Obama lied about Benghazi

[Genx87]

With all this hang wringing about Bengahzi exactly when did Republicans hold hearings about how we got into Iraq? Since those actions led to American deaths BEFORE the fact.

We had the hearings before the invasion and voted yes to go in.

 

[fskimospy]

With all this hang wringing about Bengahzi exactly when did Republicans hold hearings about how we got into Iraq? Since those actions led to American deaths BEFORE the fact.

You have to realize that they have been desperately searching with something to attack Obama with for almost five years now. At this point they think they have come up with the fact that Obama had wrong talking points for a few days after an attack, and that this is a combination of Watergate and Iran-Contra times ten. (Thanks, Peter King!) Needless to say, it's not.

Even if every single thing they accused Obama of were true it doesn't amount to much. I do appreciate the irony of conservatives suddenly being TERRIBLY CONCERNED about administration officials misleading the public, however, just after the ten year anniversary of the Iraq War. I fully expect numerous calls for impeachment with no self awareness of the irony.

 

[HomerJS]

We had the hearings before the invasion and voted yes to go in.

I mean the hearings about the false intelligence. That so called intel led to people making decision to go in.

 

[Genx87]

I mean the hearings about the false intelligence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_on_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq

 

[fskimospy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_on_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq

You will of course note the conspicuous absence of the follow-on investigation as to how the administration used that intelligence and whether or not their statements were in line with it.

 

[Genx87]

You will of course note the conspicuous absence of the follow-on investigation as to how the administration used that intelligence and whether or not their statements were in line with it.

What do you think Phase II was about?

that "phase two" of the investigation, which was to include an assessment of how the Iraqi WMD intelligence was used by senior policymakers, would be completed quickly

Phase II of the report was publicly released on Thursday June 5, 2008 whether statements by US Government officials were substantiated by intelligence reports.

This was a bi-partisan majority report (10-5) and "details inappropriate, sensitive intelligence activities conducted by the DoD’s Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, without the knowledge of the Intelligence Community or the State Department." It concludes that the US Administration "repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.” These included President Bush's statements of a partnership between Iraq and Al Qa'ida, that Saddam Hussein was preparing to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups, and Iraq's capability to produce chemical weapons.

The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen.Jay Rockefeller, stated in press release of report's publication“It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa’ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa’ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses. While the report highlights many of the problems with the intelligence and criticizes the Bush Administration for its handling of the lead up to the war and its reasons for doing so, the report also supports in many cases that claims made by the Bush Administration about Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction programs were "generally substantiated by the intelligence".

“There is no question we all relied on flawed intelligence. But, there is a fundamental difference between relying on incorrect intelligence and deliberately painting a picture to the American people that you know is not fully accurate."

 

[waggy]

You have to realize that they have been desperately searching with something to attack Obama with for almost five years now. At this point they think they have come up with the fact that Obama had wrong talking points for a few days after an attack, and that this is a combination of Watergate and Iran-Contra times ten. (Thanks, Peter King!) Needless to say, it's not.

Even if every single thing they accused Obama of were true it doesn't amount to much. I do appreciate the irony of conservatives suddenly being TERRIBLY CONCERNED about administration officials misleading the public, however, just after the ten year anniversary of the Iraq War. I fully expect numerous calls for impeachment with no self awareness of the irony.

I feel it's more then this to be honest.

teh last thread i backed obama. it made (and makes) no sense for Obama to lie. The admin gave a reason i accepted it and moved on. hell i have even bashed those who continued to mention it. guess i was wrong.

The fact that information is comeing out that A) they refused help B) there was help available.

To me the fact they wouldn't do anything and everything they could to save US citizens when needed is disgusting. Then they lie about it? for what gain? seems it is far worse to lie and be found out. then just admit it at the time.

I want the truth on what happened. I don't want the truth so it can hurt Obama. I want the truth out so those that did it are known and hopefully NOTHING like this happens.



everyone brings up IRAQ/Afghanastan. to a point i agree we should NEVER have gone. The trouble is who to blame? i know everyone wants to blame Bush but he is not the only one. you would have to punish EVERYONE who voted for it.

BUT we should keep it in mind EVERY TIME people want to send troops into harms way. Far to many good men and women died over nothing and its rather sad.

Wich is why i am hesitant to even discuss sending goods or men to syra.

 

[TerryMathews]

You will of course note the conspicuous absence of the follow-on investigation as to how the administration used that intelligence and whether or not their statements were in line with it.

What do you think Phase II was about?

Lol. Owned.

 

[HomerJS]

I feel it's more then this to be honest.

teh last thread i backed obama. it made (and makes) no sense for Obama to lie. The admin gave a reason i accepted it and moved on. hell i have even bashed those who continued to mention it. guess i was wrong.

The fact that information is comeing out that A) they refused help B) there was help available.

