Obama supports the Constitutional Right of Mosque being built near WTC

[caddlad]

They "officially begun steps to construct Cordoba House" in 1997? So what happened to the funding? What were the "official steps" taken that in four years didn't result in it being built?

I'm sure all of your 13 story building projects in Manhattan were completed in a matter of months.

If you need to fart downtown, the paper work will take six months.

How many years do you think it take to line up the investors, architects, engineers, surveyors, planning officials, material suppliers, prospective tenants.

I wouldn't be surprised if the project took six years without the destruction of the WTC and the economic bedshitting.

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm sure all of your 13 story building projects in Manhattan were completed in a matter of months.

If you need to fart downtown, the paper work will take six months.

How many years do you think it take to line up the investors, architects, engineers, surveyors, planning officials, material suppliers, prospective tenants.

I wouldn't be surprised if the project took six years without the destruction of the WTC and the economic bedshitting.

Ok, so what did they do in the four years before the attacks if they "officially begun steps to construct Cordoba House"? This shouldn't require sarcasm, tap dancing, and fluff, there should be something to substantiate that in four years before 9/11 something was "officially begun to construct" the mosque. Funding, plans, public works announcements? Something? It seems odd to me that they had officially began to construct, and now there's no money, and there was nothing done in four years prior to 9/11. I am not saying they didn't, I'd just like to see some proof of the statement, especially since the spokesman for the mosque hasn't mentioned that in the interviews I've heard.

 

[First]

So are you going to man-up and actually voice your opinion? Or just continue your bigoted (yes bigoted, you fit the dictionary description to a T) trolling around here.

Guess you are too afraid to voice your opinion. It's interesting the OP still is too afraid to actually post his thoughts, only condemn the thoughts of others.

It's a free country, or do you disagree? You complain the government can't get involved in restricting your sacred gun rights, but then you want the government to ignore the law and get involved to stop a completely legal building. Does it take a long time to get into bed, considering the total pretzel you have twisted yourself into with that crazy logic?

When push comes to shove Little Nicky backs down from both debate and fights, especially his own threads.

 

[jackschmittusa]

boomerang

How does "force them to change their religious beliefs by the sword" in Cordoba coincide with churches and synagogues being allowed?

Are you aware that the Christians in this country (Spain) were an easy mark because they were doing the same things to each other that you abhor the Muslims for doing?

Are you aware that the Christians came to Spain as a conquering army?

What they turned Cordoba into was closer to what we would consider a "civilized society" than anything else at the time. I have no doubt they are proud of that part of their history.

xj0hnx

How the hell do you figure that I'm a liar? I have constantly applied the same arguments and conclusions to all here and elsewhere. My comments have been all inclusive using terms such as: all these people, the only people, anyone, everyone, etc.. There have been several comments directed specifically toward you, but only in direct response to the comments you made to me.

If you feel offended, consider it the reward for failing to present any rational argument.

I still await your syllogism defining your logic.

If you find the planning date of the mosque in question interesting, funding, etc., do your own research. I doubt that NYC has a really fast approval process for getting a building started.

I now officially announce that I am tired of sparing with you out of respect for your mental handicap. It is also unfair to engage in a battle of wits with you since you seem to be unarmed.

Have a nice day.

 

[dmcowen674]

Dear shit-for-brains conservatives:

Ok since you don't want a mosque being built TWO BLOCKS from ground zero, please give use the the minimum amount of distance from ground zero that would be necessary for you to not be angry at a mosque being built there.

*gets thousands of different answers, proving what a bunch of fucking idiots you are*

Not only that if he came out and said they should not be able to build it there the Republicans would scream he hates the Constitution.

They are just plain fuck tards, 110% through and through.

 

[xj0hnx]

xj0hnx

How the hell do you figure that I'm a liar? I have constantly applied the same arguments and conclusions to all here and elsewhere. My comments have been all inclusive using terms such as: all these people, the only people, anyone, everyone, etc.. There have been several comments directed specifically toward you, but only in direct response to the comments you made to me.

If you feel offended, consider it the reward for failing to present any rational argument.

Great, so we are on the same page, all the comments you made about me, are equally distributed among everyone here, and the families of 9/11 that oppose the mosque. Specifically this comment ...

"There is no way that you can be offended unless you feel that all Muslims are somehow "tainted" because of a handful of nutjob terrorists."

as long as you are applying that statement equally here, as well as to the families of 9/11, than get on with y0 bad self, and have a nice day also

 

[Amused]

Except he never came out in favor of the mosque you fvcking moron. Your 2 cents is actually worth much less than 2 cents.

