Obama shares in sacrifice of common Americans, returns 5% of salary

[Incorruptible]

:thumbsup:

The GOP wanted cuts in spending. They got it.

And these right-wingers that now so aghast that cuts are going to hurt people... Guess what - cuts are going to hurt someone - there's no magical cutting that's not going to effect people in some fashion.

Ignorance. They weren't real cuts but cuts in the rate of growth.

And cuts dont hurt people since they shouldn't have had the services in the first place.

 

[zsdersw]

And cuts dont hurt people since they shouldn't have had the services in the first place.

You're a dumbass. Whether or not they should've had them in the first place is completely separate from whether it "hurts people".

Fact: a drug addict is hurt when you take their drugs away from them. They may be an addict who shouldn't have ever started using drugs, but taking the drugs away still causes harm.

So too is it with "government services".

Of course, taking them off drugs (or "government services") is the first step toward recovery and if the recovery process is completed they will end up in a much better place in life... but to stupidly say, as you did, that there is no harm in taking the drugs (or "government services") away is factually false. The harm and the hurt is initial and may only be temporary, but it still exists... and shouldn't be denied.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

We have a winner folks. The first conservative to stand up for federal workers. So all that stuff about too much federal spending has nothing to do with federal workers? Most conservatives I know would be ecstatic about federal workers getting thrown under the bus,,,, (along with seniors, the poor and middle class).

If you are gonna rip Obama, at least rip him for things that go against your core values. Liberals should rip him for furloughing federal workers, conservatives should praise him. Its kind of funny that everything he does is wrong even if he does things that conservatives agree with.

That really isn't the point. You shouldn't "rip someone" simply because you're a liberal or conservative. You should subjectively evaluate each situation and come to your own conclusion. I know that goes against everything that your liberal propaganda machine has taught you, but it's important when looking at situations like this one.


The root of the matter is that our Dear Leader so graciously "donates" $20k per year out of his ~$2,000,000 per year income and broadcasts it as if it's some huge act of him "sharing in sacrifice" with the common American.

Meanwhile his employee's salaries are being cut by 20%

If some republican politician did this our little liberal extremist squad would be smashing keyboards and have hissy fits.



So... The bottom line is that we have a guy pulling in ~$2,000,000 per year who is using a $20k charitable donation to make it out like he's suffering with the rest of America. At the same time he's taking multi million dollar ultra exotic vacations on the taxpayer dime. Man this guy is suffering.

Seriously, I feel bad for those of you who are unable to see through this blatant PR stunt. It really is just a smack in your face.

 

[Incorruptible]

You're a dumbass. Whether or not they should've had them in the first place is completely separate from whether it "hurts people".

Fact: a drug addict is hurt when you take their drugs away from them. They may be an addict who shouldn't have ever started using drugs, but taking the drugs away still causes harm.

So too is it with "government services".

Of course, taking them off drugs (or "government services") is the first step toward recovery and if the recovery process is completed they will end up in a much better place in life... but to stupidly say, as you did, that there is no harm in taking the drugs (or "government services") away is factually false. The harm and the hurt is initial and may only be temporary, but it still exists... and shouldn't be denied.

You're a dumbass and your post was ignored

 

[werepossum]

Don't they all.

QFT

That really isn't the point. You shouldn't "rip someone" simply because you're a liberal or conservative. You should subjectively evaluate each situation and come to your own conclusion. I know that goes against everything that your liberal propaganda machine has taught you, but it's important when looking at situations like this one.


The root of the matter is that our Dear Leader so graciously "donates" $20k per year out of his ~$2,000,000 per year income and broadcasts it as if it's some huge act of him "sharing in sacrifice" with the common American.

Meanwhile his employee's salaries are being cut by 20%

If some republican politician did this our little liberal extremist squad would be smashing keyboards and have hissy fits.



So... The bottom line is that we have a guy pulling in ~$2,000,000 per year who is using a $20k charitable donation to make it out like he's suffering with the rest of America. At the same time he's taking multi million dollar ultra exotic vacations on the taxpayer dime. Man this guy is suffering.

Seriously, I feel bad for those of you who are unable to see through this blatant PR stunt. It really is just a smack in your face.

