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Obama or Romney?

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Obama or Romney?

  • Barack Obama

  • Mitt Romney

  • neither

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Fern said:
I'd take Romney over Obama easily. Romney is a proven turn-around expert and if this country needs anything it's a financial and economic turn-around.

Edit: Beginning to think Romney has no chance though, from what I'm hearing the various TEA Party groups don't like him and won't vote for him.

Fern
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I don't really see what Romney offers that Huntsman can't offer better.

but do you really think the tea party will have a significant voice? the candidates of the far right all fell flat in 2008.
 
If GW could pull off a second term, Obama has it in the bag.
People like him. His wife is charming. His kids are well thought of.
They are good parents. Obama's personal short comings are easily
over shadowed by his wife's positives.
Why we even have to go through this election waste of money thing is really sad.
We all know Obama will have a second term, regardless.
High unemployment and economy may be a huge issue, but people haven't
forgot republicans were in charge during most, if not all of, the real damage under GW.
I don't think people are ready to place any republican back at the helm steering that ship.
Not when the only ideas the republicans seem to have are going back to the GW era way of doing things.
Just save all the to be wasted money and donate it to cancer research.
Obama will have his second term. We all know that. Like it or not...
Just look at the field of republicans running. They have nothing to lose.
The real challengers are waiting it out until 2016.
Any poker player will tell you that is how to win a poker game.
These guys debating and running are just the pre-show players, the warm-up band,
before the real performers go on stage in 2016.
Cancer research could really use the money about to be soooo wasted.
 
you raise a good point.

Obama's a nice guy and a good dad and his wife's cool, so fuck democracy, let's reelect him unopposed and unchallenged.
 
ShawnD1 said:
He didn't seem so bad. He was the only republican up there who wasn't too eager to start a 100 year war. He wouldn't be able to get anything done because the other branches of government think he's a nut, but at the same time he would be able to stop a lot of bullshit by vetoing everything. Paul winning would mean 4 years of absolutely nothing happening, good or bad.

Guiliani was by far the worst. He sounded the most enthusiastic to go around "nation building" which is a euphemism for waste your tax money in a bunch of military adventures in countries nobody cares about.
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Amen brother, other nations can build themselves. I have to consider a vote towards anyone on the correct side of this issue. The issue does not stand alone, but saving our coin and our troops is a high priority.

Another case for answering 'neither' in this poll.
 
D-Man said:
Who is this neither person? Whoever it is they are gaining on Obama and have twice the votes as Mitt.
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For our sake, I hope it's a straight vote for a third party. Don't care who, just hit the two incumbent parties where it hurts. If that doesn't work, try try again. Keep punching them til their down.

Hayabusa Rider said:
I wouldn't vote for either and I wonder more and more why voting in a farce is worth my gas money.
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See above, your gas should be worth that.
 
Jaskalas said:
For our sake, I hope it's a straight vote for a third party. Don't care who, just hit the two incumbent parties where it hurts. If that doesn't work, try try again. Keep punching them til their down.



See above, your gas should be worth that.
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Voting for a third option is about the only non violent way I can think of too wake up the Replicrats/Demuplicans. Or course a third party candidate would not win, but increasing numbers of votes going third party each election might scare them into seeing sanity. Or it could drive them to their bases. But I am with you in principle.
 
Jhhnn said:
Heh. It's not like corporate America needs a turnaround- they're experiencing near record profits on reduced payrolls. Not to mention the dollar carry trade is making oodles for those who can.

Do you think Romney will turn that around? Or just provide more of the same, harder & deeper?
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Fern is laughable calling Romney a 'turnaround expert'.

A turnaround expert is one who can take a struggling business and improve and grow it.

What Romney did by every account I've seen is buy firms in terrible shape at fire sale prices, sell off the bits he could, lay off the American workers and go to bankruptcy.

One statistic going around now about Romney as governor is that he was 47th out of 50 on jobs - while the average was 5% growth he was under 1%.
 
Craig234 said:
Fern is laughable calling Romney a 'turnaround expert'.

A turnaround expert is one who can take a struggling business and improve and grow it.

What Romney did by every account I've seen is buy firms in terrible shape at fire sale prices, sell off the bits he could, lay off the American workers and go to bankruptcy.

One statistic going around now about Romney as governor is that he was 47th out of 50 on jobs - while the average was 5% growth he was under 1%.
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One percent growth vs the epic fucking disaster we have now... :hmm:

I still vote none of the above but really... that was a total 'shoot yourself in the foot' example.
 
Craig234 said:
Fern is laughable calling Romney a 'turnaround expert'.

A turnaround expert is one who can take a struggling business and improve and grow it.

What Romney did by every account I've seen is buy firms in terrible shape at fire sale prices, sell off the bits he could, lay off the American workers and go to bankruptcy.

