Obama to raise minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2011.

[alphatarget1]

I was cautiously optimistic when Obama was elected, but this just reaffirms me that he'll ruin the country and run it into the ground.

Minimum wage jobs will be replaced by machines. Somehow people get the notion that if you live in this country you deserve to live well. There are people in other countries that want to catch up and are willing to work harder for it, and just because you live in America doesn't make you special.

 

[Acanthus]

There are a number of cities with a minimum wage above $9 an hour that function just fine.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
the people this really hurts is those that make around $9.50 now and a little up.

They will see no increase in income and will now be making minimum wage. While price of good very well can/will go up.

Yep. I know for example that Wal-Mart does not boost your pay if minimum wage goes up and you were making more than minimum wage (unless your job specifically pays a bonus... such as working third shift). So if Sammy makes $8.00 an hour right now and minimum wage is $7.00 (completely arbitrary numbers), but then the minimum wage is raised to $8.00... Sammy is going to keep making $8.00.

This knowledge of Wal-Mart's practices comes from people that I know that worked there during a minimum wage increase.

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
By the way, there is a clear double standard here. Has anyone here turned down a raise "because it would cause inflation"? Has any of you criticized a family member for getting a raise because "I don't want my dollar devalued"? Has anyone ever criticized a CEO $25 mil bonus for causing inflation? This is RIDICULOUS.

No one gives a damn about wages, until it's the poorest people, and then suddenly the whole economic system hinges on them making half the liviing wage, or else "we all suffer the evils of inflation!!"

Why would getting a raise to my salary cause inflation when I'm the only one getting the raise. You're talking about getting a raise to one salary and we're talking about raising the entire bottom end.

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
All I'm saying is give your new President the benefit of the doubt. He's going to need this country united together and not bitterly partisan.

You're delusional if you think agreeing to everything he says like mindless drones is a good thing. Even in his acceptance speech, he said he wants to "listen to our feedback."

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I'm sure you do but remember that a great many of these 1 adult/3 kids families used to be 2 adults/3 kids families.

That's what welfare is used for.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Republican economics and philosophy = MASSIVE FAILURE.

Supply side economics doesn't work and has never worked in this country. Republicans have never shown they are capable of balancing a budget and keeping spending under control. They have no idea how to run an economy. When I see conservatives on here act like they know how to run the economy I laugh. Your party is a failure and your ideologies are a failure.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

And to control inflation, Carter tried strongarming the Fed to bend to his will. Reagan got it under control, but he did it by simply getting the hell out of the way and letting the Fed do its job.

And you Fail at history, too

Instead of posting nothing but "you fail" comments, how about you back it up?

Sorry ... I take out the garbage - which is what constitutes your thread-crapping.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
I was cautiously optimistic when Obama was elected, but this just reaffirms me that he'll ruin the country and run it into the ground.

Minimum wage jobs will be replaced by machines. Somehow people get the notion that if you live in this country you deserve to live well. There are people in other countries that want to catch up and are willing to work harder for it, and just because you live in America doesn't make you special.

You and me both. I voted for him because I thought - based on Obama's campaign - that he and McCain's economic policies were rather similar. Because the world would view McCain as Bush 3.0 (even though I think it's bullshit), I voted to improve our global image.

However, in the days since the election, we've been constantly prepped by Obama and the media for failed delivery of his promises, and more information about his policy has surfaced, and I don't like what I'm seeing one stinking bit.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
More jobs going over-seas. More increases in the cost of goods and services. People will need more money to counteract the increases. Dems will again raise minimum wage.

What a fucked up pattern.

How are you going to move low-paying retail and service jobs overseas, Einstein ?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

And to control inflation, Carter tried strongarming the Fed to bend to his will. Reagan got it under control, but he did it by simply getting the hell out of the way and letting the Fed do its job.

And you Fail at history, too

Instead of posting nothing but "you fail" comments, how about you back it up?

Sorry ... I take out the garbage - which is what constitutes your thread-crapping.

So in other words you have nothing of substance to add. Got it. In that case, fuck off.

