Obama wants to give pay raises for performing teachers

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: spidey07
Agree that the teachers union will never allow it. Here in KY they let a few teachers go for things like not showing up for a month, showing up drunk everyday, etc.

The union is outraged and is suing to get them reinstated.

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It's a good idea, give it a shot. I just don't see those goals as attainable given the teacher's unions.

Stories like that are what give unions a bad name.

Especially when they're made up by people like spidey07.

Not saying their aren't bad teachers who deserve to be fired, but I'm also fairly confident the teacher's union did not sue to get a teacher that showed up to work drunk everyday reinstated to their job.

I've heard similar stories elsewhere, from sources I do know to be reliable.

Well, please provide links to them. I am betting the union fighting to keep drunks in the classroom with our children is newsworthy.

He can`t provide links....bottom line is got the most part they are fabricated stories.
if he does find any link on the subject its does not go into details at all...it is very vague...

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Marlin1975



And that is a example of bag mangment, not the union.

I know of several cases where MGT put someone on paid admin leave and did not touch it for over a year.


Bad MGT/Admin's do not equal super powers by the union.

Just curious. Is there anything a union can do wrong in your world?

Yea but if you have good Admin/MGT then it would be taken care of.


I work AGAINST the union all the time. I am part of MGT in the HR team for the Fed Gov (State Dept). So we don;t have these problems as we take care of them. State Dept does not have as many of these issues as other Departments as we are very proactive for the most part. I have been part of firing someone several times and each time we did it right and their appeal failed.

So I speak of first hand experiance, you?

Marlin, unions have far less power in the federal government landscape; they were neutered back in the Reagan era. That said, what you're dealing is likely a watered down version of unions compared to what other folks are relegated to dealing without the backing of federal law prohibiting unions from striking, just for an example.

Remember when the air traffic controllers went on strike in the 80's? They were all shit canned, and that power of the federal government remains in place to this day

 

[Acanthus]

The 1st set of rules for good management.

Everyone doing the same job gets paid roughly the same fair wage.

Increasing their wage will not improve performance as long as the wage they are already recieving is fair and competitive.

No merit-based raises. They create competition and alliances of employees.

What you measure, will always improve. Make sure the teachers know that performance is being watched. You dont have to be on their ass (standardized testing) but you can evaluate performance through student, peer, and superior review.

Be friendly with your employees unless there is a problem. If there is a problem, you let the teacher know immediatly that their nuts on the block. If they repeat their problems, give em the axe. This is not hard to do if you follow the procedure via the teachers union guidelines.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://michellemalkin.com/2009...s-up-with-la-teachers/

They aren't going to go easy...

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Guess my ex who is going for teaching won't be getting tenured now....

 

[Thraxen]

The general idea is fine, but there are MANY pitfalls with this. Sure, most jobs are performance based, but teachers are, to a degree, at the mercy of the kids. To be blunt, sometimes you just get stupid kids or kids that simply don't give a shit thanks to their parents (or lack thereof). And teachers can't simply fire or easily get rid of these kids.

You also can't make a blanket set of standards. If you did then teachers that teacher higher level classes (e.g. A.P.) are naturally going to have an advantage because they'll have the bulk of the smart kids. On the flip side, how to you judge teachers teaching various "special needs" type classes? Or what about teacher in schools that have large populations of ESL students?

I'm sure much of this will be taken into account, or at least I'd hope so, but as good as this sounds on paper there are going to major problems.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Sounds good to me. Between this, ending farm subsidies, etc., though, he's probably not winning a lot of brownie points with the people who voted for him.

Last I checked, Bush/other Republicans wanted to hold teachers accountable via pay and fire poor ones, a LONG time ago. But Democrats and the TEA cried no.

Bush also veto'ed the farm bill.