Obama to sign executive order on Immigration Reform

[OrByte]

News flash CAD...departments do the bidding of law. Regulations are developed with input from agencies...congress...people...and ..... Wait for it

potus

 

[OrByte]

Lack of border security IMO, at least as far as many conservatives are concerned.

What is the "hubub" for those on the left?

Fern

Lack of security at the borders too...Woah.

Ok gotta go damn aanandtechctime wastingmachine

 

[CADsortaGUY]

News flash CAD...departments do the bidding of law. Regulations are developed with input from agencies...congress...people...and ..... Wait for it

potus

Newsflash - congress makes the law - not BHO telling a dept to change how to do things.

 

[michal1980]

Help me out.

If we legalize these millions, then is the only upside more D voters?

They are low wage/skilled so they will take the "just over" minimum wage jobs from Americans and get paid the minimum.

They will suck more $$ in resources than they will ever pay in taxes/ss. Especially if they get the EITC.

The income gap that we hear so much about will increase significantly.

The middle class will be squeezed like a melon.

I'm not seeing an upside. And while the "big companies want cheap labor" argument might be true, they should be fined to the hilt if they knowingly hire illegals...at a minimum. I'd rather their assets be seized.

So what's the upside for America?

The left doesn't care. As long as they get more votes, and more poor people they are happy.

Oh sure they normally complain about low wages, and harsh working conditions, but who cares about that if you can get some more Mexicans to vote for you. While giving your silicon valley buddies some cheap labor, who crares about high paying jobs.

 

[michal1980]

News flash CAD...departments do the bidding of law. Regulations are developed with input from agencies...congress...people...and ..... Wait for it

potus

no

 

[ivwshane]

OrByte and ivwshane

What is it exactly about our current immigration laws that you think need fixed?

Or, to put it another way, some think the current immigration laws are fine but the problem is that they are not enforced.

Ple tell me how they are wrong and what changes are needed.

TIA

Fern

The biggest issue is the hiring of illegals. There is very little in the way of stopping businesses from hiring illegals. The e-verify system isn't an across the board requirement.

 

[Bird222]

We don't work on a solution because there is no common ground between the left and the right, exclusive of the Pubbies' elite. The left needs and wants these people here, and will only accept solutions to that end. The right does not need or want these people here, and will only accept solutions to that end. Time after time we've compromised; time after time the amnesty and welfare provisions take effect, but the increased border security and increased enforcement becomes decreased border security and decreased enforcement. There's not even a bump where we can pretend otherwise.

Given that, why would we continue to help the Dems fundamentally transform America into Mexico? We LIKE America. We like America a lot more than Mexico.

Beyond that, why would anyone simply go along with a President giving himself dictatorial powers to unilaterally change the law?

Wrong.

 

[highland145]

The left doesn't care. As long as they get more votes, and more poor people they are happy.

Oh sure they normally complain about low wages, and harsh working conditions, but who cares about that if you can get some more Mexicans to vote for you. While giving your silicon valley buddies some cheap labor, who crares about high paying jobs.

Thanks, Mike, hope you're not the only response though.

 

[highland145]

Wrong.

Post 386....thoughts?

 

[K1052]

Yeah, I'm thinking the Repubs should threaten to overturn the EO and take the paperwork identifying the 5 million illegals and threaten to use it to deport them. Who wants to sign up now?

Of course, they shouldn't make that public, just do it if they win the Presidency.

Fern

I imagine the Republicans would like to see the inside of the White House from the other side of the desk sometime in the next century so I kind of doubt that's an idea they're tossing around.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. The Repub do-nothing policy satisfies two goals. First, to maintain a supply of illegal rather than legal immigrant labor for business. Business loves 'em, because they have no rights & they know it. Second, it allows them to keep their irrational nativist base all frothed up & blaming Obama for what really is a problem that business creates.

If illegals couldn't work, they wouldn't be here. They never would have come here, put down roots, had children, paid taxes. So why does the system allow them to do that? See above, ya bunch of slathering right wing maroons. The leadership of the Repub party has no intention of cutting off the supply of illegal employment. Figure that out & the rest of it falls into place.

 

[Fern]

The biggest issue is the hiring of illegals. There is very little in the way of stopping businesses from hiring illegals. The e-verify system isn't an across the board requirement.

For the reasons I outlined in an above post the e-verify isn't a magic bullet.

We've got sufficient laws. We don't have enforcement, likely due to inadequate will and/or resources.

I've had clients where ICE (or whomever, whatever they're called these days) showed up to do a check. They set up tables and work with laptops checking each employee's ID and SS# etc. If they're illegal, they're arrested. But then what happens? They're released and told to come back later. It doesn't happen.

In any case, the employer is fined.

We're just not doing enough of that and passing yet another law making it a crime etc to hire illegal workers isn't going to do squat.

Law - enforcement = nothing.

