Obama Invokes Executive Privilege on Fast and Furious Documents

[fskimospy]

Your so lost its sad.

Whats Pathetic is simple.

And thats the left.

The left that for 8+ years blames Bush for everything, from day one set out to destroy him for any & everything.

Then elects a guy that operates the same way as the guy they hated, but all of a sudden they have no problems with those actions because he's their guy.

How can you be surprised by republican reaction, when for years the left has had the same response?

So many confusing things here. I can never quite figure something out, is Obama the exact same as Bush or is he a socialist Kenyan commie-nazi who is destroying America? It's always very hard for me to keep straight from day to day and thread to thread which one he's supposed to be.

When you say 'operates the same way', this is a very interesting statement. Operates the same way in what capacity? Every president has invoked executive privilege at one time or another, and I'm pretty sure that very few liberals voted for Obama based on his executive privilege stance. Even funnier though is that there isn't one single person in this thread defending Obama's use of it, yet somehow you've made up in your head that liberals have shifted on this issue. What are you basing this on? I on the other hand am quite confident that many conservatives were big defenders of executive privilege in the past, and apparently not such big fans now.

Also, your post implicitly accepts that Republican opposition to Obama is not based in policy but as payback for a perceived poor treatment of Bush. You've said much more than you realized I bet, but I'm happy to hear you come out and admit it.

 

[Linflas]

Yeah, really. If you fail to close Gitmo it doesn't mean that you just get to pretend it doesn't exist.

Congress had nothing to do with stopping Obama from closing Gitmo as you asserted and that timeline shows that it did not.

 

[nageov3t]

fortunately, Obama found a workaround for the Gitmo issue -- instead of worrying what to do about enemy combatants, just kill them instead (and if you kill people who weren't on the list, just re-classify them as terrorists after the fact. I mean, they were hanging out near a terrorist, they must have been too).

but that's not exactly germane to the discussion.

 

[fskimospy]

Congress had nothing to do with stopping Obama from closing Gitmo as you asserted and that timeline shows that it did not.

Congress most certainly had something to do with stopping Obama from closing Gitmo and your timeline does not show that. Congress has voted at least 4 times since 2009 to bar any funding for the closure of Guantanamo Bay or the transfer of detainees from it.

 

[spidey07]

This is why it's such a big deal - it essentially says the white house was involved.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/...house-of-fast-and-furious-coverup-126759.html

"Until now, everyone believed that the decisions regarding ‘Fast and Furious’ were confined to the Department of Justice," Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said in a statement.

"The White House decision to invoke executive privilege implies that White House officials were either involved in the ‘Fast and Furious’ operation or the cover-up that followed. The Administration has always insisted that wasn't the case. Were they lying, or are they now bending the law to hide the truth?” Buck said.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Congress most certainly had something to do with stopping Obama from closing Gitmo and your timeline does not show that. Congress has voted at least 4 times since 2009 to bar any funding for the closure of Guantanamo Bay or the transfer of detainees from it.

Lets be honest though as he hardly made it a priority. In fact there's not a whole lot of difference between him and his predecessor regarding the WOT. That he signed the NDAA speaks to that. Neither the Dems nor the Reps are very good in this regard.

 

[IGBT]

..and this could be bushes fault too!!

 

[Paul98]

Thanks for the reply.

I am not going to go back and quote my previous posts just because you can't be bothered to read.

 

[fskimospy]

Lets be honest though as he hardly made it a priority. In fact there's not a whole lot of difference between him and his predecessor regarding the WOT. That he signed the NDAA speaks to that. Neither the Dems nor the Reps are very good in this regard.

Sure, I've been very critical of Obama's approach to civil liberties. I just don't see why we need to invent things to criticize Obama about in regards to it when there are so many real ones.

 

[Paul98]

This is why it's such a big deal - it essentially says the white house was involved.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/...house-of-fast-and-furious-coverup-126759.html

That isn't the only reason it may have been invoked, but don't let that bother your screwed up view on reality.

 

[a777pilot]

..and this could be bushes fault too!!

This Fool, Bobo, the Post Turtle, has already said it, Fast and Furious, was started in the Bush Administration.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sure, I've been very critical of Obama's approach to civil liberties. I just don't see why we need to invent things to criticize Obama about in regards to it when there are so many real ones.

There's a whole lot I don't get. I suppose I'm lucky 😀

 

[waggy]

this thread is a great example of what is wrong in politics today.

You have the government doing something very disgusting. they gave guns to Drug cartels to what many believe help erode 2nd amendment rights. In doing so they got a US citizen killed.

The government then does the right thing and look into who did what and why. Yet people on on both sides are useing this to demonize past and current presidents.

Holder should be in contempt. All reports need to come out. IF the President authorized and knew of this then he needs to be held responsible. This was a illegal operation that got a US citizen killed.

i don't give a shit about politics. its ruining the nation.

 

[Druidx]

This is why Obama is know as the black Bush.

 

[Paul98]

And it continues, trolls come out of the woodwork. Totally fine with what one side does even if it has nothing to do with anything other than pulling the other side through the mud.

