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MovingTarget, are you or family on welfare? You seem to have a very high view of those in the system.
 
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I read some of this and this could include tubligation surgery and/or reversal of same which is quite expensive. Personally, I would pass out condoms and call it a day.
 
shadow9d9 said:
Why should one government be any different than another to you? Outrage not found. More states' rights when I want it BS.
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Nope, i'd fight against it on the state level too but due to other reasons. States rights is real, some of us still believe in the Constitution and want to keep the Fed from continuing to ignore the Constitution.
 
alkemyst said:
Spike, are you or family on welfare? You seem to have a very high view of those in the system.
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jesus i was trying to back you yet you fucked it up.

i.e. MT needs to see that all the 'sterotypes' that exist in his mind is reality and in plain view.

chill out man
 
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OneOfTheseDays said:
And that is precisely why we need to move away from employer based healthcare. Nationalize healthcare for all, don't have this half-assed hybrid approach that suits nobodies needs adequately.

It's quite clear the rest of the modernized world has already made their decision about how health care should be run, it's time for us to join them. This is the natural progression of our American society whether you agree with it or not. Obama has merely put us one step closer.
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We do need to move away from employer-based health care. I'd prefer to see something like nonlnear posted, with a minimum government-provided level of service and an available free market to provide a better level of care (through insurance or direct pay.) Even better, government-provided catastrophic care policies, where each individual provides his own health care up to a certain level. Then we'd all pay more attention to prices. Unfortunately, too many of us feel they are entitled to first class care with someone else picking up 100% of the cost.
 
werepossum said:
We do need to move away from employer-based health care. I'd prefer to see something like nonlnear posted, with a minimum government-provided level of service and an available free market to provide a better level of care (through insurance or direct pay.) Even better, government-provided catastrophic care policies, where each individual provides his own health care up to a certain level. Then we'd all pay more attention to prices. Unfortunately, too many of us feel they are entitled to first class care with someone else picking up 100% of the cost.
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yep thats just the problem with americans and healthcare:

as far as healthcare goes, americans want THE BEST.

but in addition, they want it FOR FREE.

does not compute.

sorry to bring light to it guys, but under this plan, not everyone can be covered.
 
What's amusing is to see the "Hate the Boomers" thread bitching about SS then coming here. I'm watching the same or worse scenario in it's infancy brought about by those in love with government run health care. Man your kids are going to absolutely despise you 😛
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
What's amusing is to see the "Hate the Boomers" thread bitching about SS then coming here. I'm watching the same or worse scenario in it's infancy brought about by those in love with government run health care. Man your kids are going to absolutely despise you 😛
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They're going to despise us because WE DON'T HAVE FUCKING SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE.
 
alkemyst said:
MovingTarget, are you or family on welfare? You seem to have a very high view of those in the system.
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No. But we have been in the past due to divorce, job loss, etc. We worked our way out of it asap each time. It was there for us when we nearly lost the roof over our heads. The social safety net isn't as strong as people portray it, but it is effective. Charity in a lot of cases can't pick up the slack, otherwise we'd have never enacted these programs. I for one have done a lot of work with the less fortunate, especially the working poor, so that is why I have a high view of them.

I do tend to get on my soapbox about the subject due to my personal experience and the fact that I have lived in poor communities. Many people portray those who have been or are on welfare as those who are living the high life with no incentive to strive for a better life. Poverty is not appealing no matter what the Rockefellers of the world say.
 
Spikesoldier said:
I recommend you take a stroll down your local section 8 blocks and get back to us.
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I've been on section 8 before. Once our family worked our way off welfare, we bought a house and rented it out to section 8 tenants. It was in a decent neighborhood, one that I wish we still lived in. There is a lot of hate for section 8 people, some of it being justified, but definitely not the majority. It is a good ticket out of poverty, especially for those raising kids.
 
seaotter2 said:
All I want to add to this thread is that I want free healthcare and I could care less if it's socialist.
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Don't confuse those wanting single payer health care with those who want "free healthcare for all". Nothing is free, and we do have to pay for it. We just feel that it is a much more just and efficient way of covering everyone.
 
The problem we are facing is people keep on upping to get mandatory freebies added as if they are geting 'universal healthcare' by default.

There is no doubt premiums will rise due to all this free stuff added now next year and when they want more freebies added, rinse and repeat.

