it's going to come down to the super delegates, and I think both Obama and Hillary will have good cases to make for themselves; a lot of it is going to depend on PA, though.
You started the idiocy. But I'm sure I hurt your feelings none the less. If I did, too bad. You'll get over it.
Says a lot about a man that is against a woman because of who she's married to.
I would have no problem supporting Obama if I believed he had the right stuff for the job, but I think he's still too green. I also believe that a Hillary/Obama ticket would unite the whole country and that's the most important factor to me.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Says a lot about a man that is against a woman because of who she's married to.
I would have no problem supporting Obama if I believed he had the right stuff for the job, but I think he's still too green. I also believe that a Hillary/Obama ticket would unite the whole country and that's the most important factor to me.
I have nothing against her. But I hate it when people cheat by taking credit that is not their own.
There is no way Hillary/Obama would unite the nation.
Thump553
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I'm pretty much in the same frame of mind as daveshel, except that I registered Dem a while back when Connecticut had a chance to dump Joe Lieberman.
The main drawback to Hillary being on any ticket is her incredibly high negative ratings. Obama isn't going to help that-not even Jesus Christ would. If Hillary is on the ticket, I predict a McCain win, or if she wins, a weak, one-term, highly devisive presidency. Obama would be hurting himself and the party in the long run by joining that ticket.
Also, traditionally the VP is selected to bring diversity to the ticket, to add something to what the frontrunner has. There is little difference in Hillary and Obama's positions, and neither would substantially attract new voters to the other. Hillary's core-the feminists-would not accept her in the VP slot.
The best thing to do is to slog this through. I'm hoping for two positive results: (1) the attention remains focused on the Dem campaign to the deteriment of McCain and (2) the general public comes to the perception that Obama does have the smarts, judgment and fortitude to deal with the negative campaigning of Hillary. He can go a long way to establishing that capability trumps experience, which will be an important factor in November.
The main drawback to Hillary being on any ticket is her incredibly high negative ratings. Obama isn't going to help that-not even Jesus Christ would. If Hillary is on the ticket, I predict a McCain win, or if she wins, a weak, one-term, highly devisive presidency. Obama would be hurting himself and the party in the long run by joining that ticket.
Also, traditionally the VP is selected to bring diversity to the ticket, to add something to what the frontrunner has. There is little difference in Hillary and Obama's positions, and neither would substantially attract new voters to the other. Hillary's core-the feminists-would not accept her in the VP slot.
The best thing to do is to slog this through. I'm hoping for two positive results: (1) the attention remains focused on the Dem campaign to the deteriment of McCain and (2) the general public comes to the perception that Obama does have the smarts, judgment and fortitude to deal with the negative campaigning of Hillary. He can go a long way to establishing that capability trumps experience, which will be an important factor in November.
Is that prostitute comment toward Hillary any worse than the 'terrorist' term thrown around here toward Obama? Yeah, I know. It's in jest. It doesn't make it right.
It's a match made in heaven, but of course some people's hate of Hillary won't let them see that.
Yeah, I can't beleive people are stupid enopugh to vote for Obama, he's obviously still wet behind the ears.
BeauJangles
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What is Hillary's case? She's not winning this election. She will not have the majority of delegates behind her when the DNC rolls around. IF she wins, it'll be a heist via super delegates which would piss off 1/2 the Democratic Party.
Exactly why a vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain. I will not vote for a person whose ego is so great she will run down her opponent as a worse choice than the Republican. That makes her inferior to McCain whom I will therefore vote for. And He's more liberal anyway.
if Hillary's momentum continues and she wins PA, she can make a case that democratic voters have had second thoughts and that she'll be able to carry far more hispanic voters than Obama, especially when John "McCain-Kennedy" McCain is likely to make a huge push for them.
Too True. The party is on a one way ticket to hell yet again if this battle carries out much longer.
I mean, when's the last time the Dem's did anything ballsy and sensical?
jonks
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Pretty well articulated here: http://www.townhall.com/blog/g...442f-ace5-a483c3056ffd
Cliffs: both she and O will win Blue states and lose red states, but she claims she has a better shot at swing states, as she's won more of the big ones. Electoral college math favors her.
It's still just an argument based on predictions, but superdelegates were created to help steer the party towards the most electable candidate. If they buy her story they might go with her.
I don't like the thought of the pledged delegate count getting ignored by the supers, but it's not like Obama will be walking to the convention with 60% of the vote either. It will likely be a couple percentage points separating them in delegates and the popular vote. The supers were created by the dem party in the 80s to do just what they're going to do now, give the party leaders a bigger voice in picking the nominee, not to simply rubber stamp the delegate count. Again, I think if Obama has the lead in delegates and popular vote I think they should pick him, but I'll vote dem either way.
Uh, maybe there's a reason for that degree of hatred? Hildabeast (apparently we're being cute with names now?) has built up enemies and most of this hatred is from 'the right' anyway. Before things got rolling I was choosing between Edwards, Clinton, and Obama. After hearing all of them I hitched my wagon to Obama. My main peeve about Hillary is she's stooped to mudslinging when Obama was taking the high road. I hope Obama doesn't have to stoop to her level but if that's the only way he can win then he needs to take off the kid gloves.
Vic
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I don't care what you're reading on other sites.
Funny you don't see those kind of posts from me (or even on ATPN that I've seen, but I don't bother to read them all) though but I get labeled just the same...
Some of us don't want to re-elect Bill Clinton. He already served his 2 terms (and I voted for him both times BTW). Some of us can't fool ourselves into believing that we're electing the first woman President when she wouldn't even be running for the office if she didn't have her husband's last name. And even more of us can't trick ourselves into believing that Bill was really that much of a true liberal besides lip-service.
In fact, I think of it as a sick joke that the far left is splitting up the party to support the moderate candidate while the moderates desperately want the more liberal candidate.
So... when, and IF, the Hillary supporters ever decide to refute those valid, logical arguments, without resorting to knee-jerk chants of "hater!" then I might be listening. Until then, don't count it, and I'm just going to assume that every time you call me a hater is just one more time you have chosen to ignore these arguments against Hillary.
The problem it presents is both are high profile. Does a presidential candidate want a VP that could outshine them? Not a good idea.
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