One statistic going around now about Romney as governor is that he was 47th out of 50 on jobs - while the average was 5% growth he was under 1%.
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I thought I read something related to RomneyCare and its impact on job growth. Could be wrong, but anyone know what the impact of RomneyCare is/was in relation to job creation? Just curious if anyone knows off hand, will look myself tomorrow.
 
loki8481 said:
you raise a good point.

Obama's a nice guy and a good dad and his wife's cool, so fuck democracy, let's reelect him unopposed and unchallenged.
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He's smart too.

Unemployment - Up 25%

Debt - Up 35%

Gasoline - Up 104%

Fore more years baby!


The following is for sportage.

How's That Hope and Change Working Out for Obama Supporters?

Barack Obama benefited from strong support among a number of demographic groups during his 2008 presidential campaign. In an economic sense, after two-and-a-half years of his presidency, those same groups which showed him the greatest support have suffered disproportionately more than others in the United States.
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African-Americans
When Obama took office in January 2009, the nation's unemployment rate stood at 7.6%. For African-Americans, as a group, the unemployment rate was 12.6%.
Fast forward two-and-a-half years and, according to the latest data released for May 2011, the nation's unemployment rate is 9.1%. The present rate of unemployment rate for blacks is 16.2%.
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College/Young Professionals
This group was another strong supporter of Barack Obama to become President back in 2008. His message of hope and change resonated with the college crowd and among those just starting their careers. In fact, turnout among those 18-24 years of age rose slightly to 49% in the 2008 elections versus 47% in 2004. Exit poll data from 2008 show Obama enjoyed a 66% approval rating for the 18-29 year-old demographic group.
Unfortunately for this group, economic opportunities have become more and more scarce during Obama's presidency. According to a recent report from the Economic Policy Institute, for calendar year 2010, the unemployment rate for workers 16-24 years of age averaged 18.4% verses a rate of 9.6% for the overall population.
The same report states, "...the class of 2011 will likely face the highest unemployment rate for young college graduates since the Great Recession began."
The policies of the very man this demographic group supported has caused many of them to be either underemployed or unemployed, while also now burdened with thousands and thousands of dollars in college loans, in many cases.
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Low Income Families
Lower income Americans offered strong support for Barack Obama. More than 70% of voters who earned less than $15,000 per year punched their card for Obama, while those whose earnings were $15,000-$30,000 voted for Obama at a clip better than 60%. Better than 50% of those earning $30,000-$50,000 also supported Obama for the Oval Office.
Yet, these same individuals have found life under Obama to be rather difficult. When Barack Obama assumed the position of President of the United States, the average price of gasoline was $1.81/gallon. Going into the past weekend, the average price nationwide was $3.72/gallon. That's a mere 106% price increase under Obama.
Energy prices, as a proportion of income, naturally impact lower income families more than middle class or upper class families. We've also seen a substantial increase in food prices, including corn and wheat, which again impact the lower income group more than the overall population.
In fact, Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke recently indicated that lower income Americans were being hit harder by the economy as he showed that lower income Americans continue to suffer disproportionately higher unemployment than middle and upper class Americans.
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Oh yeah, he's got this one all locked up...
 
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Whoozyerdaddy said:
One percent growth vs the epic fucking disaster we have now... :hmm:

I still vote none of the above but really... that was a total 'shoot yourself in the foot' example.
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No, it's not. Since you are that clueless, you can't compare apples and oranges - Romney didn't take over an economy in the greatest financial crash since the great depression.

You can compare apples and apples - Romney in the same period to 49 other governors.

If these was some disastrous reason for Massachussets to be 47th, fine; there wasn't it appears. Unlike one of the three worse than him, Louisiana, who had Katrina.
 
davmat787 said:
I thought I read something related to RomneyCare and its impact on job growth. Could be wrong, but anyone know what the impact of RomneyCare is/was in relation to job creation? Just curious if anyone knows off hand, will look myself tomorrow.
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I don't have those numbers. I do think that 'Medicare for all' is a good idea because of the benefits to citizens and the reduced costs to society regardless of jobs.

I do have interesting numbers showing that 63% of Massachussets voters approve of Romney care, up 10% the last 2 years - a great success for him.

And yet - a minority of those same voters think he should run for President, presumably because of his bad activities in other areas like unemployment.

In fact, remarkably, every single Republican candidate except Gary Johnson loses to Obama and/or has a majority not wanting them to run in their home states.

For example, looking at a couple not in the race, Rick Perry has just 4% of Texans who want him to run; Sarah Palin's approval rating in Alaska was once 86% and is now 36% (13% strongly approve, 23% somewhat approve).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#43388093
 
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boomerang said:
He's smart too.

Unemployment - Up 25%

Debt - Up 35%

Gasoline - Up 104%

Fore more years baby!


The following is for sportage.

How's That Hope and Change Working Out for Obama Supporters?






Oh yeah, he's got this one all locked up...
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Obama has broken many campaign promises and stated plans.

