Obama finally throws Rev. Wright under the bus

[jonks]

Comments made about Wright prior to the national press club speech:

Originally posted by: Craig234
In other words, it reflects well on Obama that he has a relationship with this impressive man

Originally posted by: ericlp
I can relate to Wright he is way more intelligent then Hagee could ever be....

Originally posted by: sandorski
This was a very good Interview. Not only does Wright address all the issues brought against him, but they show extended video clips where all these soundbites come from. It is quite clear that his words have been misrepresented.

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to agree that the somewhat thinking person will see Wright as a person whose comments were taken out of context and therefore the swift boat of Rev Wright will fail with that set.

Originally posted by: Craig234
Wright is right. The only problem is the Democrats not pushing the truth as hard as they need to.

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
What's sad is that it only took a five-second soundbite to brainwash you 😉

Originally posted by: Bird222
See this is the problem you see a couple of clips and extrapolate it to that is all he said every Sunday. :disgust:

Originally posted by: sandorski
Wow, you three are quite clueless on this subject. Wright is not "Racist" at all. Watch the interview.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Those Americans whose self hate has taken the form of substituting real self respect for identification with flag and country will see evil in R. Wright because they will feel their self hate projected back at them through him. This is how self hate makes people morons.

Originally posted by: OrByte
wow the more I hear Rev Wright speak the more I would like to hear more

and the WINNAR!:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, right on the money. I would give Wright a cabinet position.

We should throw the separation of church and state out the window. If Wright can be a key issue in the primaries, I say let the guy start soliciting votes for Obama during sermons.

Fern and Palehorse get gold stars for clear eyed interpretations of Wright before and after his rise and fall.

Ok, so was Bill Maher right about Wright being a dick, eh? Was everyone who saw the short sermon video clips and able to identify this guy as a scumbag right or wrong? Eh? Come on, it's ok, you can say it, everyone knows. :laugh:

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I bet Wright wishes he was allowed at least in the back of the bus rather than under it.

*rimshot*

He pushed Obama there first. Obama merely returned the favor.

the question is will wright volley? this has the potential to get worse

Wright will not volley. Wright did exactly what Obama wanted him to do. This whole thing was a well scripted act. Both actors have played their parts and are not looking for an encore.

RY62 is paid by Al Queda, and he's been mentally programmed not to remember that, so he'll deny it. He's a tool of the terrorists as part of an evil master plan to destroy America.

Evidence?

Just as much as he has, but there's even more evidence against his fantasies than there is against my post.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: sirjonk


Ok, so was Bill Maher right about Wright being a dick, eh? Was everyone who saw the short sermon video clips and able to identify this guy as a scumbag right or wrong? Eh? Come on, it's ok, you can say it, everyone knows. :laugh:

I stand by my comments

I would agree to listen to Rev Wright speak more, he does make sense on SOME issues but obviously NOT ALL of them. The US and AIDS being one theory that I just cannot stomach. Then again, as pointed out before, there is a HISTORY of the US experimenting on black people...take from that what you will. Oh and what ever happened to the quote of Wright saying something to the effect that Jesus taught him how to hate? I could NEVER find a source for that quote....and I always that that THAT particular quote is more incindiary than all others.

I believe that I am smart enough to wade through an occasional bullsh!t theory he may blurt out. Something Obama may have perfected after going to the services for 20 years. Something called...tolerance...maybe?? I'm just throwing that out there.

I don't think I could get used to all the yelling...but that is personal preference. 🙂

Rev Wright is a smart but flawed person, he isn't the first, he won't be the last.

if you choose to continue to base your judgement on the "short sermon video clips" then that is your problem.

OH and one other thing...be mindful of possibly taking those quotes you listed out of context...we wouldn't want that to happen right? 😛

For example: my comment was directed at Rev Wright speaking about the differences in how black children learn and how european children learn (by referencing a study conducted in the 70s.) That was something that I do find interesting. My comment was not directed at Rev Wright talking about how the US government was capable of anything which was in response to someone asking him if he thought AIDS was released to kill blacks.

context context a thousand times context!!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Comments made about Wright prior to the national press club speech:

Originally posted by: Craig234
In other words, it reflects well on Obama that he has a relationship with this impressive man

Wright is right. The only problem is the Democrats not pushing the truth as hard as they need to.

Fern and Palehorse get gold stars for clear eyed interpretations of Wright before and after his rise and fall.

I take full responsibility for my comments, and will respond to your post and the new info.

First, I haven't seen the new talks by Wright; I have some sense of them from all the commentary from Obama, the media, posts here, etc.

You are making the fallacy of implying that if Wright does something bad, it invalidates something else he did that is good.

Einstein seems to me to have treated his first wife pretty poorly, dumping her and marrying his cousin, yet I think he was a moral and thoughtful man politically.

My comments about Wright were based on seeing his earlier speeches. I also haven't seen his Bill Moyers interview yet, but by all reports, it was similarly thoughtful.

So, the man apparently then comes out and does bad. What do we do? Do we say that our opinion of his earlier speech has changed? No, we react to the new speech.

