Obama had Trumps phone tapped?

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werepossum

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Have to look at the evidence. On the "Trump was likely telling the truth" side, we have the apparent fact that the FBI twice tried to get warrants to wiretap Trump aides. On the "Trump was likely not telling the truth" side, we have the absolute fact that Trump is making this claim. Given that President Trump is outrageously dishonest even by politician standards, anything he says without concrete proof must be assumed to be a lie. It's just statistics.
 
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And the back pedaling begins.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html?adkey=bn

Spicer said. "The President used the word wiretaps in quotes to mean, broadly, surveillance and other activities."

He didn't say that. He was very explicit in his statement. The man, and by extension, his admin can not accept responsibility for anything. Just say yeah, he was wrong and kill the matter entirely. This is just stupid policy to keep this going in this manner.
 
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And the back pedaling begins.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html?adkey=bn



He didn't say that. He was very explicit in his statement. The man, and by extension, his admin can not accept responsibility for anything. Just say yeah, he was wrong and kill the matter entirely. This is just stupid policy to keep this going in this manner.

Jesus tapdancing christ.... and yet folks here and across this great land of ours will defend this xenophobic sweet potato in a bad suit.
drumpf supporter: "I like him because he means what he says"
drumpf: "unless i don't, which can be anytime, but when I do mean it I mean it bigly"
 

Jhhnn

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And the back pedaling begins.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html?adkey=bn



He didn't say that. He was very explicit in his statement. The man, and by extension, his admin can not accept responsibility for anything. Just say yeah, he was wrong and kill the matter entirely. This is just stupid policy to keep this going in this manner.

It serves the purpose of distracting attention from Sessions & the rest of the Repubs Hell bent on wrecking the govt of the people.
 

BonzaiDuck

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At best, the Trumpers in the White House are inept and ignorant. At worst, they are treasonous.

You really need to look at this over the wider field of events and issues going back before Snowden. I still run into Millennial chuckleheads who think Snowden is a hero, and that there's some pervert at NSA with Kleenex and Vaseline on his desk listening in on their phone-sex with some bimbo up in Reno. They forget -- or never saw the re-runs -- of the Andy Griffith show and the party-line in Mayberry.

Back in the fall of 2015 and then again in early 2016, a major GOP primary debate and then a Democratic Town Hall were scheduled for broadcast. Within a 30-hour period before the events, there were news-frenzies about school terror hoaxes directed at the main big-city school districts of LA and New York, respectively. These were intensively Blue voting districts, all within a 50 mile radius of major terror-attack Ground-Zeros.

The perpetrators could have been teenagers fascinated with the journals of Josef Goebbels. They could easily have been individual Trump, Christie, Cruz or other supporters, since the hoaxes would feed the mantra of any among those candidates. They could equally have been perpetrated by irresponsible, unprincipled campaign organizations.

FBI traced the IP-address origin of the hoaxes to eastern Germany -- once East Germany -- a place which had long been a hotbed of intelligence activity and intrigue -- a place where Vladimir Putin had spent his early KGB career.

I wrote an e-mail to the White House, adamantly insisting that they identify the perpetrators. I was puzzled with the possibility that the Russians were behind it, but then I recalled all I know about Cold War history: and there are Russian motivations on steroids. No further news about the hoaxes appeared since then.

If I were the President of the United States, and if I genuinely concerned myself with the national security of the United States, I might have been compelled to seek "wire-taps" on anyone suspected of the hoaxes or anything else that put a thumb on the election-scale. And I would certainly wonder about a candidate who shamelessly and publicly asked the Russians to hack his opposition's personal server -- regardless what implications that server had for other concerns.

Trump is making fanfare with his claim that "Obama wire-tapped him." Nobody is pushing the notion that Trump may have collaborated with the Russians, therefore a Traitor. Or, if they're pushing it, it is in muffled whispers about "possible collaboration.

"Treason doth not prosper, for if it did -- none would dare call it Treason."

