If you see that as her experience, it certainly isn't 35 years of experience (which means she'll have to have started earning her experience points right after college). And making speeches is what she criticizes for and yet claim it for herself? She talks about solutions but all I see in the things you mention is nothing but form over function. Are you impressed with her experience?
Making a speech involves understanding both the subject and the audience, plus she is representing the US in THE up and coming superpower where human right is a sore issue. Coming on too strong damage the relationship, coming on too weak gets nothing accomplished. But I am not surprised you don't consider this serious experience, you Hillary hater either choose to ignore these factors or simply too naive to understand the complexity. And she didn't just go around the world, she goes around the world representing American as the First Lady, and meet high level government officials. Again, all the politics come in place when you meet, talk with high level officials. But hey, as long as you chant your words and ignore the facts enough, I guess you can make yourself believe it.
Sure, sure. I guess sitting on Wal-Mart's board and being a big time corporate lawyer are more geared towards domestic policy than being a civil rights lawyer and a constitutional law professor.
You are trying to compare apples and oranges. You somehow equate experience of any kind as something that is good. I have news for you, experience doesn't mean jack if you are unable to apply the lessons learned from them to your policies.
Clinton visited war torn Bosnia and then proceeds to vote for using force in Iraq. Obviously didn't learn from her experience.
Clinton spoke for women's rights in China and NOW and other women's rights groups are split over her or supporting Obama. Her "experience" must not be too convincing to the very group that she represents.
As for "talking with world leaders"....as the saying goes "Talk is cheap". She has shown that she is able to talk a good game but falls short on delivering results.
Hillbama might be the one thing that could unify the party and prevent one side from walking away from the convention feeling pissed off and slighted.
it'll never happen... it'd make far too much sense and work far too well in furthering the dem's goals of actually winning.
it'll never happen... it'd make far too much sense and work far too well in furthering the dem's goals of actually winning.
There are thousands of Americans working in government that represent the United States officially. She happened to be married to Bill, that's how she got the chance to "represent" the US. Meeting people does not equate to experience. It's sad that you actually think that.
No it doesn't. What kind of naive person believes that?
Making a speech entails reading what the speech writer wrote. Period. Nothing more and nothing less. Now, if there was a Q&A session afterwards that you can show where she was asked about things NOT on the paper and was able to respond coherently, you might have a point.
Bush has given some really good speeches during his term on things that, after a short Q&A following it, I am 100% convinced he didn't know WTF he was talking about.
Yeah there are thousands of American representing the US officially, sadly Obama isn't and wasn't one of them, or I would have given him more credit. It doesn't matter who she married, what matter is the fact that she did represented US, and she did a good job. Did you ever heard she vomited in some state dinner somewhere(I am referring to what Bush Sr. did if you didn't catch it)? Or talk like ignorant monkey about American superiority somewhere else? It's sad that you actually think it's no big deal to represent your country in all kinds of official visits, oh well I understand how people ignore the fact as long as it suit their opinion.
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Obama is a community organizer, an empty suit, the political version of a used car salesman. When is the last time anyone cared about what a community organizer has to say? Why should Obama be any different. He knows the inspirational BS to say, so he says it, but there is no there there.
Yeah and we can see what happen to his rating. Try talk to people from different parts of the world and see how they rate Clinton couple.
The point went straight over your head. Hillary could've been a 25 cents a blow prostitute, but if she marries the President that changes everything? She didn't earn the right to represent America like all the hard-working Americans working in government.
Correct. But she hasn't yet and she certainly didn't earn it in the 1990s when she was just a First Lady.
Are you ignorant? Almost all first lady throughout the history of US act as ambassador in certain capacity, be it domestic or international. It's pathetic that people like you demeaning her and belittle her work by saying she was only able to accomplish those cause she sleeps with Bill Clinton.
I don't really want to have any part of this discussion and don't really care one way or the other. But I do think a HRC/BO ticket would be unstoppable.
HRC 'experience' did began with the House Watergate Committee. Obama can bring the 'DC outsider' and emphasis on change.
What's interesting is that of somewhere around 28 million votes have been cast in Dim primaries. Clinton leads the overall vote by 25k (but OB was not on the Mich ballot).
Mich & Fla, geez, way to screw things up - lol
I'm 200% more impressed with Hillary's experience then I am Obama's.
Bottom line, I'd stand in line to vote for a Hillary/Obama ticket but I might not even bother to go out to vote for an Obama/XYZ ticket.
Where is this 'good of the party' of which you speak? This party that has accomplished doodley-squat after winning both houses in 2006 - just what good is it?
OK, I've been registered Independent most of my life, but I have usually voted for the Dems to block. I'm old enough to remember JFK and what he stood form which I guess is why I've been so disappointed in the Dems ever since. I've tried to support third-party candidates, at least when doing so wouldn't hand the election to dangerous mainstream candidates (a lesson I learned voting for Anderson in 1980 when the WH was ceded to Hollywood).
The two-party system as we know it no longer serves our needs. There is no meaningful discourse or dissent in politics. Nobody is willing to take a stand that might disturb the status quo. And the status quo right now = deep shit.
Obama has been around long enough to understand the game, but not so long that he has become beholden to the system and its pressures. I think he represents the Democratic Party's last chance to be a viable institution in American politics. Obama is 'the good of the party' (such as it is).
Says a lot about a man that prefers a woman who wouldn't be where she is today without her man and likes to claim her husband's credit as her own. Not everyone is privilege to have a powerful significant-otherfamily they can use to gain power. Some people (Obama included) have to work hard and earn everything they get in life.
I don't understand your first statement in regards to the argument. No doubt my statement hurt your feelings though.
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