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Rvenger said:
More affordable for middle age and people with preexisting conditions. Us youngins get the good ol' shaft.
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------When I was younger I got shafted too, but now that I am retirement age, I still am shafted because I am still fairly healthy. But you won't catch me using that argument, because I may need my health insurance later.

As for you rvenger, when you too get older, you may have to depend on younger heather people to pay your medical bills too.
 
silverpig said:
1. Except pre-existing conditions are involuntary. You don't choose to be born with a heart condition. You do choose to drink and drive.
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Sometimes they are involuntary. Sometimes they are the result of poor lifestyle choices. Either way, someone else will have to pay more to cover the costs of insuring high risk people.
 
Juror No. 8 said:
You know you've entered Bizarro world when the Left is celebrating legislation devised and drawn up by massive corporations. What's next? The Left making excuses for the military-industrial complex and their war of aggression against poor brown people?

Oh wait...
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How can you possibly know who devised and drew up the ACA? Are you - who questions EVERYTHING posted on the internet - telling us that there are internet sources that can be trusted?
 
Munky said:
Fail. Let's take off the rosy glasses, shall we?

1. No preexisting conditions - that's like charging a known DUI convict the same car insurance as someone with a perfect driving record. He should be paying more, because there's a high chance he'll end up costing more for the insurer. But the equality sheep will have none of that. The rest of us will have to bear the cost.

2. Businesses are already reducing the working hours of fulltime employees so they don't have to pay them insurance. How that coverage working out for them?

3. Why is the government meddling in what doctors get paid? That smells a lot like communism to me. And the doctors can take their business elsewhere.

4. It has done nothing to end the monopoly of big pharma on the US drug prices. The same drugs cost less in other countries, but it's illegal to import those drugs here. More fail.

5. Why is Obama surrounded by a bunch of women signing the bill? Is he promising them taxpayer-funded BC and abortions? F*** that.
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For point 1:
Not all preexisting conditions are from one’s own actions... there are genetic conditions that made it nearly impossible for some to get insurance.

For point 2:
That definitely has nothing to do with the recession we were in now does it?
Hint... given the high costs that employers currently pay for their employees insurance the fee for doing not doing so is almost laughable.

For point 3:
Ever hear of medicare and medicaid?

For point 5:
Just admit you're sexist or that you are fully willing to help pay to raise said child and I very much doubt it is the latter.
 
jagec said:
Obamacare is a hopelessly compromised law designed to appease the private insurance sector, but it IS better than what we had before.
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I agree, the ACA could have been MUCH better if we didn't have to appease the Bluedog Dems to overcome yet another Rethuglicant Filibuster. I wanted to see the Public option which in effect would eliminate the Vampiric Private Health Insurance Industry.
 
Ausm said:
I agree, the ACA could have been MUCH better if we didn't have to appease the Bluedog Dems to overcome yet another Rethuglicant Filibuster. I wanted to see the Public option which in effect would eliminate the Vampiric Private Health Insurance Industry.
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funny that you want to blame everyone else for the failures that are in place.

Obama and company were determined to push out a flaw and failure just to state that something was done rather than actually do something right.

Those blue dogs were doing their job - representing their constituents and doing what they felt was best.

No need for them to toe the Obama kool-aid line
 
EagleKeeper said:
funny that you want to blame everyone else for the failures that are in place.

Obama and company were determined to push out a flaw and failure just to state that something was done rather than actually do something right.

Those blue dogs were doing their job - representing their constituents and doing what they felt was best.

No need for them to toe the Obama kool-aid line
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What do you mean "blame everyone else"? That's what happened, I am just stating the reality sorry you don't agree with it. Oh for the record , I could give a fuck less either...
 
sactoking said:
So many people make the immediate and sudden logical brainfart that equates medical care to insurance; once that mistake has been made all subsequent arguments are immediately null and void.
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Thank you.

I must say that the system we have in place is utterly retarded. If I go home for a visit I have no medical coverage and if something was to happen to me what then? I have bank accounts in the USA. Do they just sue me and take my money since I didn't have travel insurance to visit my own damn country?

