Obama working to create unsecured boarder with Mexico

[trenchfoot]

I hate to spoil some people's fun, but if the federal gov't, with the apparent blessing of many its own citizens, refuse to acknowledge and strenuously pursue, prosecute and convict those owners of businesses who break the law via hiring illegals for higher profits, the flow of illegals will continue unabated.

For the fact that American business owners have followed the mantra of "If you can't ship the jobs out for more profit, then just let dirt cheap labor in" we will never stem the flow of illegals until that nasty habit changes.

The problem isn't at our borders. It's located at every business in this country that see fit to break the law for higher profits via hiring illegals.

 

[dank69]

Can we ban michal1980 until he agrees to fix the spelling of border? If you're going to bitch about an issue you know little to nothing about, at least spell it correctly.

90%+ of his threads have at least one spelling/grammar mistake in the title. There was a stretch there where he achieved 100% for awhile.

 

[dank69]

destianting

 

[SMOGZINN]

Why even bother having a border and laws? Just let all Mexicans become USA citizens whenever they want.

I don't really see the outrage here. This just means we move the enforcement part of the boarder a few miles north. If illegal aliens want to camp in our national monument then that is a problem of the park rangers. Hopefully they are not smarter then an average bear.

I promise you if most illegal aliens were white the liberals and democrats would NOT be bending over backwards for them.

And if they were white the Conservatives and Republicans would not be up in arms about them coming here.

 

[nehalem256]

I hate to spoil some people's fun, but if the federal gov't, with the apparent blessing of many its own citizens, refuse to acknowledge and strenuously pursue, prosecute and convict those owners of businesses who break the law via hiring illegals for higher profits, the flow of illegals will continue unabated.

For the fact that American business owners have followed the mantra of "If you can't ship the jobs out for more profit, then just let dirt cheap labor in" we will never stem the flow of illegals until that nasty habit changes.

The problem isn't at our borders. It's located at every business in this country that see fit to break the law for higher profits via hiring illegals.

It isn't the job of businesses to enforce immigration laws.

If police can't verify immigration statues why should businesses be expected to?

 

[trenchfoot]

It isn't the job of businesses to enforce immigration laws.

If police can't verify immigration statues why should businesses be expected to?

Good point. But don't you think this problem with verification would disappear in an instant if those business owners who do hire illegals en masse, you know, like many of our super big agribusinesses and the like that continue to reap huge profits from hiring illegals, insisted that our federal and state gov'ts provide the necessary means and infrastructure to weed out illegals at the time of screening them for possible employment?

There is no incentive to structure an logical and efficient means of screening during the employment process because those businesses that employ illegals for higher profits don't want it. OTOH, there is every incentive for these businesses to point to how difficult and encumbered the current process is so as to keep the flow and pool of illegals going.

The federal gov't would respond to these business owners or to the citizens at large with an acceptable means if it felt the pressure that's needed to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

Blaming the gov't for the difficulty our businesses have in verifying citizenship is simply an excuse by those businesses that don't want an efficient means to begin with. They won't be able to hire illegals and these businesses rely on illegals for their higher profit margins, ergo the status quo.

 

[nehalem256]

Good point. But don't you think this problem with verification would disappear in an instant if those business owners who do hire illegals en masse, you know, like many of our super big agribusinesses and the like that continue to reap huge profits from hiring illegals, insisted that our federal and state gov'ts provide the necessary means and infrastructure to weed out illegals at the time of screening them for possible employment?

There is no incentive to structure an logical and efficient means of screening during the employment process because those businesses that employ illegals for higher profits don't want it. OTOH, there is every incentive for these businesses to point to how difficult and encumbered the current process is so as to keep the flow and pool of illegals going.

The federal gov't would respond to these business owners or to the citizens at large with an acceptable means if it felt the pressure that's needed to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

Blaming the gov't for the difficulty our businesses have in verifying citizenship is simply an excuse by those businesses that don't want an efficient means to begin with. They won't be able to hire illegals and these businesses rely on illegals for their higher profit margins, ego the status quo.

I have no issue with forcing businesses to make reasonable attempts to verify legal status.

I just find it absurd that many of the people who want businesses to verify legal status pitch a fit about having actual law enforcement verify legal status.

 

[trenchfoot]

I have no issue with forcing businesses to make reasonable attempts to verify legal status.

I just find it absurd that many of the people who want businesses to verify legal status pitch a fit about having actual law enforcement verify legal status.

I understand that. Given the present circumstances, pressure for streamlining the verification process needs to come from those businesses who don't want it in the first place. Therefore, the pressure that's required to streamline the verification process needs to come from the folks who are most concerned with the problem of illegal immigration at large. And that pressure needs to be aimed at those businesses who go out of their way to hire illegals or don't care whether they hire illegals or not.

Blaming the gov't for not enforcing the law against hiring illegals is useless when the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of those who profit the most from this difficulty and who thus want things to remain just the way they are.

 

[piasabird]

Create wilderness areas in Virginia, Georgia, Florida, New York, DC. Why does DC want to steal land from the North West?

 

[hal2kilo]

I hate to spoil some people's fun, but if the federal gov't, with the apparent blessing of many its own citizens, refuse to acknowledge and strenuously pursue, prosecute and convict those owners of businesses who break the law via hiring illegals for higher profits, the flow of illegals will continue unabated.

For the fact that American business owners have followed the mantra of "If you can't ship the jobs out for more profit, then just let dirt cheap labor in" we will never stem the flow of illegals until that nasty habit changes.