Why aren't you banned yet?

Spin is spin, phokus. He knew damn well what he was saying at the Ramadan event, and so did everyone else.

At any rate, WTF is your problem?

 

[IGBT]

so when do you think your obama will burn an american flag, because he believes it's the right thing to do?

 

[nick1985]

So are you going to man-up and actually voice your opinion? Or just continue your bigoted (yes bigoted, you fit the dictionary description to a T) trolling around here.

Guess you are too afraid to voice your opinion. It's interesting the OP still is too afraid to actually post his thoughts, only condemn the thoughts of others.

It's a free country, or do you disagree? You complain the government can't get involved in restricting your sacred gun rights, but then you want the government to ignore the law and get involved to stop a completely legal building. Does it take a long time to get into bed, considering the total pretzel you have twisted yourself into with that crazy logic?

I wont reply to someone who is foaming at the mouth and using the B word. Ask nicely and I'll tell you. Oh, and did I ever say I want the government to ignore the law? No. I didn't. You only see what you want to see

And First, you are fucking dipshit of epic proportions. I dont know who is the biggest douchebag asshole on these boards, you or umbrella. Its a close race

 

[JSt0rm]

Why do we let them play us with all these wedge issues?

 

[caddlad]

so when do you think your obama will burn an american flag, because he believes it's the right thing to do?

Smells of douche, no?

 

[waggy]

what gets me is so many are caught up in the American flag they are willing to destroy it over what they disagree with.

 

[dahunan]

Ok, so what did they do in the four years before the attacks if they "officially begun steps to construct Cordoba House"? This shouldn't require sarcasm, tap dancing, and fluff, there should be something to substantiate that in four years before 9/11 something was "officially begun to construct" the mosque. Funding, plans, public works announcements? Something? It seems odd to me that they had officially began to construct, and now there's no money, and there was nothing done in four years prior to 9/11. I am not saying they didn't, I'd just like to see some proof of the statement, especially since the spokesman for the mosque hasn't mentioned that in the interviews I've heard.

Then look it up! You don't mind accusing them of building a mosque to taunt you and other idiots.. at least you should try and do all the factcheckng YOU can before you condemn them

 

[dahunan]

what gets me is so many are caught up in the American flag they are willing to destroy it over what they disagree with.

and buy cheap ones MADE IN CHINA that say support the troops or other silly shit..

words
slogans

no action

 

[Sinsear]

Dear shit-for-brains conservatives:


*gets thousands of different answers, proving what a bunch of fucking idiots you are*

How are you not banned?

 

[Rainsford]

what gets me is so many are caught up in the American flag they are willing to destroy it over what they disagree with.

That's why I picked the quote I did for my signature, and have kept it for several years. Liberties like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association...these are the things that make this country worth defending. If we throw them aside in the name of "national defense", then what's the point of defending this nation at all?

 

[cubby1223]

We can divide up this nation into a thousand various sections telling us what we can and cannot build where... residential zones, commercial zones, industrial zones. Can't build a big box store without government permission. There was a story somewhere last year a pastor was prevented from having people over to his residential house for prayer / bible study. Stories can go on forever.


But now there is an issue which is perceived as a wedge between Democrats & Republicans, and now suddenly we must allow mosques to be built anywhere? I like the idea Greg Gutfeld came up with - they want to build a center for tolerance and acceptance - let's build an Islamic-friendly gay bar right next to the mosque We can use it to teach tolerance to others!

 

[waggy]

and buy cheap ones MADE IN CHINA that say support the troops or other silly shit..

words
slogans

no action

what the fuck are you talking about? buy cheap mosque? buy cheap words? what?


if you don't understand what i am saying then ask.

 

[Rainsford]

We can divide up this nation into a thousand various sections telling us what we can and cannot build where... residential zones, commercial zones, industrial zones. Can't build a big box store without government permission. There was a story somewhere last year a pastor was prevented from having people over to his residential house for prayer / bible study. Stories can go on forever.


But now there is an issue which is perceived as a wedge between Democrats & Republicans, and now suddenly we must allow mosques to be built anywhere? I like the idea Greg Gutfeld came up with - they want to build a center for tolerance and acceptance - let's build an Islamic-friendly gay bar right next to the mosque We can use it to teach tolerance to others!

