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Obama has broken the back of Republicans

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OneOfTheseDays

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I do not think we will see Republicans attempt these debt ceiling shutdown tactics again in the near term. With midterms coming up it would be political suicide in every way.

The outcome tonight was really what was needed all along in 2011. Obama had to bring the pain to the GOP tactics that were silencing the moderate voices in the GOP. Now Boehner will have room to make the kind of deals most Americans want.

It's going to have to be a bipartisan give and take for progress to be made. This means neither side gets everything they want. The Tea Party tactic of holding the line for purity doesn't work in government. Governance only works through compromise, especially when the GOP controls the house and Democrats control the Senate and White House.
 
BHO was shown what happens whey you try to be a dictator. You have patriots like Ted Cruz standing up to that worthless tyrant.

He started off negotiations with "I will not negotiate" and got his way. You call that bipartisan? I guess so if you like dictatorships.
 
FelixDeCat said:
Lol no. BHO was shown what happens whey you try to be a dictator. You have patriots like Ted Cruz standing up to that worthless tyrant.
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And this is why the Repubs current trend of throwing circular firing squad parties and exclusive in-party russian roulette contests will never end. lol
 
tweaker2 said:
And this is why the Repubs current trend of throwing circular firing squad parties and exclusive in-party russian roulette contests will never end. lol
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Lets negotiate tweaker2. Let me start this negotiation by stating up front that "I will not negotiate". That was the position our glorious dictator took and held all along.

"You can disagree as long as you go along with whatever crap we shove down your throat." That's pretty much the Democrat party line these days.
 
FelixDeCat said:
BHO was shown what happens whey you try to be a dictator. You have patriots like Ted Cruz standing up to that worthless tyrant.

He started off negotiations with "I will not negotiate" and got his way. You call that bipartisan? I guess so if you like dictatorships.
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So... you're saying that the Tea Party won this round?
 
As FelixDeCat has shown, the Tea Party is as Tea party as ever.


I think what has changed is that the moderates now acknowledge that the Tea Party is crazy and won't let them drive us off a cliff. A budget will be ready before Thanksgiving, the Debt ceiling issue is fixed, and Obamacare won't be defunded. Whether much will get done this year, nobody knows but the Tea Party will no longer be able to hold the government hostage.
 
kia75 said:
So... you're saying that the Tea Party won this round?
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I dont put things into a win/loss perspective. BHO got what he wanted but not for as long. But we did show that opposition will not quietly acquiesce.

You could call that a 'tie'.
 
FelixDeCat said:
BHO was shown what happens whey you try to be a dictator. You have patriots like Ted Cruz standing up to that worthless tyrant.

He started off negotiations with "I will not negotiate" and got his way. You call that bipartisan? I guess so if you like dictatorships.
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ACA was signed into law on March 23, 2010.

There have been numerous attempts to repeal it, delay it, or defend it by Republicans and all have failed.

The Supreme Court upheld the law June 28th 2012.

So as you can see, there was nothing to negotiate about. This is how out government works if you don't like it you have the freedom to move to another country. Honestly, if Republicans would have succeeded it would have undermined everything this country has been built on and I am happy they failed.
 
FelixDeCat said:
I dont put things into a win/loss perspective. BHO got what he wanted but not for as long. But we did show that opposition will not quietly acquiesce.

You could call that a 'tie'.
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Actually the Tea Party lost big time. Their popularity is at record lows and they gained nothing of substance from these tactics.

This will translate to lost races in the midterm elections and less influence going forward.
 
FelixDeCat said:
Lets negotiate tweaker2. Let me start this negotiation by stating up front that "I will not negotiate". That was position our glorious dictator took and held all along.

"You can disagree as long as you go along with whatever crap we shove down your throat." That's pretty much the Democrat party line these days.
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And even more evidence of why the Repubs are going to lose even more elections than in 2012.

The logic you're providing here is, in it's final form, one of the main causes of the Repub Party's undoing now and in the near future.

Denial begets a firmer form of denial. I hope for the sake of the Repub Party, they, (and you )catch on to this and stop the hemorrhaging that's going on there. 😉
 
I think it means there is a hope of moderate Republicans getting more party funds to run against those that will not play ball with the party leadership.
 
tweaker2 said:
And even more evidence of why the Repubs are going to lose even more elections than in 2012.

The logic you're providing here is, in it's final form, one of the main causes of the Repub Party's undoing now and in the near future.

Denial begets a firmer form of denial. I hope for the sake of the Repub Party, they, (and you )catch on to this and stop the hemorrhaging that's going on there. 😉
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Nope, only lost the Presidency not the House and increased in the Senate. Gonna take the Senate in 2014 and keep the House. No hemorrhaging here except keeping Obama ineffective.
 
OneOfTheseDays said:
Actually the Tea Party lost big time. Their popularity is at record lows and they gained nothing of substance from these tactics.

This will translate to lost races in the midterm elections and less influence going forward.
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Ted Cruz is not here to win popularity contests, he is here to stop the madness of the BHO administration. :|
 
FelixDeCat said:
BHO was shown what happens whey you try to be a dictator. You have patriots like Ted Cruz standing up to that worthless tyrant.

He started off negotiations with "I will not negotiate" and got his way. You call that bipartisan? I guess so if you like dictatorships.
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ABC10 said:
Nope, only lost the Presidency not the House and increased in the Senate. Gonna take the Senate in 2014 and keep the House. No hemorrhaging here except keeping Obama ineffective.
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Some of the Repub gains and holdings were due to geryymandering, some others due to the imbalance of Dem and Repub seats that were up for grabs. I don't have solid numbers, but I think you need to consider those factors in arriving at a sensible conclusion.

As far as keeping Obama ineffective, that may very well be a reason many more voters will vote Dem the next time around, as this fixation with stonewalling Obama via obstructionism, filibustering, hostage taking and fabulously embellished propaganda ploys have had the habit of backfiring of late, and if left unrestrained, will only make things worse for the Repub's chances in 2014.
 
I think the OP's conclusion is a bit hyperbolic. The GOP certainly lost this round soundly. But they'll be back. They're quite cunning when it comes to politics, probably more so than the dems. Their problem right now is an internal ideological division. In the worse case for them there is an actual party split, in which case both factions will be in the wilderness. However, I tend to think they'll work it out.
 
Wooooo....that was a close one. I'm glad Obama led the country to our salvation. Oh wait.....nobody won anything, especially the American people.
 
ABC10 said:
Nope, only lost the Presidency not the House and increased in the Senate. Gonna take the Senate in 2014 and keep the House. No hemorrhaging here except keeping Obama ineffective.
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Umm in the 2012 election the Dems picked up seats in both the Senate(2 or 3) and the House(6). The GOP was expected to gain Senate seats in 2012, but they lost them. Prior to these current shenanigans they were expected to come close to 50/50 in 2014, that might not happen anymore. It wont happen if tea party candidates get nominated in key states. The GOP will be losing house seats. Probably not the majority but they definitely lose more seats.

I predict the dems narrowly holding the Senate with 50 or 51 seats and I see the Dems approaching 200 house seats.
 
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I wonder what Ted Cruz is thinking at the moment, now that his comical suicide bomber attack at the White House front door looks more like an angry spoiled brat kicking at his sister's bedroom door screaming to let him in.
 
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