Fern

 

[Wreckem]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-36k-criminals-freed-while-awaiting-deportation/

Heckuva good job!

Fern

ICE and all immigration services are inadqeuately funded. The GOP says they want to be tough on illegal immigrants but they always balk at actually increasing funding for enforcement.

The immigration system does not have the manpower or the money to enforce immigration laws. Neither side has ever proposed to adequately fund the enforcement system.

 

[Fern]

Heh. The Repub do-nothing policy satisfies two goals. First, to maintain a supply of illegal rather than legal immigrant labor for business. Business loves 'em, because they have no rights & they know it. Second, it allows them to keep their irrational nativist base all frothed up & blaming Obama for what really is a problem that business creates.

If illegals couldn't work, they wouldn't be here. They never would have come here, put down roots, had children, paid taxes. So why does the system allow them to do that? See above, ya bunch of slathering right wing maroons. The leadership of the Repub party has no intention of cutting off the supply of illegal employment. Figure that out & the rest of it falls into place.

The "system" doesn't allow it, but the system isn't enforced.

The repubs problem is that they are of two schools:

1. One school demands border security

2. The other school is scared they'll never get Hispanic votes and wants amnesty (without calling it such).

School #1 and #2 don't mix well, or at all.

Fern

 

[highland145]

ICE and all immigration services are inadqeuately funded. The GOP says they want to be tough on illegal immigrants but they always balk at actually increasing funding for enforcement.

The immigration system does not have the manpower or the money to enforce immigration laws. Neither side has ever proposed to adequately fund the enforcement system.

Sounds like the middle class is fucked to preserve income for politicians, R or D, at the expense of the same middle class.

 

[Wreckem]

The "system" doesn't allow it, but the system isn't enforced.

The repubs problem is that they are of two schools:

1. One school demands border security, without wanting to pay for border security

2. The other school is scared they'll never get Hispanic votes and wants amnesty (without calling it such).

School #1 and #2 don't mix well, or at all.

Fern

Fixed.

 

[Bird222]

The left doesn't care. As long as they get more votes, and more poor people they are happy.

Oh sure they normally complain about low wages, and harsh working conditions, but who cares about that if you can get some more Mexicans to vote for you. While giving your silicon valley buddies some cheap labor, who crares about high paying jobs.

How are illegal immigrants able to vote? More so, how does the president's proposed action increase immigrants' ability to vote?

 

[highland145]

The "system" doesn't allow it, but the system isn't enforced.

The repubs problem is that they are of two schools:

1. One school demands border security

2. The other school is scared they'll never get Hispanic votes and wants amnesty (without calling it such).

School #1 and #2 don't mix well, or at all.

Fern

They shouldn't give a damn. They're not getting them in the 1st 2 or 3 generations anyway.

 

[highland145]

How are illegal immigrants able to vote? More so, how does the president's proposed action increase immigrants' ability to vote?

Answer my post like Mike did. I want to know what I'm missing.

 

[compuwiz1]

Really, we pretty much just got the status quo, only this time what we were told made it official. Hmmmm, I guess the rules are ok. I understand that the rounding up of millions of people is both unrealistic and would cause harm for families. That's just not realistic. The real question is what are we going to do about the future illegal immigrants and are we gonna get serious about border control? So, let those here work legitimately and pay their fair share of taxes. After that make hiring of future illegals have stiff enough penalties to deter the practice. We either need to enforce the laws or not have them at all.

 

[michal1980]

How are illegal immigrants able to vote? More so, how does the president's proposed action increase immigrants' ability to vote?

he just locked up the Hispanic vote didn't he? And the Hispanic community has no problems with law breaking. After all millions of them are supporting all those illegals, and fighting for their rights.

They people demanding rights were the first ones to spit on American laws. shameful pandering by the president to a group that does not respect the usa.

 

[michal1980]

Really, we pretty much just got the status quo, only this time what we were told made it official. Hmmmm, I guess the rules are ok. I understand that the rounding up of millions of people is both unrealistic and would cause harm for families. That's just not realistic. The real question is what are we going to do about the future illegal immigrants and are we gonna get serious about border control? So, let those here work legitimately and pay their fair share of taxes. After that make hiring of future illegals have stiff enough penalties to deter the practice. We either need to enforce the laws or not have them at all.

Its a lie that its unrealistic to deport millions. If we started with tens of thousands, many would leave on there own if they feared deportation. however we deport so few illegals that most don't fear deportation.

Just look at operation beautiful ray of sunshine. over a million deported, 40+ years ago. If we could do it then, we could do it now.

 

[Matt1970]

Sounds like the middle class is fucked to preserve income for politicians, R or D, at the expense of the same middle class.

That's about it.

 

[highland145]

That's about it.

I think so but I'm still hoping for some other logical response to 386.

 

[Matt1970]

I think so but I'm still hoping for some other logical response to 386.

You probably won't get any.