law will no longer resemble Obamacare as it was passed. Ergo, if it is successful one year from now, "Obamacare" will have failed long ago. It's replacement, although going by the same name, will have been the success.

Damn your posts are awful. lol.

Truth must hurt. All you're doing is shooting the message, rationalizing, delaying, re-directing, and some weak personal attacks.

As I said, your faith is blind, and your reasoning is flawed. And you don't care. Your own party has turned on the man over this, and you don't care. Typical Obama supporter at this stage.

 

[First]

You want to scientifically challenge gallup, be my guest. I await your problems with their survey methodology and why they're statistically inaccurate. It's not just Gallup saying these things either by the way.

I can merely cite Gallup's monstrously inaccurate 2012 polling as a significant development in the decline of their influence and, more importantly, accuracy. Their new methodologies have yet to be born out, your convincing "2 months hard data yo!!" argument notwithstanding (a truly lulz-worthy statement).

Which is... completely irrelevant to my point. Obamacare as it is today will not succeed.

A totally unprovable and more importantly irrelevant statement since not a single federal gov't entitlement program in history (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Part D, etc.) has survived initial passage without significant technical, administrative and legislative fixes afterward. That is a fact you are more than welcome to deny, and I will more than happily throw said data in yo face. Come on, dare ya.

In order to succeed, massive changes will be required such that the resulting law will no longer resemble Obamacare as it was passed.

lol massive. Like what? Please be specific, my sage.

Ergo, if it is successful one year from now, "Obamacare" will have failed long ago. It's replacement, although going by the same name, will have been the success.

Herrrrrrrrp.....-a-derp.

Truth must hurt. All you're doing is shooting the message, rationalizing, delaying, re-directing, and some weak personal attacks.

As I said, your faith is blind, and your reasoning is flawed. And you don't care. Your own party has turned on the man over this, and you don't care. Typical Obama supporter at this stage.

Your posts are awful, I'm just pointing it out for you. Nothing in this quoted statement or your previous statement I quoted, merited time or attention. Bunch of hypothetical accusations, mostly grade school reasoning.

 

[werepossum]

I present the progressive mindset for review. What is of the utmost importance is to do something. Whether it's effective, ineffective, affordable, unaffordable, feasible or infeasible makes no difference. Just.do.something. Throw in a knee-jerk reaction simmered in righteous indignity and it's a hearty meal fit for the masses. Hmm, mmm good.

Why do we see the cluster-fuck that is Obamacare unfolding before us today? Because of this attitude. We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it. Progspeak.

With Obamacare, "Anything is better than the old statue quo" is akin to "Well, yes, I did set the house on fire, but anything is better than that awful yellow paint."

 

[schmuckley]

 

[spacejamz]

Just when you think it can't get any worse for Obamacare...

30% of the Obambacare system hasn't even been built yet...Maybe these are just minor pieces, right? I mean, do they really need any systems for financial management, monthly enrollment reconciliation or risk adjustment??? LOL

These systems need be operational in Jan 2014 but how can they work on it if they are focusing on fixing the bugs? In December, there will be alot of downtime because of the holidays...even if the programmers work on their code, they will still need to contact users if they have any questions related to how the code should work...Many of these users will be on vacation during the last two weeks of the year....

They have already seen what happens when complete end to end testing is not done but it sure looks like they are doomed to repeat that mistake again with these pieces...

http://www.nationaljournal.com/heal...bamacare-site-that-hasn-t-been-built-20131121

The clusterfuck continues....

 

[rudder]

Sebelius heads into the field to speak with obamacare navigators...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YskKMcPtow

 

[ivwshane]

I'm not reading this whole thread because I don't care but for those that have, how many talking points have been used in this thread that follows the republican playbook?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/21/us/politics/21republican-talking-points.html?_r=0

How many parrots do we have?!

 

[irishScott]

I can merely cite Gallup's monstrously inaccurate 2012 polling as a significant development in the decline of their influence and, more importantly, accuracy. Their new methodologies have yet to be born out, your convincing "2 months hard data yo!!" argument notwithstanding (a truly lulz-worthy statement).