The problem isn't at our borders. It's located at every business in this country that see fit to break the law for higher profits via hiring illegals.

I'm always amazed at the hipocracy/disconnect of people who complain about illegals, then the first time they need some heavy yard work or basic labor head straight for the Home Depot parking lot.

 

[nehalem256]

I understand that. Given the present circumstances, pressure for streamlining the verification process needs to come from those businesses who don't want it in the first place. Therefore, the pressure that's required to streamline the verification process needs to come from the folks who are most concerned with the problem of illegal immigration at large. And that pressure needs to be aimed at those businesses who go out of their way to hire illegals or don't care whether they hire illegals or not.

Blaming the gov't for not enforcing the law against hiring illegals is useless when the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of those who profit the most from this difficulty and who thus want things to remain just the way they are.

I am blaming the government for keeping law enforcement from verifying immigration status.

And you do realize that other public institutions such as schools are also prohibited from checking immigration status.

 

[bshole]

destianting

Yea I saw that too, is that a term right wingers made up? What does it mean?

 

[CLite]

Create wilderness areas in Virginia, Georgia, Florida, New York, DC. Why does DC want to steal land from the North West?

You may want to brush up on geography.

 

[shira]

low quality because of the amount of douchbag trolling by the likes of you.


That's the SOP for the left around here, shoot down destianting views, label everyone that's not a flaming liberal a troll.

and as an FYI, I based my post on the information from the Washington times, why don't you guys go troll them that their reporting is bad?

Maybe you should learn to read critically so that you can determine for yourself that the reporting sucks. Then you wouldn't create so many lame thread and follow up with so many lame posts. And the rest of us wouldn't need to waste our time on the endless task of correcting all of your errors.

still don't know the official boundary lines so who knows where the boarder will be.

Still doesn't make sense to have an area we cannot patrol so close to a boarder that millions of illegals use.

You might also want to learn to spell. Though for the life of me I cannot even guess how "dissenting" became "destianting." Just remember that sticking sharp objects too far up your nose is really bad for your brain.

 

[hal2kilo]

You may want to brush up on geography.

It's like he was posting in a different thread or something.

 

[boomerang]

And the rest of us wouldn't need to waste our time on the endless task of correcting all of your errors.

You made a conscious choice to "waste your time" in this thread. Have you ever asked yourself why? Compulsion? Obsession?

 

[DominionSeraph]

That's the SOP for the left around here, shoot down destianting views, label everyone that's not a flaming liberal a troll.

Where do you think you are? These are the Anandtech forums -- the forums for a site dedicated to blowing past marketing hype and delivering sober reality. Yet here you are, a rabid far-right fanboy bringing in conservative talk propaganda as though it is truth and you expect to get anything other than disrespect?
"I have an opinion! I'm involved!"
You're an idiot who can't even begin to tell the difference between stories created and spun to appeal to your biases and reality.

 

[shortylickens]

low quality because of the amount of douchbag trolling by the likes of you.


That's the SOP for the left around here, shoot down destianting views, label everyone that's not a flaming liberal a troll.

and as an FYI, I based my post on the information from the Washington times, why don't you guys go troll them that their reporting is bad?

still don't know the official boundary lines so who knows where the boarder will be.

Still doesn't make sense to have an area we cannot patrol so close to a boarder that millions of illegals use.

I looked up that word.

Its not a word.

Did you mean "dissenting" ?

 

[WHAMPOM]

The "what de'fuck!" is strong in this topic. Hope God extends my life equal to the time I used reading it.

 

[brycejones]

The "what de'fuck!" is strong in this topic. Hope God extends my life equal to the time I used reading it.

Notice how the OP has bailed?

 

[michal1980]

Notice how the OP has bailed?

how have I bailed? What requirement do I have to post in this thread?

Once the official maps are out I might post again. But so far nothings changed:

Obama made this area a national monument and in doing so prohibits new roads, new buildings and patrols to occur. The two democratic senators tired to amend the original bill to include a 5 miles buffer from the border but Obama enacted the original draft.

 

[DominionSeraph]

how have I bailed?

By leaving.

What requirement do I have to post in this thread?

You put your name to it. Now you're bailing thinking that as long as you're quiet nobody will associate your name with "shit." WAAAAAAAAY too late for that. Every post you make just adds a turd to the pile.

 

[BUnit1701]

Funny how so many don't understand this.

A country erects walls to keep people in. Or to keep people out to preserve its statism, usually welfare state. Norway, Sweden ect have strict immigration policy. Because the welfare state demands it.

And the common complaint in this country about illegal immigrants is their drag on, *drumb roll*, our welfare state! So what is the response by many on the right who are so called "free market" thinkers? Use the state to artificially restrict the flow of human capital.

Well, not quite, but anytime we say we want welfare rolled back we get called heartless racists...

 

[MrPickins]

The longer the typo stays in the title, the dumber the OP looks...

 

[IronWing]

how have I bailed? What requirement do I have to post in this thread?

Once the official maps are out I might post again. But so far nothings changed:

Obama made this area a national monument and in doing so prohibits new roads, new buildings and patrols to occur. The two democratic senators tired to amend the original bill to include a 5 miles buffer from the border but Obama enacted the original draft.

The proclamation uses the same boundary. Stop making shit up.

Map

Edit: The proclamation also provides the same access for Border Patrol as they have had in the past. Stop making shit up.