To put it another way: I already believe that Trump is a Traitor to God and to his fellow man: he makes sly little jokes dismissive of established Christian religions -- never mind his Muslim obsession; he betrayed a third of the Carrier workers who had already done their Xmas shopping as they believed their jobs were secure; he betrayed a hundred or more people with his moratorium on Muslim travel from his casually-selected Muslim states. And now, once again, he's betrayed part of his base, who will be big Losers with the proposed TrumpCare plan.

Now, he's grown paranoid, thinking someone tapped his phone, because he's worried that he "did something" or doesn't remember exactly what he did.

There are enough dots to connect that would've ruined his chances even for a primary win, and which would lead the scientifically-inclined to bet that he betrayed his country. The legal standard has a built-in bias to protect the innocent while overlooking those who pass through the "not guilty" hoop.

The Republicans don't want to visit those possibilities, because all they care about is hanging on to power.

They're all Traitors for that. So, last week, I quietly told my dentist of 15 years to f*** off, and in a month's time, I will blast my car mechanic with double-canisters of verbal shrapnel that will leave his ears ringing and his face stinging throughout the day. There are other dentists, other doctors, other car-mechanics, other green-grocers. The unabashed Trumpers have to be taught a lesson, even in a state where they had been mere cheerleaders -- a minority whose vote counted for less than nothing.
 
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Have to look at the evidence. On the "Trump was likely telling the truth" side, we have the apparent fact that the FBI twice tried to get warrants to wiretap Trump aides. On the "Trump was likely not telling the truth" side, we have the absolute fact that Trump is making this claim. Given that President Trump is outrageously dishonest even by politician standards, anything he says without concrete proof must be assumed to be a lie. It's just statistics.

Whoa totally unexpected Elite Possum
 

IGBT

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Allow me to decode: Trump called our bluff and forced our hand on our fantasy claim of Trump being a Russian agent. We are back stepping our Fake Fantasy claims because we don't want to go to jail for surveilling Trump and his advisors without legal authorization. We have lied under oath before (Clapper) and will again if necessary to stay out of the slammer and keep the disinformation campaign going full speed ahead. It's what we do and all we have.

Sincerely, Liberal Willing Accomplices in the...

Intelligence Community.
 

brycejones

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Allow me to decode: Trump called our bluff and forced our hand on our fantasy claim of Trump being a Russian agent. We are back stepping our Fake Fantasy claims because we don't want to go to jail for surveilling Trump and his advisors without legal authorization. We have lied under oath before (Clapper) and will again if necessary to stay out of the slammer and keep the disinformation campaign going full speed ahead. It's what we do and all we have.

Sincerely, Liberal Willing Accomplices in the...

Intelligence Community.

Your poor liver
 

Jhhnn

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Allow me to decode: Trump called our bluff and forced our hand on our fantasy claim of Trump being a Russian agent. We are back stepping our Fake Fantasy claims because we don't want to go to jail for surveilling Trump and his advisors without legal authorization. We have lied under oath before (Clapper) and will again if necessary to stay out of the slammer and keep the disinformation campaign going full speed ahead. It's what we do and all we have.

Sincerely, Liberal Willing Accomplices in the...

Intelligence Community.

So, you got nuthin' but conspiracy theory, right? Guess what? Neither does Trump.
 

HomerJS

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Allow me to decode: Trump called our bluff and forced our hand on our fantasy claim of Trump being a Russian agent. We are back stepping our Fake Fantasy claims because we don't want to go to jail for surveilling Trump and his advisors without legal authorization. We have lied under oath before (Clapper) and will again if necessary to stay out of the slammer and keep the disinformation campaign going full speed ahead. It's what we do and all we have.

Sincerely, Liberal Willing Accomplices in the...

Intelligence Community.
Once you get confirmation from Comey today nothing there on the wiretap claim please take the above post and put it back in your ass from where you pulled it.
 

mikeymikec

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Has everyone here encountered a young child who, after hearing a conversation about some unusual situation, wants to feel included so they say something like "oh yeah, that happened to me once!", when it obviously didn't...?

Oh don't mind me, that thought just seemed related to the topic.
 

jackstar7

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Jhhnn

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IDK if Obama, or really his admin, had Trump tapped (or accessed the data the NSA has). However, pretending that our Intel community is above question is stupid. How many examples does one need?

