Obamacare delayed- To help elect democrats

[piasabird]

The way they wrote Obammacare where they can change the law overnight without any care in the world is complete anarchy. Just arbitrarily issuing wavers to extend implementation for businesses and not individuals is uneaqual application of the law. This is anarchy where the people in change can write new laws on a whim and the people have no recourse or remedy for their oppression. This is like making Obamma a King. They put the same kind of safegaurds into the immigration bill giving the government the ability to make an exception at any time. This will also make Obamma like a king. We need to stop this kind of legislation and gain control of the government back in the hands of the people.

 

[xaeniac]

obamacare delayed because it is a crap plan.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The way they wrote Obammacare where they can change the law overnight without any care in the world is complete anarchy. Just arbitrarily issuing wavers to extend implementation for businesses and not individuals is uneaqual application of the law. This is anarchy where the people in change can write new laws on a whim and the people have no recourse or remedy for their oppression. This is like making Obamma a King. They put the same kind of safegaurds into the immigration bill giving the government the ability to make an exception at any time. This will also make Obamma like a king. We need to stop this kind of legislation and gain control of the government back in the hands of the people.

rofl you are way too funny!! Entertaining and absolutely the best village idiot I have ever run across!!

 

[buckshot24]

The way they wrote Obammacare where they can change the law overnight without any care in the world is complete anarchy. Just arbitrarily issuing wavers to extend implementation for businesses and not individuals is uneaqual application of the law. This is anarchy where the people in change can write new laws on a whim and the people have no recourse or remedy for their oppression. This is like making Obamma a King. They put the same kind of safegaurds into the immigration bill giving the government the ability to make an exception at any time. This will also make Obamma like a king. We need to stop this kind of legislation and gain control of the government back in the hands of the people.

Welcome to the People's Republic of America!

 

[Jhhnn]

Probably not. Medicare and SS aren't actually succeeding if you consider that they are going broke either.

SS has a Govt Trust of nearly $3T, built up over the last 30 years since RR "saved" it. I know Righties very much want to deny that, to pretend that such obligation doesn't exist. Medicare was never intended to break even, but rather to receive govt subsidies along with individual contributions. Congress can change the balance if they so choose.

So you don't have a problem with trying to undo it through the same process?

Only through the process of majority rules. Repubs' attempts aren't that- they attempt to dictate from a minority position.

Here's a poll for you....

Would you prefer to be physically fit?

Yes/No/No opinion

Would you be willing to wake up early and workout before work?

Yes/No/No opinion

Of course people are happy to get the "goodies" but ask them if they like the negative aspects of the law and I'm sure you'd get much different results.

I offered actual polling, and you obfuscate with analogy? Really?

Who gives a shit who may have come up with the law 20 years ago? Hack.

Bottom line is that this law expands federal governmental power and I don't like that. The IRS is already powerful enough without them caring if I had a prostate exam or whether I purchase a product or not. I don't care if Ronald Reagan himself came up with this shit, I don't like it along with millions of other people.

So, uhh, modern Repubs have the right to distance themselves from their own history on the basis of pure partisanship? If Obama likes it they hate it, because he's the Evil One?

At least they're not whining about how Clinton "stole their issues".

Of course you "don't like it", wanting to maintain a position of privilege.

 

[Jhhnn]

So successful, that our Government is considered bankrupt and is having trouble obtaining credit?

So successful, that beyond Government Party members, that rape the public and get rich on the average American who is getting fucked harder, and harder?

Fuck Medicare and Social Security.

-John

Our govt has no problem obtaining credit. If they did, we'd be paying much higher rates, like Greece, but we aren't.

Don't let facts interfere with the formulation of your opinion, OK?

Fuck SS & Medicare because govt fatcats rape the public? SS & Medicare benefit people who worked all their lives, and are often all that people have to live on.

 

[Incorruptible]

Our govt has no problem obtaining credit. If they did, we'd be paying much higher rates, like Greece, but we aren't.

Don't let facts interfere with the formulation of your opinion, OK?

Fuck SS & Medicare because govt fatcats rape the public? SS & Medicare benefit people who worked all their lives, and are often all that people have to live on.

Because they were screwed by the government you moron.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Because they were screwed by the government you moron.

I'd call you dense as a brick, but that would be an insult to bricks.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because they were screwed by the government you moron.

Screwed how, exactly?

 

[buckshot24]

SS has a Govt Trust of nearly $3T, built up over the last 30 years since RR "saved" it. I know Righties very much want to deny that, to pretend that such obligation doesn't exist. Medicare was never intended to break even, but rather to receive govt subsidies along with individual contributions. Congress can change the balance if they so choose.

What are you talking about? Who's pretending obligations don't exist?

Only through the process of majority rules. Repubs' attempts aren't that- they attempt to dictate from a minority position.

So if you're in the minority just bend over and lube up? Sorry, that isn't how its done and you know it.