The whole idea of needing insurance to get medical care is a joke. There should be care for everyone. If you want special care go ahead and pay an insurance company to cover you so that you can get exclusive care like a doctor at your house or massages with happy endings. However I shouldn't need insurance to get care. Get rid of the whole public system and raise taxes. It has to be cheaper than the enormous amount we pay now. The system we have now encourages people to use the Emergency room for basic care so now if you have an emergency you have to wait and wait. I went in for a sprained ankle and it took hours and they tried to bill me $1600. Yes, $1600 and of that $100 was for one pill of Tylenol.

I remember when I got Cobra I had a premium of something like $200 a month. After 2 months they raised it. I then went on vacation since I wasn't working and they wouldn't cover that. So I ended up having to pay my $290 a month or whatever it was plus $60 a month for travel insurance.
 
UberNeuman said:
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Hey, he can't help it. At least under Obamacare, he can get the treatment he needs soon as it wouldn't be considered a preexisting condition! :thumbsup:

Seriously, I agree with this guy about the PPaACA, aka "Obamacare". However, he needs to wise up to the culture of this forum lest he be banned for offering free ipods.
 
I'm glad people are going to be forced to buy some kind of coverage, I'll give you an example why: we have a young guy at work, 22, his GF just had a baby 6 months ago, it was delivered at Halifax Hospital, a local taxpayer supported one. When his GF had the kid he was with the company through a temp agency, now he's on full-time so I ask/remind him it's the time of year to sign up for insurance (or make changes), "I don't need it" he replies, so I come back, "what about your kid, don't you want better for him?", "meh, I owe the hospital $50K, I send 'em a buck a month. He's not smart enough to understand that the 50K debt is on his credit record and will affect his ability to buy a house, a car, on credit, he still doesn't care, thing is our co is a bigger one and offers several choices for ins. coverage, it's not too bad money wise he just wants his healthcare to be free for life while my property tax bills includes $$ paid to the hospital for indigent care, it just pisses me off, people with this attitude..
 
BUTCH1 said:
I'm glad people are going to be forced to buy some kind of coverage, I'll give you an example why: we have a young guy at work, 22, his GF just had a baby 6 months ago, it was delivered at Halifax Hospital, a local taxpayer supported one. When his GF had the kid he was with the company through a temp agency, now he's on full-time so I ask/remind him it's the time of year to sign up for insurance (or make changes), "I don't need it" he replies, so I come back, "what about your kid, don't you want better for him?", "meh, I owe the hospital $50K, I send 'em a buck a month. He's not smart enough to understand that the 50K debt is on his credit record and will affect his ability to buy a house, a car, on credit, he still doesn't care, thing is our co is a bigger one and offers several choices for ins. coverage, it's not too bad money wise he just wants his healthcare to be free for life while my property tax bills includes $$ paid to the hospital for indigent care, it just pisses me off, people with this attitude..
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It doesn't piss you off that he was billed $50,000 to have a baby?
 
Ausm said:
I guess that shoots all the Rightists in ass who claim "we've got the BEST healthcare in the world"!
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LMAO!!! This ranking was done in 2000 and not done since.

From the link.

T[SIZE=-1]he World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task. [/SIZE]
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Actually that is the latest information available.




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Londo_Jowo said:
LMAO!!! This ranking was done in 2000 and not done since.

From the link.
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Until the PPaACA, how would this have changed? Nothing transformative happened in terms of care and insurance since 2000. We were still largely under the same system we had until 2008, while the rest of the first world had their various universal systems already in place. That statistic is still relevant when discussing the PPaACA.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
If Obamacare is supposed to make healthcare more affordable why have my rates gone up by 15% to 20% this year and next year?
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Rates are going to go up as insurance compaines are being taxed more. Along with medical practices are being taxed more, so they charge more, sor insurance has to cover more.

Add in the fact that this plan requires so much money to implement, we are looking at a tax increase latter on to keep it funded.

Medical professions will either have to accept this, or move out of the counrty (which slowly the have been), which means less doctors, longer wait times and again higher prices for insurance to cover.


The plan makes sense, theoretically, but some of the measures in the law along with people will always abuse such systems, makes it so this system will fail, and should include some counter measures.
 
Bill Wiltrack said:
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Actually that is the latest information available.




Shit...someone is actually READING my posts?




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Yes. Stop with the large formatting and knock it off with the animated gifs. This isn't 1999. We do read your posts, and some of us do so AT WORK. Your last gif wasn't appropriate for legitimate political discussion.
 
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