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Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

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IronWing said:
It's the employers who are pocketing the difference. Socialize costs, privatize profits. Find a way to push the societal costs of illegal immigration back on the employers of illegal immigrants and the problem will be greatly diminished.
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Yeah, the simple answer is don't hire them and fine the hell out of businesses that do.
senseamp said:
I don't think it would. Like I said, if someone is talented, they can take my job from their home country.
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That's scary. Many sewing factories/employees lost their ass to nafta and then globalization. Do we even make anything here anymore?

You are specialized per your posts. Are you smarter than 1.5M Indians? They could take your American job for pennies. I hope not for you and yours.



Anyone else on 386?
 
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Matt1970 said:
You may be median income in the area you live in, but you are not middle class. You are kidding yourself.
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Maybe. But it's middle class lifestyle for what I earn in my area. $800k buys a 1500 sf 3br house in so-so gentrifying mixed white/blue-collar middle-class area around here. Nicer areas, we are talking $1M+ for same house. A larger house that would be considered upper middle class anywhere in the country would be $2M around here.
 
highland145 said:
Yeah, the simple answer is don't hire them and fine the hell out of businesses that do.

That's scary. Many sewing factories/employees lost their ass to nafta and then globalization. Do we even make anything here anymore?

You are specialized per your posts. Are you smarter than 1.5M Indians? They could take your American job for pennies. I hope not for you and yours.



Anyone else on 386?
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My company has offices and I am sure plenty of smart employees in India. They are paid not pennies, but a lot less than me, but I am still employed, and they consider it worthwhile to offer me raises every year in order to retain my services. I make it a point to interview and find out my market price once in a while, and got similar offers from other companies, so I have reasons to believe it's not a fluke.
In tech, employees are expensive, but not as expensive as losing.
 
senseamp said:
My company has offices and I am sure plenty of smart employees in India. They are paid not pennies, but a lot less than me, but I am still employed, and they consider it worthwhile to offer me raises every year in order to retain my services. I make it a point to interview and find out my market price once in a while, and got similar offers from other companies, so I have reasons to believe it's not a fluke.
In tech, employees are expensive, but not as expensive as losing.
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I hope you make bank but that's just you. What about the rest of my post?
 
senseamp said:
Maybe. But it's middle class lifestyle for what I earn in my area. $800k buys a 1500 sf 3br house in so-so gentrifying mixed white/blue-collar middle-class area around here. Nicer areas, we are talking $1M+ for same house. A larger house that would be considered upper middle class anywhere in the country would be $2M around here.
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So in 20 years you can sell your house for over a mill and have probably more than that in savings/retirement. A few mill will get you a very comfortable lifestyle in almost any part of the country. Still think you are middle class? Middle class around here and probably in most parts of the country means in 30 years after you pay off the mortgage hopefully you will have enough of a pension/401k/SS to pay property taxes and have enough to live on.
 
highland145 said:
I hope you make bank but that's just you. What about the rest of my post?
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It needs work, IMO. It just does't feel sufficiently logically connected to me.
You are talking about illegal minimum wage workers getting EITC and about the middle class being squeezed.
Then it turns out that you mean it's not those minimum wage workers who will be squeezing middle class, but recent college grads legally here on OPT.
It's not good flow to the post.
 
Matt1970 said:
So in 20 years you can sell your house for over a mill and have probably more than that in savings/retirement. A few mill will get you a very comfortable lifestyle in almost any part of the country. Still think you are middle class? Middle class around here and probably in most parts of the country means in 30 years after you pay off the mortgage hopefully you will have enough of a pension/401k/SS to pay property taxes and have enough to live on.
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You can sell your house and move to a third world country, and live like a king.
Does that make you rich?
 
Fern said:
For the reasons I outlined in an above post the e-verify isn't a magic bullet.

We've got sufficient laws. We don't have enforcement, likely due to inadequate will and/or resources.

I've had clients where ICE (or whomever, whatever they're called these days) showed up to do a check. They set up tables and work with laptops checking each employee's ID and SS# etc. If they're illegal, they're arrested. But then what happens? They're released and told to come back later. It doesn't happen.

In any case, the employer is fined.

We're just not doing enough of that and passing yet another law making it a crime etc to hire illegal workers isn't going to do squat.

Law - enforcement = nothing.

Fern
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I've already explained to you how the bill adds enforcement, if you still think that's not enough then I look forward to your proposal or the republicans in the house to come up with something. What's that? You don't have a plan and republicans don't either? Well I guess that makes you one of those all it nothing types. Let me know when you come back to reality.
 
ivwshane said:
I've already explained to you how the bill adds enforcement, if you still think that's not enough then I look forward to your proposal or the republicans in the house to come up with something. What's that? You don't have a plan and republicans don't either? Well I guess that makes you one of those all it nothing types. Let me know when you come back to reality.
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So what if the bill add's enforcement?

The president wont implement that enforcement. He's shown time and time again he does not want to enforce immigration law. How are you not getting this?
 
I was watching the morning news and they interviewing people concerning the President's executive action on immigation, several said the President didn't go far enough and one AA preacher was upset that this will make the things worse for minorities due to more people vying for any available jobs.
 
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dmcowen674 said:
Well your Congress buds sat on their asses for all these years so you essentially gave up that ability to make laws. Get over it cupcakes.
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don't worry mcowned, your jobless status is safe. Its further cemented by Obama giving these illegals the right to work. I'm sure you'll continue to bitch about the rich though because you cant see how this hurts you.


PS.

Can you show me where in the constitution it says that if congress doesn't do something the president becomes king?
 
Londo_Jowo said:
I was watching the morning news and they interviewing people concerning the President's executive action on immigation, several said the President didn't go far enough and one AA preacher was upset that this will make the things worse for minorities due to more people vying for any available jobs.
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That would be my guess.
 
senseamp said:
It needs work, IMO. It just does't feel sufficiently logically connected to me.
You are talking about illegal minimum wage workers getting EITC and about the middle class being squeezed.
Then it turns out that you mean it's not those minimum wage workers who will be squeezing middle class, but recent college grads legally here on OPT.
It's not good flow to the post.
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They'd be legal.

Let me run it around a bit and I'll get back with you.
 
senseamp said:
I think I am well compensated for an engineer. That still means middle class here in CA, where houses are around $800k and up.
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bwhahahahah you are NOT middle class.



as for granting amnesty. I am against it but in reality it won't change anything. they are already here.

I do think the US needs to secure the boarder, Go after employers that hire illegal immigrants etc.

illegal immgrants hurt the poor and lower middle class. Also i would add in high school and college kids. When i was in high school you either worked on farms or fast food. good luck on that now. A buddy of mine owns 3 McDonalds. he says that he thinks the guys he hires are illegals but he can't prove it and nobody cares.
 
Reading around a bit it looks like there isn't going to be an executive order issued to implement the President's policy announcement. This will make it more difficult for opponents of the policy to figure out where any legitimate legal challenges might lay. Opponents will have to look for changes in actions, agency by agency, and make a case for the changes being unlawful. Opponents will have to do this for each action they deem unlawful. This will require a bunch of work, lots of time, and the ability to establish standing. In other words, by the time a challenge is perfected and brought to court, President Obama's term will be over. Working on legislation might be a better use of time.
 
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