A totally unprovable and more importantly irrelevant statement since not a single federal gov't entitlement program in history (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Part D, etc.) has survived initial passage without significant technical, administrative and legislative fixes afterward. That is a fact you are more than welcome to deny, and I will more than happily throw said data in yo face. Come on, dare ya.



lol massive. Like what? Please be specific, my sage.



Herrrrrrrrp.....-a-derp.



Your posts are awful, I'm just pointing it out for you. Nothing in this quoted statement or your previous statement I quoted, merited time or attention. Bunch of hypothetical accusations, mostly grade school reasoning.

Whatever your opinion of my reasoning, at least I have some. You have blind faith and nothing more, however many vague, unsubstantiated historical comparisons you dredge up.

I'd also like to point out that the Gallup numbers are corroborated by other sources, many of which you can find with a simple Google search.

But regardless, First, you're an abrasive partisan hack and a troll. Everyone knows this. It's amusing and somewhat cathartic to have you put your posturing on display every now and then, but why in the hell would anyone with half a brain engage you in an honest debate? You have nothing to offer and aren't interested in debate anyway, as your posting record and style clearly show.

Perhaps if one day I'm so bored that I feel I need to hone my knowledge of a political subject, I'll debate you for days, the sole purpose of which will be to force me to research and dredge up every small detail to back you perfectly into a corner. At which point you'll still deny my argument, but it won't matter. Until then, have fun.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! Are all guys with the name "irish" in them just a bunch if Internet pussies? I've never seen so many butt hurt people on a political forum.

Do yourself a favor and find another forum if you think his posts are "abrasive".

 

[Angry Irishman]

Lol! Are all guys with the name "irish" in them just a bunch if Internet pussies? I've never seen so many butt hurt people on a political forum.

Do yourself a favor and find another forum if you think his posts are "abrasive".

Keep fishing and troll on....

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! Did you hear a bell? Good boy!

 

[irishScott]

Lol! Are all guys with the name "irish" in them just a bunch if Internet pussies? I've never seen so many butt hurt people on a political forum.

Do yourself a favor and find another forum if you think his posts are "abrasive".

Why? As I said he has his uses, cathartic entertainment and debate-trainer. Just so happens that honestly debating with him is worthless.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

But regardless, First, you're an abrasive partisan hack and a troll. Everyone knows this. It's amusing and somewhat cathartic to have you put your posturing on display every now and then, but why in the hell would anyone with half a brain engage you in an honest debate? You have nothing to offer and aren't interested in debate anyway, as your posting record and style clearly show.

This.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Lol! Did you hear a bell? Good boy!

Real classy once again....what a jackass

 

[rudder]

I'm not reading this whole thread because I don't care but for those that have, how many talking points have been used in this thread that follows the republican playbook?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/21/us/politics/21republican-talking-points.html?_r=0

How many parrots do we have?!

The parrots are the ones who keep insisting the obamacare rollout was as smooth as silk and so far obamacare has been a smashing success.

 

[sactoking]

FYI-

Open enrollment in 2015 has been delayed to after the election.

 

[spacejamz]

FYI-

Open enrollment in 2015 has been delayed to after the election.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304607104579213071117651600

The Department of Health and Human Services will allow Americans to start signing up for coverage starting Nov. 15, 2014, rather than Oct. 15, 2014, a department official said early Friday. People will have until Jan. 15, 2015, rather than Dec. 7, 2014, to complete the process, the official said.


Pretty sure that Nov 15 date being after the elections is just a coincidence...after all the article states "The move is intended to give insurance issuers "the benefit of more time to evaluate their experiences during the 2014 plan year and allow them to take into account those who may enroll late, including young adults, before setting 2015 rates," the department said."

The department would never misled us, would they???

 

[sactoking]

Also, HHS has or will announce that consumers have until 12/23 this year to sign up for insurance to have it effective 1/1. The problem? It's against their promulgated regulations to do so.