oogabooga
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I still don't get how they rate teachers and determine "that one deserves more money that one doesn't". I'm all fine for good teachers getting rewarded and bad teachers getting the can. But whose to say a teacher is good or bad? how is it determined?
You mean parents have to help the Gov't raise children? *scratches head*
This is yet another idiotic idea;
All this will do is change the way teachers teach, they will stop teaching the curriculum and start teaching how to pass the tests. Instead of an education the only thing students will come away with is memorized test answers. The teacher will get a big fat raise because most of his/her students passed with A?s and B?s and they will have the test scores to prove it.
great idea! the first raise should be according to ratings / comments from ratemyprofessor.com usually very accurate.
I am not sure it'd be as easy as you describe it. If memorization is so easy, everyone would get near 1600 on SAT.
I don't have the answer, but how are teachers in Western Europe or Asia got paid? Do they all have union protect their jobs, or there is some measurement to their performance?
Whatever is its, I am glad Obama is in charge and make a change. What good is it to USA if it continues to be at low ranking in education system in a 1st world country?
In CA you get tenure after TWO (2) years. Good God. There were terrible teachers and I mean 2 years is nothing. Arnold put an emergency ballot in 2005? 2006? that pushed it to 5 years and the people voted it down. What's more disgusting is people protested at our school about it being an evil proposition. Seriously?
No way to judge what is good or bad teaching. Pie in the sky idea that sounds good in theory but is impossible in real life. No surprise you got behind this one.
in places like the arctic north (where i live) such a setup would be borderline inhumane, but i could definitely see lengthening the school year substantially.
I do agree with Obama's sentiment and direction on this just look what has happened to county administrators who have pushed the same idea.
It's not going to happen, and at the same time he has ticked off his base. That's what you call a win/win.
It's not going to happen, and at the same time he has ticked off his base. That's what you call a win/win.
They only way to judge them without showing favoritism is statistically against other teachers and they only way to do that is the pass/fail rate of their students which of course will inevitably lead to what I said in a previous post;
Length of the school doesn't matter, it is the quality that matter the most. Even if people push for longer school year, it really mean jack shit if the student are unwilling to learn. You say math and science is lacking? You got to thank teacher union and politic for it. As long as politician are pushing for school not for education but for personal politically gain, nothing good will come out of it. Ever wonder why private school is better? There is no government involvement.
These days people don't really have a choice over whether or not they are in a union. If you work in an area that's unionized, either you (a)become a member, pay your union dues, and abide by whatever they decide, or (b)Don't become a member, still have to pay "non-member" dues to the union, and still abide by whatever they decide.
What do professors--who are hired to do research, not to teach--have to do with high school teachers, who are actually supposed to teach?
MovingTarget
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There are two sides to this coin. A friend of mine (who was in my graduating class) last year was awarded Teacher of the Year by the school he worked at. Two weeks after he, and six other people at other schools who had received similar awards, were given pink slips. Why? Budget cuts. The tenure rules made them cut the newest hires, so no matter how effective they were at their job, they, and the kids, lost out.
On the other side, there is a reason that these rules exist. You really can build up a lot of experience when teaching, and that really does help. You shouldn't have to be worried about your job constantly when you do a good job and shouldn't be subject to what are, lets face it, often political firings.
Honestly though, the federal gvt needs to but out here. Let this be sorted out by the states without requiring that they spend a bunch of $$ that they still don't have, with little result (NCLB). Unfunded mandates are a drain on the already-stretched system. :thumbsdown:
On the other side, there is a reason that these rules exist. You really can build up a lot of experience when teaching, and that really does help. You shouldn't have to be worried about your job constantly when you do a good job and shouldn't be subject to what are, lets face it, often political firings.
Honestly though, the federal gvt needs to but out here. Let this be sorted out by the states without requiring that they spend a bunch of $$ that they still don't have, with little result (NCLB). Unfunded mandates are a drain on the already-stretched system. :thumbsdown:
MovingTarget
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In private schools, maybe. However, in the public schools, a lot of these scales are determined by the state/system at large with no room for individual salary negotiation.
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Already on the way. Honestly, it's not such a bad idea, or at least it's not any worse than the current school system.
Honestly, I think student surveys for judging teachers would be fine, but they should be filtered and individual (each student has some sort of alphanumeric string or something) so they would weed out any results from kids that mark everyone highly/poorly.
Keep dreaming the union will tell Obama to take a hike. I like the idea but it just won't work thanks to the teachers union.
I think we need to make better use of the voucher system. Put pressure on the in efficient school districts to do better with good old fashion competition.
JEDIYoda
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Just because a progranm such as this was administered wrong does not mean that is has No merits!!
We have many many teachers who can`t teach bottom line.
When I was in college the joke was so what are you going to do with yourself now that you have a degree and cannot make it in your chosen field? Well I am going to be a teacher was quite often the reply!!
Sad...huh??
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