I offered actual polling, and you obfuscate with analogy? Really?

I used the analogy to highlight how the poll questions are just about the goodies people will receive not the pain it will take to get them. I'm sorry if it flew over your head.

So, uhh, modern Repubs have the right to distance themselves from their own history on the basis of pure partisanship?

Or maybe they changed their minds? But like I said it doesn't matter if Barry Goldwater had an idea or Barry Obama. If the idea is x it is x. If some republicans liked it because it was proposed by other republicans then they screwed up and should be booted out of office. I don't want the fucking government further up my ass, period. You apparently do.

But should Democrats be held to the racist policies Dems proposed back in the 40s? If an idea is wrong it's wrong no matter who proposes it.

If Obama likes it they hate it, because he's the Evil One?

Thats just pulled out of your ass. The health care law sucks.

Of course you "don't like it", wanting to maintain a position of privilege.

What privilege? You're a fucking pathetic joke.

 

[ivwshane]

What are you talking about? Who's pretending obligations don't exist?

So if you're in the minority just bend over and lube up? Sorry, that isn't how its done and you know it.

I used the analogy to highlight how the poll questions are just about the goodies people will receive not the pain it will take to get them. I'm sorry if it flew over your head.

Or maybe they changed their minds? But like I said it doesn't matter if Barry Goldwater had an idea or Barry Obama. If the idea is x it is x. If some republicans liked it because it was proposed by other republicans then they screwed up and should be booted out of office. I don't want the fucking government further up my ass, period. You apparently do.

But should Democrats be held to the racist policies Dems proposed back in the 40s? If an idea is wrong it's wrong no matter who proposes it.

Thats just pulled out of your ass. The health care law sucks.
What privilege? You're a fucking pathetic joke.

Yep the ACA sucks. So who in congress is proposing a better system? No one? Then I'll take the ACA over what we had previously.

 

[zinfamous]

is the dailymail also on your do not read list of news sources?

If you consider the DailyMail as your premium tier of honest reporting then, well, then....shit, carry on man.


there is no hope.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yep the ACA sucks. So who in congress is proposing a better system? No one? Then I'll take the ACA over what we had previously.

Neither the Republicans nor Democrats want good reform. The ACA? Looks like a case of "be careful what you ask for".

I'll get paid, so really that doesn't matter, but regulatory nightmares will lead to a lower quality of care. I can jump through so the guys with badges and guns win. You? Sorry but I don't have time. I'm taking a break for a few. Had an elderly woman come in for her meds. It's not easy for her to get out but she'll be back later for her husband's which I knew about. There's a staggering fine for me letting her know these sorts of things. In days past we'd have saved her the trip, but Uncle Sam says no so we're gagged. Much more to come I'm site, but people got "something". I figure 10 years and I'm out. Can't think of who would want to replace me once it all kicks in.

 

[buckshot24]

Yep the ACA sucks. So who in congress is proposing a better system? No one? Then I'll take the ACA over what we had previously.

Why do we even need a nationalized system?

 

[ivwshane]

Why do we even need a nationalized system?

Is there a better system? Or are you implying that our health care system was fine before ACA was passed?

 

[Jhhnn]

What are you talking about? Who's pretending obligations don't exist?

You, by claiming that SS is going broke. It's not.

So if you're in the minority just bend over and lube up? Sorry, that isn't how its done and you know it.

I used the analogy to highlight how the poll questions are just about the goodies people will receive not the pain it will take to get them. I'm sorry if it flew over your head.

Repubs had numerous opportunities to contribute to the formulation of Healthcare reform. In truth, many of the provisions were made in an attempt to get them on board. They took an *entirely partisan us against them* attitude, wanting only to add poison pills in their burning desire to make it Obama's Waterloo.

A loyal opposition, a constructive minority takes a different approach, bends the results by making positive contributions to the process.

OTOH, we're talking about the Party of No, the most obstructionist Congressional minority in history, remember?

Or maybe they changed their minds? But like I said it doesn't matter if Barry Goldwater had an idea or Barry Obama. If the idea is x it is x. If some republicans liked it because it was proposed by other republicans then they screwed up and should be booted out of office. I don't want the fucking government further up my ass, period. You apparently do.

But should Democrats be held to the racist policies Dems proposed back in the 40s? If an idea is wrong it's wrong no matter who proposes it.

Dems renounced those policies in the 60's, long ago, which resulted in southern Dems switching to being Republicans, the party who panders to their fear & prejudice today.

Thats just pulled out of your ass. The health care law sucks.
What privilege? You're a fucking pathetic joke.

Sputtering in Denial. Repubs set out to make much needed healthcare reform into a purely partisan circus, and they succeeded. They're still doing it today, whining about every last detail, including delayed implementation that they've demanded all along. Can't have it both ways, other than in the convenient memories of Righties.

Privilege? There's no greater expression of privilege than your general attitude about your fellow Americans- "I got mine. Screw you!"