 

[SagaLore]

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[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Republican economics and philosophy = MASSIVE FAILURE.

Supply side economics doesn't work and has never worked in this country. Republicans have never shown they are capable of balancing a budget and keeping spending under control. They have no idea how to run an economy. When I see conservatives on here act like they know how to run the economy I laugh. Your party is a failure and your ideologies are a failure.

Do you feel better inside now?


My buddy owns 3 KFCs here in CA. A couple years back our minimum went to $8.50. That same day, he had to raise prices by about $.30-$.50 on every item.

But noone should be surprised. Everyone wants a handout.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Republican economics and philosophy = MASSIVE FAILURE.

Supply side economics doesn't work and has never worked in this country. Republicans have never shown they are capable of balancing a budget and keeping spending under control. They have no idea how to run an economy. When I see conservatives on here act like they know how to run the economy I laugh. Your party is a failure and your ideologies are a failure.

Do you feel better inside now?


My buddy owns 3 KFCs here in CA. A couple years back our minimum went to $8.50. That same day, he had to raise prices by about $.30-$.50 on every item.

But noone should be surprised. Everyone wants a handout.

You're a country bumpkin who knows nothing about how to run an economy. He hasn't even been sworn in yet and you moronic conservatives are throwing a fit. Your party is a fucking cancer on this nation.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

And to control inflation, Carter tried strongarming the Fed to bend to his will. Reagan got it under control, but he did it by simply getting the hell out of the way and letting the Fed do its job.

And you Fail at history, too

Instead of posting nothing but "you fail" comments, how about you back it up?

Sorry ... I take out the garbage - which is what constitutes your thread-crapping.

So in other words you have nothing of substance to add. Got it. In that case, fuck off.

You obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about ...

Exhibit A:

Originally posted by: jbourne77

And to control inflation, Carter tried strongarming the Fed to bend to his will. Reagan got it under control, but he did it by simply getting the hell out of the way and letting the Fed do its job.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Republican economics and philosophy = MASSIVE FAILURE.

Supply side economics doesn't work and has never worked in this country. Republicans have never shown they are capable of balancing a budget and keeping spending under control. They have no idea how to run an economy. When I see conservatives on here act like they know how to run the economy I laugh. Your party is a failure and your ideologies are a failure.

Do you feel better inside now?


My buddy owns 3 KFCs here in CA. A couple years back our minimum went to $8.50. That same day, he had to raise prices by about $.30-$.50 on every item.

But noone should be surprised. Everyone wants a handout.

You're a country bumpkin who knows nothing about how to run an economy. He hasn't even been sworn in yet and you moronic conservatives are throwing a fit. Your party is a fucking cancer on this nation.

Jesus, how has this troll not been banned yet? That's right, the mods only ban trolling conservatives.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Republican economics and philosophy = MASSIVE FAILURE.

Supply side economics doesn't work and has never worked in this country. Republicans have never shown they are capable of balancing a budget and keeping spending under control. They have no idea how to run an economy. When I see conservatives on here act like they know how to run the economy I laugh. Your party is a failure and your ideologies are a failure.

Do you feel better inside now?


My buddy owns 3 KFCs here in CA. A couple years back our minimum went to $8.50. That same day, he had to raise prices by about $.30-$.50 on every item.

But noone should be surprised. Everyone wants a handout.

You're a country bumpkin who knows nothing about how to run an economy. He hasn't even been sworn in yet and you moronic conservatives are throwing a fit. Your party is a fucking cancer on this nation.

I'll have to check the map, I didn't realize I was a "country bumpkin."

Develop a skill that someone deems worthy enough to pay you good money for, and you won't have to worry about uncle sam giving you a pay raise

Edit: Oh yea, you are a troll.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: ICRS

Increase the Minimum Wage: As president, Obama will raise the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2011 and index it to inflation so full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing, two cars, cell phones, cable television, eating out, pets, as-seen-on-tv gadgets, etc. ? things so many people take for granted.

Fixed for a better reflection on what they really spend it on.