It would still be a PR stunt if he voluntarily cut his salary 20% - or even his entire income. Point is it IS his salary; he earns it. His voluntarily giving back 5% is a good gesture, whether or not it hurts him personally and whether or not one believes it should be more. On the other hand, being able to dictate how much others should give is NOT good thing.

Also, to the extent that any federal workers are actually having their pay cut 20% they are also working 20% less. And while the sequester was Obama's idea, he didn't want to actually do it; he thought he could use it to pressure the Pubbies into giving him his way.

 

[zsdersw]

and your post was ignored

... which is why you remain among the biggest of idiots on P&N.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

It would still be a PR stunt if he voluntarily cut his salary 20% - or even his entire income. Point is it IS his salary; he earns it. His voluntarily giving back 5% is a good gesture, whether or not it hurts him personally and whether or not one believes it should be more. On the other hand, being able to dictate how much others should give is NOT good thing.

Also, to the extent that any federal workers are actually having their pay cut 20% they are also working 20% less. And while the sequester was Obama's idea, he didn't want to actually do it; he thought he could use it to pressure the Pubbies into giving him his way.

Donating his $400k presidential salary out of his $2,000,000 yearly income would've been much less of a smack in the face.

Technically the only reason he's making those book royalties is due to his presidency, so that would've at least been the honest thing to do if our Dear Leader is going to preach about sharing the sacrifice with the common American.

Hell, in regards to his book royalty income, "he didn't build that", we as a society did, so give it up. But, like many socialist-leaning leaders, none of that crap applies to him.... Only us peasants.

 

[Matt1970]

Donating his $400k presidential salary out of his $2,000,000 yearly income would've been much less of a smack in the face.

Technically the only reason he's making those book royalties is due to his presidency, so that would've at least been the honest thing to do if our Dear Leader is going to preach about sharing the sacrifice with the common American.

Hell, in regards to his book royalty income, "he didn't build that", we as a society did, so give it up. But, like many socialist-leaning leaders, none of that crap applies to him.... Only us peasants.

That's pretty much it. He has made over $10,000,000 since getting into office. His $20K Giveback ammounts to 0.2% Way to give something back.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm still waiting for better examples of more meaningful actions by other politicians.

More faux outrage please!

 

[SpatiallyAware]

That's pretty much it. He has made over $10,000,000 since getting into office. His $20K Giveback ammounts to 0.2% Way to give something back.

And just because many of our liberalies are bad with numbers/accounting/finance....


For someone making $100k a year, the equivalent would be a $200 charitable donation... Then going around talking about you're sacrificing along with the rest of America.

 

[Matt1970]

I'm still waiting for better examples of more meaningful actions by other politicians.

More faux outrage please!

We are still waiting for Obama to do something meaningful.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm still waiting for better examples of more meaningful actions by other politicians.

More faux outrage please!

Are you serious.... This is our Dear Leader...... Not some random state rep business owner or whatever. It's a totally different ballgame when you're the one who is supposed to to be representing and running our country.


And I'm not at all saying he's a bad guy for not donating more, my issue is specially that he's using this as PR propaganda to make out like he's sharing the sacrifice, all while taking multi million dollar ultra exotic vacations on the taxpayer dime... He opened himself up for that scrutiny...


Not to mention the whole "don't worry I am sharing in the sacrifice" is something taught in "socialist leadership 101". Make a public appearance that you are one of the common peons, trying to scrape every dime, and as soon as the cameras are off the leader and his entourage are spending $5 mil ++ at hawaii ultra luxury penthouse vacations.

And he's the one that made these claims, you really shouldn't just take them at face value.

 

[xBiffx]

We are still waiting for Obama to do something meaningful.

I stopped waiting long ago.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I stopped waiting long ago.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/

Can someone translate this for me?


"The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 was awarded to Barack H. Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."

 

[ivwshane]

Are you serious.... This is our Dear Leader...... Not some random state rep business owner or whatever. It's a totally different ballgame when you're the one who is supposed to to be representing and running our country.


And I'm not at all saying he's a bad guy for not donating more, my issue is specially that he's using this as PR propaganda to make out like he's sharing the sacrifice, all while taking multi million dollar ultra exotic vacations on the taxpayer dime... He opened himself up for that scrutiny...