 

[Incorruptible]

Is there a better system? Or are you implying that our health care system was fine before ACA was passed?

Listen you moron. You need to read the Constitution. If you like nationalized healthcare then go move to Europe.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Listen you moron. You need to read the Constitution. If you like nationalized healthcare then go move to Europe.

I've read the Constitution, there isn't anything about being an Islamophobe in it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You, by claiming that SS is going broke. It's not.



Repubs had numerous opportunities to contribute to the formulation of Healthcare reform. In truth, many of the provisions were made in an attempt to get them on board. They took an *entirely partisan us against them* attitude, wanting only to add poison pills in their burning desire to make it Obama's Waterloo.

A loyal opposition, a constructive minority takes a different approach, bends the results by making positive contributions to the process.

OTOH, we're talking about the Party of No, the most obstructionist Congressional minority in history, remember?



Dems renounced those policies in the 60's, long ago, which resulted in southern Dems switching to being Republicans, the party who panders to their fear & prejudice today.



Sputtering in Denial. Repubs set out to make much needed healthcare reform into a purely partisan circus, and they succeeded. They're still doing it today, whining about every last detail, including delayed implementation that they've demanded all along. Can't have it both ways, other than in the convenient memories of Righties.

Privilege? There's no greater expression of privilege than your general attitude about your fellow Americans- "I got mine. Screw you!"

I need a pic of two clown cars battling.

 

[zinfamous]

Listen you moron. You need to read the Constitution. If you like nationalized healthcare then go move to Europe.

Why do you support Muslim extremists?

 

[Thebobo]

Listen you moron. You need to read the Constitution. If you like nationalized healthcare then go move to Europe.

Jost going to go out on a limb here and say that asking someone to listen to you followed by calling them a moron probably means that they are not going to listen to you. Just saying.

Also the you could've mentioned Canada, its a lot closer.

 

[Jhhnn]

I need a pic of two clown cars battling.

You've engaged in concern trolling throughout the thread, and when that doesn't work, you go straight for false equivalency by derision.

It's obvious that the ACA is less than perfect, and just as obvious that you use the perfect as the enemy of the good.

Is this delay combined with outreach to small business a good thing, or a bad thing? How do we make the ACA better? Or would you just prefer to whine & join Repubs in sniping, grumbling & back biting?

 

[Jhhnn]

Jost going to go out on a limb here and say that asking someone to listen to you followed by calling them a moron probably means that they are not going to listen to you. Just saying.

Also the you could've mentioned Canada, its a lot closer.

Don't expect much. He still hasn't explained precisely how govt has screwed workers with SS, but he still believes it with all his heart & soul.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You've engaged in concern trolling throughout the thread, and when that doesn't work, you go straight for false equivalency by derision.

It's obvious that the ACA is less than perfect, and just as obvious that you use the perfect as the enemy of the good.

Is this delay combined with outreach to small business a good thing, or a bad thing? How do we make the ACA better? Or would you just prefer to whine & join Repubs in sniping, grumbling & back biting?

Actually I had ideas about how to go about reforming health care and was shouted down- by Democrats. This was while we were collectively in the "talking about" phase and it was made clear that apolitical ideas dealing with concerns were not wanted. Republicans? Complaining about them was like yelling at an autistic child. There are huge problems comong up. Know what Alzheimers will cost annually when it really kicks in? Neither does DC it seems.

I'm making a clear distinction between health care legislation and funding which is what the ACA is about. It's who has to spend on what which seems innocuous enough, but it is top down depending on regulations instead of creativity and knowledge.

I've calculated that I spend 10 to 15% of my time on trying to get paid claims. Other providers have to deal with the dreaded "prior authorization" nonsense. In theory is supposed to save money but in the majority of cases things are approved after delays in treatment and a lot of man hours. Why? Dems da regs.

Several years ago geriatricians did an analysis and found one thing could be done which would improve outcomes, detect ailments before there was a complaint and would save untold billions while eliminating unnecessary duplication of tests and tying up the system. I'm not going to tell you what that is, but see if you can find where the ACA does that. Oh, no complex regulatory scheme is needed nor any bureaucracy needed.

Now if you want to continue with beneficial solutions I'll go with it but I'm interested in health care not political hay.

 

[buckshot24]

Privilege? There's no greater expression of privilege than your general attitude about your fellow Americans- "I got mine. Screw you!"

I don't think you really help people by giving them stuff for free over an extended period of time. Sure, temporarily is fine but creating a level of dependency where they can't wipe their asses without help doesn't do anybody any good. Plus it wasn't like we didn't have a health care system in place to help the poor already. We could have done some tweaks with medicaid and gotten better results imo. This bill wasn't about that, it was about control. I can't wait to prove to the IRS that I had a prostate exam. Save your fucking receipts!

The problem with you is you want to help people YOUR way and anybody else just wants people to suffer. I'm sure you truly want to help them but I simply disagree with the method of help and I'm the asshole?