The difference is how the law is applied. Zoning is done in a very general sense...you can build "businesses" somewhere, "housing" other places, etc. What we're talking about here is banning a SPECIFIC building from being built in a SPECIFIC location...and all because some people don't like the religion of the people building it. That is very different from saying you can't build a Wal-Mart in a residential zone.

I found the gay bar idea particularly amusing, because it puts conservatives in the very funny position of promotion gay culture just because Muslims might dislike it even more than conservatives do.

 

[Rainsford]

Ok, so what did they do in the four years before the attacks if they "officially begun steps to construct Cordoba House"? This shouldn't require sarcasm, tap dancing, and fluff, there should be something to substantiate that in four years before 9/11 something was "officially begun to construct" the mosque. Funding, plans, public works announcements? Something? It seems odd to me that they had officially began to construct, and now there's no money, and there was nothing done in four years prior to 9/11. I am not saying they didn't, I'd just like to see some proof of the statement, especially since the spokesman for the mosque hasn't mentioned that in the interviews I've heard.

"It seems odd to me"?

You sound like a conspiracy theorist. No particular evidence or argument, just a lot of "questions", trying to make an argument by way of implication. And just like a good conspiracy theory, you're demanding proof against an argument you're not even making.

Call me crazy, but I'd say that the people behind this building don't owe any of us an explanation for a damn thing. This is a free country, we have absolutely no right to deputize ourselves into harassing random Muslims.

 

[Craig234]

That's why I picked the quote I did for my signature, and have kept it for several years. Liberties like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association...these are the things that make this country worth defending. If we throw them aside in the name of "national defense", then what's the point of defending this nation at all?

I've noticed long ago that those who 'get it' tend to talk in terms of things like values America needs to embrace, without which American 'isn't any better'.

And that others tend to love America out of a sort of blind patriotism, where what they're really praising is simply having the most, being the most powerful, being able to dominate others - the 'might makes right' crowd, for whom American can do no wrong, love it or leave it.

Idealists worked to make this country strong as a leader for some good values - but once strong, whether it is strong as a leader for good values, or merely 'strong' but possibly average or even a thug nation, is an open question. Some get why the values are important, and some don't.

Just as children born into wealth can be spoiled and weak and mean, citizens born into the strongest society on earth can be spoiled and weak and mean.

That's a lot of the issue for progressives - trying to push for our society to keep those values it's all too easy to throw away as getting in the way of enjoying might.

Who the hell cares if others are poor to make us richer? Just don't tell us it's happening, and lie to us when you do so we can enjoy might comfortably.

This is also why I sometimes list as a test question for whether someone is more progressive, do they view themselves as human race first, American second, or not.

That doesn't mean they don't value being an American and aren't proud of things we're better at or want to 'equalize wealth globally now'. It does mean their attitude towards exploiting others should be concern for the others and wanting to improve that, rather than 'good, helps me, screw them', accepting a permanent great disparity of wealth as just fine, the way the few rich and powerful have long done in history.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Dear shit-for-brains conservatives:

Ok since you don't want a mosque being built TWO BLOCKS from ground zero, please give use the the minimum amount of distance from ground zero that would be necessary for you to not be angry at a mosque being built there.

*gets thousands of different answers, proving what a bunch of fucking idiots you are*

3 miles minimum.

 

[JSt0rm]

3 miles minimum.

lololol. How about the islamic gay club?

 

[schneiderguy]

That is not to say that religion is without controversy. Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities - particularly in New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure.

We must never forget those who we lost so tragically on 9/11, and we must always honor those who have led our response to that attack - from the firefighters who charged up smoke-filled staircases, to our troops who are serving in Afghanistan today. And let us always remember who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for. Our enemies respect no freedom of religion. Al Qaeda’s cause is not Islam - it is a gross distortion of Islam. These are not religious leaders - these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women and children. In fact, al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than people of any other religion - and that list of victims includes innocent Muslims who were killed on 9/11.

That is who we are fighting against. And the reason that we will win this fight is not simply the strength of our arms - it is the strength of our values. The democracy that we uphold. The freedoms that we cherish. The laws that we apply without regard to race or religion; wealth or status. Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us - a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today.

:thumbsup:

@ the conservatives that only are for constitutional rights when they feel like it. Fucking hypocrites, disgusts me.

 

[Zorkorist]

Or the liberals that, "as sheep," take it up the ass, and do not fight back.

-John