People need to stop demonizing the other side and defending their side when they are both doing things very wrong. Instead bring up the entire picture so you can see it in context of what is going on.

 

[Genx87]

Congress most certainly had something to do with stopping Obama from closing Gitmo and your timeline does not show that. Congress has voted at least 4 times since 2009 to bar any funding for the closure of Guantanamo Bay or the transfer of detainees from it.

I said this before the election. And we have talked about this on this msgboard. Closing gitmo was a pipedream he was selling to get votes. Congress certainly blocked his attempt to move these guys stateside. But at the same time no foreign country will take these remaining prisoners. That alone doomed gitmo from closing. The Bush admin wanted to close it but literally had nowhere to ship these guys. Maybe somalia, but the uproar would had been louder than those wanting it closed.

I think the whole process of gitmo has proved to be a thorn in the side of our country.
And a poorly thought out response on what to do with these people.

 

[Paul98]

this thread is a great example of what is wrong in politics today.

You have the government doing something very disgusting. they gave guns to Drug cartels to what many believe help erode 2nd amendment rights. In doing so they got a US citizen killed.

The government then does the right thing and look into who did what and why. Yet people on on both sides are useing this to demonize past and current presidents.

Holder should be in contempt. All reports need to come out. IF the President authorized and knew of this then he needs to be held responsible. This was a illegal operation that got a US citizen killed.

i don't give a shit about politics. its ruining the nation.

This is what I have been saying also.

I would like to add, those who started looking into fast and furious don't seem to care about what happened or who did what. Just want to play politics to pull the other side through the mud.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

this thread is a great example of what is wrong in politics today.

You have the government doing something very disgusting. they gave guns to Drug cartels to what many believe help erode 2nd amendment rights. In doing so they got a US citizen killed.

The government then does the right thing and look into who did what and why. Yet people on on both sides are useing this to demonize past and current presidents.

Holder should be in contempt. All reports need to come out. IF the President authorized and knew of this then he needs to be held responsible. This was a illegal operation that got a US citizen killed.

i don't give a shit about politics. its ruining the nation.

While it's true that Bush didn't invent Executive Privilege, he abused the hell out of it. Back then (I told you so moment) I commented that if the Reps didn't reel in the abuses there would be no grounds for complaint when it was used in a situation they didn't like.

Well the hens have come home to roost and while that's not a legitimate reason to excuse what's happened it is an explanation of what you see. For that matter the investigation itself and just about anything you care to mention is politics first, and that's why you'll never have accountability. Protect your own.

We deserve this.

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama Invokes Executive Privilege on Fast and Furious Documents

That's a fuck up.

After a couple years of ensuring everyone that the President was not involved, now he implicates himself as being directly involved in Fast and Furious.

 

[CrackRabbit]

That's a fuck up.

After a couple years of ensuring everyone that the President was not involved, now he implicates himself as being directly involved in Fast and Furious.

It really makes me wonder why Holder hasn't resigned or been thrown under the bus yet.

 

[a777pilot]

It really makes me wonder why Holder hasn't resigned or been thrown under the bus yet.

Answer: He knows too much.

 

[werepossum]

It really makes me wonder why Holder hasn't resigned or been thrown under the bus yet.

No point now, as Obama has taken ownership of the program. Before it wasn't clear (at least to me) that even Holder was involved; now they've made it clear that both Holder and Obama are part of the program.

If this kind of program, intentionally arming drug cartels and embracing the resulting murders for the political points you'll score from them, is your idea of good government, hope and change, then your path is clear - vote Obama/Biden. Otherwise, vote Romney. Got to give the President credit, he's drawn a stark contrast for the voters.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Of course it's a partisan political attack. I think a reasonable person can view Darrell Issa as a truly vile and contemptible human being (which he is) and still not support such an expansive view of executive privilege.

The Republicans have been desperately searching for a scandal about Obama for 3 years now, this is as close as they've been able to come even though it's quite mild. Remember how when they went into office they all pledged to investigate the shit out of Obama? The silence after that has been deafening. Like him or not, from what we've seen to date the Obama administration has been the most scandal free administration in decades (at a minimum).

To be fair, it's hard to find something scandelous when all the guy has ever done is play hoops and golf.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

No point now, as Obama has taken ownership of the program. Before it wasn't clear (at least to me) that even Holder was involved; now they've made it clear that both Holder and Obama are part of the program.

If this kind of program, intentionally arming drug cartels and embracing the resulting murders for the political points you'll score from them, is your idea of good government, hope and change, then your path is clear - vote Obama/Biden. Otherwise, vote Romney. Got to give the President credit, he's drawn a stark contrast for the voters.

The whole program's intent was to drum up support for passing sweeping gun control laws or hopes of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

 

[spidey07]

The whole program's intent was to drum up support for passing sweeping gun control laws or hopes of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Bingo. It's not some conspiracy theory, look back to how much Obama and dems constantly talked about "the flood of guns to mexico and why we need common sense legislation". It was a constant drumbeat, then it died down. I wonder if it died down around the time officer Terry was murdered?