But here's the thing the Republicans who post that in glee miss:

On basically every one of them, he's broken them *against the left*, moving to the right - sometimes under pressure from the right, sometimes just giving in to the right.

But the thing is, on basically every issue off the top of my head, *the right is even worse in the same direction he broke the promise*, and the people know it.

In many cases, the issue has been Obama trying to do what he said and the Republicans filibustering him preventing it.

So if you want to attack Obama for inadequate Wall Street reform, for inadequate stimulus for the economy, for not ending the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and so on:

Look the Republicans who are worse on all these issues. The Republicans are not a choice to keep the broken Obama promises - they promise to do even less of them.

It's like having the arsonist say to elect him to the fire department because the fire department isn't putting them out quickly - promising to get rid of all fire engines.
 
The lesser of two evils is Obama even with his ObamaCare. That can be fine tuned, and modified if necessary. The one thing that is really a plus, is he can compromise. He also genuinely cares about people. Since the conservatives were voted in office in 2010, we have already seen a decline. You can't operate without revenue, and their idea of revenue causes job loss and clearly violates humanity. I find that their platform is all about job loss. How ironic is that. The very thing that they stand for causes job loss, tons of them. When Bush was in office the middle class shrunk the largest percentage in history. How people forgot what caused this mess in the first place. When large corporations make money and have it in their pockets, they give themselves bonuses and raises.
If they need to make a profit, they lay people off. In NC legislature our Speaker of the House said he would cut the payroll with his office staff, and not raise taxes. Before they let a small one half tax expire he gave half of his staff 20 percent raises. So, much for his word. You see they DO lie. I put my money in investment and savings. If I need it I draw from that. When Democrats spend they raise taxes. When Republicans spend they borrow. Their ideas for Medicare and Social Security make me shudder. I'm a lover of all kinds of music, and I remember a really interesting quote by Neil Diamond early in the year. "People need to just shut their mouths, and let the man do his job." I fully agree.
 
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Sbeacher said:
The lesser of two evils is Obama even with his ObamaCare. That can be fine tuned, and modified if necessary. The one thing that is really a plus, is he can compromise. He also genuinely cares about people.
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The last two sentences contradict. Even with a huge democrat majority and complete control of the government, he caved to the republicans when it came to healthcare. That's not the good kind of compromise. He sold the American people to his buddies in the insurance industry.
 
Craig234 said:
Obama has broken many campaign promises and stated plans.

But here's the thing the Republicans who post that in glee miss:

On basically every one of them, he's broken them *against the left*, moving to the right - sometimes under pressure from the right, sometimes just giving in to the right.

But the thing is, on basically every issue off the top of my head, *the right is even worse in the same direction he broke the promise*, and the people know it.

In many cases, the issue has been Obama trying to do what he said and the Republicans filibustering him preventing it.

So if you want to attack Obama for inadequate Wall Street reform, for inadequate stimulus for the economy, for not ending the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and so on:

Look the Republicans who are worse on all these issues. The Republicans are not a choice to keep the broken Obama promises - they promise to do even less of them.

It's like having the arsonist say to elect him to the fire department because the fire department isn't putting them out quickly - promising to get rid of all fire engines.
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Considering his opinions and actions supporting things which would make Nixon's actions legal and his support for things like warrantless wiretaps, it's my opinion that we're comparing the size of piles of poop. Yet again no one to vote for, just a question of who to vote against. What a tits up system.
 
ShawnD1 said:
The last two sentences contradict. Even with a huge democrat majority and complete control of the government, he caved to the republicans when it came to healthcare. That's not the good kind of compromise. He sold the American people to his buddies in the insurance industry.
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First, he never had 'complete control of the government' or a far more liberal version of healthcare would have passed. Between Republican ABUSE of the filibuster requiring 60 instead of 50 votes - something for which they were not held accountable politically - and a few bad Democrats milking the situation for their votes, he had to make bad compromises to get the votes.

In conjunction with that, he was not unaware of the crash and burn of Bill Clinton's attempt 15 years earlier because the well-funded industries fought him.

Strategically, he wanted to try to get SOMETHING better passed that was heavily compromised - which he seemed to think needed buying off the industries.

And finally, people like Rahm and even he are friendlier to the corporate interests than the left likes. Better than Republicans, but too friendly.

You misrepresent the above with phrases like 'buddies in the insurance industry' like he's a Republican - where that's a far more accurate description - instead of 'compromising with the powerful insurance industry to avoid the loss that happened to the Clinton effort'. The real enemy here is the powerful industry, not Obama.

There is a lot of room for valid criticism of the industry and of Obama that prevents our passing what we should have, Medicare for all, but the Republicans are much worse than Obama on the issue.
 
I don't think I'm voting for either of the major parties anymore. I'd be an idiot to actually think one them was going to do something different from other one, again. Obama is a sad sack though.
 
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