Obama lied about Benghazi

[TerryMathews]

Haha, I doubt very much that you will be able to. You guys frequently forget the sheer volume of absolute insanity that comes out of elected Republican officials.

I will have to do this later this afternoon, and maybe in a new thread, but I will limit myself to things that elected federal house and senate members have said within the last five years.

Lol.

I'll start.

Feinstein is an expert on assault weapons. Because she's looked at thousands of pictures of them.

In other news, I'm a gynecologist.

 

[HomerJS]

Lol. Are you serious? There are crazies on both sides of the aisle.

How many terms has feinstein had?

When Diane starts claiming science is the work of the devil I'll agree with you.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll start.

Feinstein is an expert on assault weapons. Because she's looked at thousands of pictures of them.

In other news, I'm a gynecologist.

Ok, my turn.

Michele Bachmann claimed that Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff was part of a secret Muslim conspiracy.

 

[Genx87]

Ok, my turn.

Michele Bachmann claimed that Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff was part of a secret Muslim conspiracy.

Great we have now found our outer bounds of lunacy. Now lets move inwards and see how truely crazy both parties have become.

I nominate Harry Reid who once said income taxes are voluntary. I guess if voluntary includes either paying them or having the govt come take them at gun point while tossing you in jail.

 

[fskimospy]

John Shimkus said that one of the reasons he voted against cap and trade was that god wouldn't allow the earth to be destroyed by flooding.

 

[fskimospy]

Alan West claimed that up to 80 democrats in the house are communists.

 

[Matt1970]

So now we are going to start listing them........

 

[fskimospy]

Rep Gohmert recently said he believes the Obama administration is performing poorly because it is so infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood members.

 

[HomerJS]

Ok, my turn.

Michele Bachmann claimed that Hillary Clinton's deputy chief of staff was part of a secret Muslim conspiracy.

MB also said founding fathers ended slavery

 

[Genx87]

John Shimkus said that one of the reasons he voted against cap and trade was that god wouldn't allow the earth to be destroyed by flooding.

Haha now that is funny. This is fun pointing out the crazies in each party.

Shelia Jackson Lee referred to herself as a freed slave.

 

[woolfe9998]

I'll start.

Feinstein is an expert on assault weapons. Because she's looked at thousands of pictures of them.

In other news, I'm a gynecologist.

A politician opines about something for which she lacks expertise? That is actually the norm. We don't elect firearms experts to make laws pertaining to firearms, healthcare experts to make healthcare laws, ph.d economists to make laws related to the economy. It's hardly crazy to opine about assault weapons without being an expert on them. You just disagree with her stance on the issue. So do I, but 404 craziness not found.

 

[werepossum]

I think there is a huge impact initial and over time.

Just look at this thread.

Obama and his team lied about the event.

But all their supporters are saying its no big deal, and going after the GOP for continuing to go after the story.

IMHO in the mainstream, the people have moved on. And really dont care about wheater or not it was a lie.

IE Obama got away with it.

I think Obama got away with it because most people just see this as politics as usual.

I think it is more like the fact the American people aren't surprised? We are somewhat familiar with terrorism now. Perhaps not familiar with the motivations, but certainly not surprised by terrorists acts...Horrified by them? Yes, but not surprised.

Which makes the administration's narrative these last several months all the more puzzling in some ways. What possible harm other than to his chances of re-election would showing integrity and telling the truth do?

I think that is the core here. Integrity. In a world of spin, they could have possibly spun these events in a way that gave the nation resolve and had minimal impact to his campaign, but they went the route of fear and decided to gloss over the issue with intentional misinformation.

Poor analogy... But most thinking conservatives weren't pissed off about Clinton getting head in a closet off the Oval Office. Good for him! They were pissed about the perjury and that is why he was impeached.

Do I think this event is impeachable? You never know. Reality is, it probably isn't. It does however potentially neuter the rest of his presidency and certainly stands to prevent Hillary from easily attaining the presidency herself.

Obama has stated time and time again on numerous policy statements about holding people accountable. It should be no different for this event either. Besides, he can always pardon them on his way out of office.

I don't think this is going to handicap Obama or necessarily damage Hillary politically. If they had fabricated a story, then yes, it would be very politically damaging. Instead, they took the most politically favorable marginally possible explanation and ran with it. This maintains plausible deniability because intel is never exact, but is always a spread of possibilities with varying likelihoods. Is this really that different from Bush picking and choosing among various pieces of intel to support going to war with Iraq? I see them as much the same, and doing so in support of going to war has to call for more truth and honesty than does explaining deaths which have already occurred.

Honestly, I see this as a bad decision. Maybe Obama made it, maybe Hillary made it, maybe someone lower made it and they merely signed off on it. I'm all for demanding accountability in government, punishing incompetence as well as corruption, but I'm not going to assume that anyone is always going to make the correct decision. In this case I think they made the wrong decision - certainly with hindsight it was the wrong decision - but then I have little interest in building the appearance of stability for the new Libyan government. I can see how the State Department, which IS interested in building the appearance of stability for the new Libyan government, could make the opposite decision in good faith.

We probably wouldn't had to fire or drop anything. Just the presence of a fighter jet in the sky would have probably scattered the attackers. The fighting went of for some 7 hours so there was time to put just about anything we wanted in the air over the site.