To me the fact they wouldn't do anything and everything they could to save US citizens when needed is disgusting. Then they lie about it? for what gain? seems it is far worse to lie and be found out. then just admit it at the time.

I want the truth on what happened. I don't want the truth so it can hurt Obama. I want the truth out so those that did it are known and hopefully NOTHING like this happens.



everyone brings up IRAQ/Afghanastan. to a point i agree we should NEVER have gone. The trouble is who to blame? i know everyone wants to blame Bush but he is not the only one. you would have to punish EVERYONE who voted for it.

BUT we should keep it in mind EVERY TIME people want to send troops into harms way. Far to many good men and women died over nothing and its rather sad.

Wich is why i am hesitant to even discuss sending goods or men to syra.

My theory was Bush himself had nothing to do with manipulation of intel that was Cheney and his immediate staff. President's staff have a job on insulating him from that kind of dirty work.

 

[waggy]

My theory was Bush himself had nothing to do with manipulation of intel that was Cheney and his immediate staff. President's staff have a job on insulating him from that kind of dirty work.

I agree.

I feel the same abotu Benghazi. i don't think Obama had anything to do with it. but perhaps some that work under him did.

 

[nextJin]

My theory was Bush himself had nothing to do with manipulation of intel that was Cheney and his immediate staff. President's staff have a job on insulating him from that kind of dirty work.

Bingo.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol. Owned.

Uhmm, did you read the Phase 2 section? That was my point. Oddly, I saw no calls for impeachment after that from Republicans despite the findings of that report. I fully expect calls for impeachment from the lunatic fringe over this.

 

[waggy]

Uhmm, did you read the Phase 2 section? That was my point. Oddly, I saw no calls for impeachment after that from Republicans despite the findings of that report. I fully expect calls for impeachment from the lunatic fringe over this.

Impeachment? lol. there was calls from the lunatic fringe for bush's impeachment. just as there will be from the flip side for Obama's.

Both are wrong.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Impeachment? lol. there was calls from the lunatic fringe for bush's impeachment. just as there will be from the flip side for Obama's.

Both are wrong.

Here's Interesting read on this.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/27-of-35-bush-articles-of-impeachment-apply-to-obama.html

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Wait a second, 9 pages of blah blah for a short right wing blog quoting a Democratic Senator?

Hard hitting stuff.

 

[fskimospy]

Impeachment? lol. there was calls from the lunatic fringe for bush's impeachment. just as there will be from the flip side for Obama's.

Both are wrong.

Oh I mean elected officials on the lunatic fringe.

Both sides have crazies, but only one side elects them to office on a regular basis.

 

[TerryMathews]

Oh I mean elected officials on the lunatic fringe.

Both sides have crazies, but only one side elects them to office on a regular basis.

Lol. Are you serious? There are crazies on both sides of the aisle.

How many terms has feinstein had?

 

[BoberFett]

Lol. Are you serious? There are crazies on both sides of the aisle.

How many terms has feinstein had?

Partisans like eskimospy like to convince themselves that they're the sensible middle, rather than the lunatic fringer he himself is. That's how he can also convince himself that everybody on his team is normal, it's the OTHER team that's crazy.

 

[waggy]

Oh I mean elected officials on the lunatic fringe.

Both sides have crazies, but only one side elects them to office on a regular basis.

lol bullshit.

both sides elect insane people.

 

[Matt1970]

lol bullshit.

both sides elect insane people.

Yes they do and has been proven over and over again.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol. Are you serious? There are crazies on both sides of the aisle.

How many terms has feinstein had?

Are you genuinely trying to make the claim that both parties elect officials on the fringe in equal numbers and of equal craziness? Really?

If you are, I welcome that debate, lol.

 

[TerryMathews]

Are you genuinely trying to make the claim that both parties elect officials on the fringe in equal numbers and of equal craziness? Really?

If you are, I welcome that debate, lol.

You're the one asserting that Republicans do and Democrats do not. Prove it.

For every Todd Akin you can find I can find a Jesse Jackson Jr.

For every republican you can find that you claim "hates women" I can find a Democrat that will defend Gosnell to their dying breath.

 

[nextJin]

I can find a Democrat that will defend Gosnell to their dying breath.

That I would love to see.

 

[piasabird]

Obammah ordered people to die so his scheme where he was selling guns to terrorists would not be uncovered while he was running for reelection. He has obstructed justice. It is time to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate this for prosecution.

OBammah Lied -- People Died!

 

[fskimospy]

You're the one asserting that Republicans do and Democrats do not. Prove it.

For every Todd Akin you can find I can find a Jesse Jackson Jr.

For every republican you can find that you claim "hates women" I can find a Democrat that will defend Gosnell to their dying breath.

Haha, I doubt very much that you will be able to. You guys frequently forget the sheer volume of absolute insanity that comes out of elected Republican officials.

I will have to do this later this afternoon, and maybe in a new thread, but I will limit myself to things that elected federal house and senate members have said within the last five years.

Lol.