Not to mention the whole "don't worry I am sharing in the sacrifice" is something taught in "socialist leadership 101". Make a public appearance that you are one of the common peons, trying to scrape every dime, and as soon as the cameras are off the leader and his entourage are spending $5 mil ++ at hawaii ultra luxury penthouse vacations.

And he's the one that made these claims, you really shouldn't just take them at face value.

Is it a totally different ball game? He's the president, not the king, not a dictator and he has to work with a whole other branch of government to do anything. He's put some sacrifice on the table and no matter how small or pointless it is it's still more than anyone else who has a job suposedly representing Americans. So yes I'll take that gesture over the "do nothing" gesture any day of the week! But I'd rather representatives just work together and get shit done than have any meaningless gestures made.

You on the other hand would rather see an even bigger meaningless gesture instead of pointing out that shit isn't getting done and Americans aren't having their best interests looked after.

 

[ivwshane]

Can someone translate this for me?


"The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 was awarded to Barack H. Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."

Yes, it's called a thread derailment.

 

[xBiffx]

Yes, it's called a thread derailment.

I believe you are the one who started the derailment, if there was one.

I'm still waiting for better examples of more meaningful actions by other politicians.

More faux outrage please!

Don't ask subjective questions and then get mad when someone responds accordingly.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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....shit isn't getting done and Americans aren't having their best interests looked after.

Really that is so blatantly obvious that I don't even know what the point would be in discussing it. I'm so used to nothing being done in "our interest" that I don't even bat an eye.

But when our Dear Leader comes in and tries to make out like .2% charitable donation is him sharing in sacrifice all while he's taking multi million dollar ultra exotic luxury vacations with his crew I think it warrants pointing out just how flawed the logic is.

It doesn't mean I would "rather see it" one way or the other.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I understand that Biden declined to take a 5% "sacrifice"...maybe he's not nearly as dumb as he looks!

 

[zsdersw]

my issue is specially that he's using this as PR propaganda to make out like he's sharing the sacrifice, all while taking multi million dollar ultra exotic

A politician spreads PR propaganda... wow, there's a newsflash.

Have you ever heard of these things we have, called politicians? Must not.. because you're outraged and surprised that they're doing something that's in their nature to do.

 

[xBiffx]

I understand that Biden declined to take a 5% "sacrifice"...maybe he's not nearly as dumb as he looks!

Not at all. He just doesn't give a lick about the average American.

 

[TallBill]

I'd like to see more politicians that put on a military uniform and made some real sacrifices.

 

[ivwshane]

Really that is so blatantly obvious that I don't even know what the point would be in discussing it. I'm so used to nothing being done in "our interest" that I don't even bat an eye.

But when our Dear Leader comes in and tries to make out like .2% charitable donation is him sharing in sacrifice all while he's taking multi million dollar ultra exotic luxury vacations with his crew I think it warrants pointing out just how flawed the logic is.

It doesn't mean I would "rather see it" one way or the other.

Yes but he point is that you are making a big deal out of what the only guy who is doing anything did and not making a big deal about those who aren't doing anything.

That's like making fun of the person who wears a cancer awareness bracelet while remaining silent about a company who produces known carcinogenic chemicals in your city.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yes but he point is that you are making a big deal out of what the only guy who is doing anything did and not making a big deal about those who aren't doing anything.

That's like making fun of the person who wears a cancer awareness bracelet while remaining silent about a company who produces known carcinogenic chemicals in your city.

No... It isn't.


My "issue" is not simply that he only donated .2% of his yearly income. It is purely that he makes himself out as though he's "sharing in sacrifice of common Americans" all while taking multi million dollar ultra luxury exotic vacations.

 

[ivwshane]

No... It isn't.


My "issue" is not simply that he only donated .2% of his yearly income. It is purely that he makes himself out as though he's "sharing in sacrifice of common Americans" all while taking multi million dollar ultra luxury exotic vacations.

Yes we get it, wearing the "I'm against cancer bracelet" and telling people how you are fighting cancer is pointless. Almost as pointless as the person who calls out the person wearing the bracelet because they really aren't doing anything to fight cancer.

We get it, you hate cancer bracelet wearers.

And I do too but you know what I hate more than cancer bracelet wearers? CANCER.