Could be. The consulate itself is fairly isolated, but I don't know from where the mortar was being fired. If it was in the open, you're probably right. If it was on atop or beside homes or other civilian structures, they well have decided to stick it out. But with a fast mover it's very, very easy to fire up the wrong thing. Look at the first Gulf War - outside of one lucky Scud strike, we killed more of our own in blue-on-blue attacks than the Iraqis killed. Even today, two decades later, we're still hitting the wrong targets. If we could put up an AC-130 gunship or an Apache it would be different, but I don't believe we had either on alert and capable of support on short notice as we have no strategic ready flights of gunships and the Apaches and Cobras don't have the range. Remember also that it's not just a matter of putting up the attack craft. We also have to have search and rescue helicopters in the area in case one of the attack craft goes down, and we have to have an ANGLICO or similarly trained ground crew on hand to vector in aircraft and designate targets, whether by description or encoded laser designation. Very difficult to provide all that on short notice without bases in Libya or the surround area, but if you don't, you stand a very real risk of making things worse.

 

[Genx87]

I rather enjoyed listening to Hank Johnson worry about Guam tipping over if we stationed too many Marines on the island.

 

[TerryMathews]

A politician opines about something for which she lacks expertise? That is actually the norm. We don't elect firearms experts to make laws pertaining to firearms, healthcare experts to make healthcare laws, ph.d economists to make laws related to the economy. It's hardly crazy to opine about assault weapons without being an expert on them. You just disagree with her stance on the issue. So do I, but 404 craziness not found.

I don't think you understand. She literally said she was an expert on assault weapons.

 

[Genx87]

If anybody can watch this and tell me she isnt crazy. I would like the know what meds you are on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A

Or even better.

She brings up another case, doesnt know the name of the victim. Then when confronted by another reporter about it she complains about the case being brought up and still couldnt remember her name. Then finishes it off by reminding her voters of the money she gave to the sheriff. Sounds like bribe money to me. And she couldnt even remember the amount she gave him correctly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqugqyTAuVg

 

[TerryMathews]

Rep Gohmert recently said he believes the Obama administration is performing poorly because it is so infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood members.

Joe Biden said "In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

 

[First]

Joe Biden said "In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

What's interesting is that you think the two statements (Biden, Gohmert) can be conflated as equally ridiculous. Says a lot about the radicalized conservative psyche in the country.

 

[fskimospy]

Joe Biden said "In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

John Conyers said" I love these members, they get up and say,

You REALLY don't want to get into racist statements. I can rack those up so fast your head will spin.

Meanwhile in other news Cliff Stearns and many others were/are still birthers.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, so far this isn't even entertaining. His are things like a politician claiming unwarranted expertise, mine are Republicans claiming the government has been subverted by communists and the Muslim Brotherhood and that global warming can't be bad because Jesus.

But yeah, both parties are totally equally crazy.

 

[woolfe9998]

I don't think you understand. She literally said she was an expert on assault weapons.

Can you supply a quote please? I can't find anything other than her saying that because she saw the shot up bodies of Moscone and Milk, she knows first hand the damage inflicted on the body by firearms.

But let's say she implausibly claims expertise. That is puffery. It's hardly crazy like invoking supernatural explanations for why one votes on a bill, or alleging Muslim terrorists are at high levels of government. I'm afraid that you are doing nothing more than equating disagreement with your policy stance with craziness.

Is this really the best you can do to illustrate "crazy?"

 

[ivwshane]

I rather enjoyed listening to Hank Johnson worry about Guam tipping over if we stationed too many Marines on the island.

Yes, I did too but that's because I get his extremely dry sarcasm. Most people don't though and they look like idiots when they think he meant what he said and ignore the sarcasm.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What's interesting is that you think the two statements (Biden, Gohmert) can be conflated as equally ridiculous. Says a lot about the radicalized conservative psyche in the country.

And what does your post say about the radicalized liberal psyche in the country? Lighten the fuck up.

 

[First]

And what does your post say about the radicalized liberal psyche in the country?

Nothing, other than I'm smarter than you.

Lighten the fuck up.

K thanks bye.

 

[Matt1970]

Could be. The consulate itself is fairly isolated, but I don't know from where the mortar was being fired. If it was in the open, you're probably right. If it was on atop or beside homes or other civilian structures, they well have decided to stick it out. But with a fast mover it's very, very easy to fire up the wrong thing. Look at the first Gulf War - outside of one lucky Scud strike, we killed more of our own in blue-on-blue attacks than the Iraqis killed. Even today, two decades later, we're still hitting the wrong targets. If we could put up an AC-130 gunship or an Apache it would be different, but I don't believe we had either on alert and capable of support on short notice as we have no strategic ready flights of gunships and the Apaches and Cobras don't have the range. Remember also that it's not just a matter of putting up the attack craft. We also have to have search and rescue helicopters in the area in case one of the attack craft goes down, and we have to have an ANGLICO or similarly trained ground crew on hand to vector in aircraft and designate targets, whether by description or encoded laser designation. Very difficult to provide all that on short notice without bases in Libya or the surround area, but if you don't, you stand a very real risk of making things worse.

Seems we are quicker to write new gun legislation than we are to react to Benghazi.

 

[Genx87]

I find it amusing the liberals here are taking their ball and going home when comparing the crazies between the parties. I found the quotes legtimately funny on both sides.

Why so serious?