Soon health care costs will rise way beyond what the working man can bear and they are betting on this. Obamacare will be in place by default, the sad thing is all these out of work people will probably be employed by that point and they will be taking a step down in proper coverage.

They are hoping to pass this on the shoulders of the unemployed that still make/have too much to qualify for medical assistance.
 
MovingTarget said:
Don't confuse those wanting single payer health care with those who want "free healthcare for all". Nothing is free, and we do have to pay for it. We just feel that it is a much more just and efficient way of covering everyone.
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People are also delusional that it will be much better than Medicaide.
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
I already read about it earlier this morning. I was waiting for one of you folks to come in and start foaming at the mouth about it. For an ideology largely based on attacking "undesirable" types you folks sure seem hell bent on not doing anything that might actually reduce the number.
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Oh come on now. Many Republicans love to piss and moan about all "undesirables" in the country but get all bent out of shape when you talk about preventing/aborting them or supporting them if born. It's the great catch22 GOP hate circle. Damned if you do damned if you don't.
 
MovingTarget said:
No. But we have been in the past due to divorce, job loss, etc. We worked our way out of it asap each time. It was there for us when we nearly lost the roof over our heads. The social safety net isn't as strong as people portray it, but it is effective. Charity in a lot of cases can't pick up the slack, otherwise we'd have never enacted these programs. I for one have done a lot of work with the less fortunate, especially the working poor, so that is why I have a high view of them.

I do tend to get on my soapbox about the subject due to my personal experience and the fact that I have lived in poor communities. Many people portray those who have been or are on welfare as those who are living the high life with no incentive to strive for a better life. Poverty is not appealing no matter what the Rockefellers of the world say.
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That's the whole thing, it's not appealing at all but many choose it and feel enlightened beating the system.

The biggest problem is people aren't willing to sacrifice. They think they should be able to keep everything they earned and still get aid.

It's funny how there absolutely not one Section 8 neighborhood without out flashy boom cars and high end SUVs parked all over them.

But I guess in your eyes, those people earned that and should have to go without because they are broke.
 
MovingTarget said:
No. But we have been in the past due to divorce, job loss, etc. We worked our way out of it asap each time. It was there for us when we nearly lost the roof over our heads. The social safety net isn't as strong as people portray it, but it is effective. Charity in a lot of cases can't pick up the slack, otherwise we'd have never enacted these programs. I for one have done a lot of work with the less fortunate, especially the working poor, so that is why I have a high view of them.

I do tend to get on my soapbox about the subject due to my personal experience and the fact that I have lived in poor communities. Many people portray those who have been or are on welfare as those who are living the high life with no incentive to strive for a better life. Poverty is not appealing no matter what the Rockefellers of the world say.
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See but heres the problem,

for every success story like yours, there is 99 welfare queens who don't desire or aren't motivated to better themselves.

its always easier to be satiated with the current than to strive for something better. thats called laziness and it is very common in our country.
 
Spikesoldier said:
See but heres the problem,

for every success story like yours, there is 99 welfare queens who don't desire or aren't motivated to better themselves.

its always easier to be satiated with the current than to strive for something better. thats called laziness and it is very common in our country.
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The welfare queen myth was debunked a long time ago. This isn't the 70s/80s, and that doesn't hold any water as an argument anymore. It is nothing but hot air and false outrage. I knew and eventually worked with many, many people on public assistance. Section 8, medicaid, SSI, welfare, WIC, or any combination thereof. I have never met even one welfare queen, even in the projects where I was involved in advocacy work (mostly big brothers big sisters and an unrelated reading/literacy program through the local public school).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen
 
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This measure isn't going to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Birth control is already ridiculously easy to get a hold of (even for teens) and frankly people who are getting pregnant are the idiots who just don't give a shit. There is also the added incentive of welfare mothers receiving more money for the additional kids they can pop out so there goes that theory. All this is doing is just raising premiums for private health insurance customers who have a job and are responsible so now there goes that lie about Obamacare not raising the rates for Americans.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
The fact that it's a state? Hmmm... tough one... next?
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What a moron WTF is the difference? I suppose if you don't like the laws in the state you live in then you can move and if YOU don't like the new law in this country then you can do us all a favor and GTFO.
 
The government requiring a minimum standard of care for patients is a stepping stone to a command and control economy?

Wow.
 
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