When you raise minimum wage, you lower everyone else's wages because all products and services inflate. I think the State's should set the min wage, not the federal government. My first job I was only getting $6.50 an hour, and I was able to buy a car and and rent an apartment. My wage was reflective of the cost of living in the area. $9.50 is a lot of money for entry level jobs, in the country. All its going to do is skyrockets costs at the national level.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
All I'm saying is give your new President the benefit of the doubt. He's going to need this country united together and not bitterly partisan.

You're delusional if you think agreeing to everything he says like mindless drones is a good thing. Even in his acceptance speech, he said he wants to "listen to our feedback."

That is not what he is saying at all.

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I'm sure you do but remember that a great many of these 1 adult/3 kids families used to be 2 adults/3 kids families.

That's what welfare is used for.

Greeeaaaattttt....

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Just a move to placate those he bussed to the polls for their vote. The 2011 is significant because he's up for reelection in 2012. It's a move to buy votes.

exactly. Hell, why not just do it in his first 100 days? Because, he knows people have a short memory and will be looking at "what have you done for me lately" in 2011.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Republican economics and philosophy = MASSIVE FAILURE.

Supply side economics doesn't work and has never worked in this country. Republicans have never shown they are capable of balancing a budget and keeping spending under control. They have no idea how to run an economy. When I see conservatives on here act like they know how to run the economy I laugh. Your party is a failure and your ideologies are a failure.

Thanks for staying on topic, your contribution to this thread is much appreciated! :thumbsup::roll:

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
However, in the days since the election, we've been constantly prepped by Obama and the media for failed delivery of his promises, and more information about his policy has surfaced, and I don't like what I'm seeing one stinking bit.

Dude, its been less than 3 days, give the guy some time.

 

[bamacre]

By the time inflation kicks in, that 9.50 an hour won't even be an increase.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Just a move to placate those he bussed to the polls for their vote. The 2011 is significant because he's up for reelection in 2012. It's a move to buy votes.

exactly. Hell, why not just do it in his first 100 days? Because, he knows people have a short memory and will be looking at "what have you done for me lately" in 2011.

No, because he realizes that it is a bad idea to do right away without getting the econ to a certain point of recovery first.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
How are you going to move low-paying retail and service jobs overseas, Einstein ?

Low-paying retail = Internet based retail companies.

Service jobs = replaced by machines, manufactured overseas.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Jesus, how has this troll not been banned yet? That's right, the mods only ban trolling conservatives.

No mod callouts please, take it to PFI.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: jbourne77

And to control inflation, Carter tried strongarming the Fed to bend to his will. Reagan got it under control, but he did it by simply getting the hell out of the way and letting the Fed do its job.

And you Fail at history, too

Instead of posting nothing but "you fail" comments, how about you back it up?

Sorry ... I take out the garbage - which is what constitutes your thread-crapping.

So in other words you have nothing of substance to add. Got it. In that case, fuck off.

You obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about ...

Exhibit A:

Originally posted by: jbourne77

And to control inflation, Carter tried strongarming the Fed to bend to his will. Reagan got it under control, but he did it by simply getting the hell out of the way and letting the Fed do its job.

Again, no substance. Tell me WHY, instead of spewing your own brand of threadcrapping "fail", "fail", "fail").

Think you can manage to do that without childish insults and troll posts? Doubt it, but I'll give you a chance.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: jbourne77
However, in the days since the election, we've been constantly prepped by Obama and the media for failed delivery of his promises, and more information about his policy has surfaced, and I don't like what I'm seeing one stinking bit.

Dude, its been less than 3 days, give the guy some time.

I know, and that's why I find it so shocking. I'm obviously willing to give it some time, or I wouldn't have voted for him. What deeply concerns me, however, is that the last 3 days - beginning with his acceptance speech - have been spent preparing us for failed delivery. It was "hope hope hope" for a year (by both Obama and the media), and then overnight it's turned into "now let's be realistic."

A lot of us were TRYING to be realistic during the campaign season, but were accused of everything from fear mongering to racism.