Click here and watch the video (scroll down a wee bit). Hear about it from Dennis Kucinich himself:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...s-congress-cia-wiretaps-are-real-and-it-happe

Fern

Kucinich is working his own conspiracy theory-

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...umps-but-hes-got-point-about-wiretapping.html

Citing one conspiracy theory to back up another won't fly other than among the True Believers.
 

Fern

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Kucinich is working his own conspiracy theory-

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...umps-but-hes-got-point-about-wiretapping.html

Citing one conspiracy theory to back up another won't fly other than among the True Believers.

I don't see how Kucinich's claim can reasonably be termed a "conspiracy theory". He was tapped and the recording of the convo was leaked. I am not aware of any denial of that. There's merely the question of who did the 'tapping' and leaking. (Gotta love FOIA requests. He was a sitting Congressman and after 5 years or so he hasn't received zip from his request.)

I don't think Kucinich's claim supports Trump's claim. It does, however, support the contention (that I share) that we've got problems in the Intel community.

Fern
 
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VRAMdemon

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I still can't figure out what is supposed to have been the point of Obama doing this. Their fantasy apparently involves Obama being so frantic to hear what Trump is saying that he'd have some sort of massively awkward conversation with the UK intelligence service...."please, guys, I can't ask our FBI or NSA to do this...ya gotta help me...I just GOTTA hear what Trump is saying...."
 

zinfamous

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Allow me to decode: Trump called our bluff and forced our hand on our fantasy claim of Trump being a Russian agent. We are back stepping our Fake Fantasy claims because we don't want to go to jail for surveilling Trump and his advisors without legal authorization. We have lied under oath before (Clapper) and will again if necessary to stay out of the slammer and keep the disinformation campaign going full speed ahead. It's what we do and all we have.

Sincerely, Liberal Willing Accomplices in the...

Intelligence Community.

You need to stop buying shitty mushrooms from those dirty ravers that hang around outside your house.

You need to buy mushrooms from dirty hippies. They have the good mushrooms. The ravers are selling you toxic mushrooms that are slowly destroying your liver.
 
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I still can't figure out what is supposed to have been the point of Obama doing this. Their fantasy apparently involves Obama being so frantic to hear what Trump is saying that he'd have some sort of massively awkward conversation with the UK intelligence service...."please, guys, I can't ask our FBI or NSA to do this...ya gotta help me...I just GOTTA hear what Trump is saying...."

I think the fantasy is Obama was listening to Trump to feed info to Hillary so even more people would have voted for Trump but since Trump is such an unquestionably ethical guy Obama failed to find any dirt.
 
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I don't see how Kucinich's claim can reasonably be termed a "conspiracy theory". He was tapped and the recording of the convo was leaked. I am not aware of any denial of that. There's merely the question of who did the 'tapping' and leaking. (Gotta love FOIA requests. He was a sitting Congressman and after 5 years or so he hasn't received zip from his request.)

I don't think Kucinich's claim supports Trump's claim. It does, however, support the contention (that I share) that we've got problems in the Intel community.

Fern
There's been plenty of denial of that. He was taking to Qaddafi's son. The contention has always been that is who was tapped. Much like what happened to Flynn.

Is it really surprising to think the U.S. would monitor Qaddafi? Or that he wouldn't record his own call?
 

Jhhnn

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There's merely the question of who did the 'tapping' and leaking.

Which is where Kucinich goes into conspiracy theory. The provenance of the recording is unknowable at this time. If it came from Tripoli it could easily have been the Libyans themselves. Even that is mere conjecture.
 

Fern

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There's been plenty of denial of that. He was taking to Qaddafi's son. The contention has always been that is who was tapped. Much like what happened to Flynn.

Is it really surprising to think the U.S. would monitor Qaddafi? Or that he wouldn't record his own call?

And like Flynn, the convo was leaked. Like with Flynn, that's a felony.

Fern
 
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And like Flynn, the convo was leaked. Like with Flynn, that's a felony.

Fern
Really? If Libya recorded it and leaked it that's a felony?

Learn something new every day.

Problem here is you first have to assume facts to get to your conclusion.