Obama has said that this is not the man he knew before, that he sees in the last two speeches. He says he condemns these remarks, and that they go do far that he has to realize he may not have known Wright as well as he thought he did. Based on what I've heard of the speeches, I don't agree with the controversial parts I heard, either.

So, I stand by my earlier comments - which I'd be happy to revise if I found evidence I made a mistake - and add to them negatives based on his recent behavior.

I'm disappointed to see that someone who seemed to have a lot of good to say has taken such a bad turn.

I also am not a big fan of Martin Luther King, Jr. apparently committing adultery; and I still have positive things to say about his Vietnam speeches.

So?

You get little credit for 20/20 hindsight, and less for being right for the wrong reasons (I see a lot of the earlier attacks on Wright as misguided), and none for still being wrong.

I think those who use the recent speeches to attack Wright's earlier, better comments as well are wrong.

Ok, so was Bill Maher right about Wright being a dick, eh? Was everyone who saw the short sermon video clips and able to identify this guy as a scumbag right or wrong? Eh? Come on, it's ok, you can say it, everyone knows. :laugh:

See above, that I think you're wrong to say he's simply "a scumbag", and not to notice both good and bad.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Comments made about Wright prior to the national press club speech:

Originally posted by: Craig234
In other words, it reflects well on Obama that he has a relationship with this impressive man

Originally posted by: ericlp
I can relate to Wright he is way more intelligent then Hagee could ever be....

Originally posted by: sandorski
This was a very good Interview. Not only does Wright address all the issues brought against him, but they show extended video clips where all these soundbites come from. It is quite clear that his words have been misrepresented.

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to agree that the somewhat thinking person will see Wright as a person whose comments were taken out of context and therefore the swift boat of Rev Wright will fail with that set.

Originally posted by: Craig234
Wright is right. The only problem is the Democrats not pushing the truth as hard as they need to.

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
What's sad is that it only took a five-second soundbite to brainwash you 😉

Originally posted by: Bird222
See this is the problem you see a couple of clips and extrapolate it to that is all he said every Sunday. :disgust:

Originally posted by: sandorski
Wow, you three are quite clueless on this subject. Wright is not "Racist" at all. Watch the interview.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Those Americans whose self hate has taken the form of substituting real self respect for identification with flag and country will see evil in R. Wright because they will feel their self hate projected back at them through him. This is how self hate makes people morons.

Originally posted by: OrByte
wow the more I hear Rev Wright speak the more I would like to hear more

and the WINNAR!:

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, right on the money. I would give Wright a cabinet position.

We should throw the separation of church and state out the window. If Wright can be a key issue in the primaries, I say let the guy start soliciting votes for Obama during sermons.

Fern and Palehorse get gold stars for clear eyed interpretations of Wright before and after his rise and fall.

Ok, so was Bill Maher right about Wright being a dick, eh? Was everyone who saw the short sermon video clips and able to identify this guy as a scumbag right or wrong? Eh? Come on, it's ok, you can say it, everyone knows. :laugh:

ROFL - well played, sir 🙂

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
In other words you're inncapable of using a little reasonoing and logic to divine reasons why people might leave their churches unless someone polls them and puts a link to the poll on the internet. Why does it seem so many of Obama's supporter suffer from that same affliction.

:laugh: Now you know why I like the :laugh: icon :laugh:

Reasoning and logic? Right. You made this accusation with zero proof. There are many reasons why someone would leave one church for another and the reason you *assume* she left is only one of them. And you expect Obama supporters to prove you wrong? Uh, don't think so.

:laugh: @ glutenberg's 'jump to conclusions mat' comment!

That's the whole point.

You can't prove me wrong anymore then I can prove you wrong. Only Oprah can say the real reason she left the church, but that doesn't mean I can't take an educated guess as to why she decided to leave the church.

It's really a moot point anyway since Obama has kicked Wright to the curb, too bad he didn't wise up sooner. Clearly a lapse in judgement on his part, which is what I've been saying all along.

Does "You're doing a good job Brownie" ring a bell??

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
This was non-issue from the get-go...the media needed a controversy to knock Obama from his pedestal, and Clinton needed a divisive issue to rally the blue collar white vote against Obama.

Congratulations to the Democrats for exploiting racism within their own ranks, and the media for ensuring the nomination process extends to the DNC.

Essentially, the Wright controversy is the only thing keeping Hillary in the competition at this point.

Best post of the thread. I'd say it summed up the situation quite succinctly. Thanks.

Troll

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: apoppin
actually i HATE Hitlery

she is the tool to defeat McLame, that is all

Your premise is false

and i speak with dozens of people a day in So-Cali in the course of my business and i "poll" them
-none of the white folks i have talked to will vote for Obama

they are now afraid of him

Hillary will lose to McSame, especially if the campaign continues along these small-minded issues, which will keep the young and swing voters at home.
Like 2000 and 2008, the election will go down party lines, with Hillary picking up the anti-Bush sentiment and some ClintonTM brand recognition, but McCain winning with the likability and right-wing/war hero votes.

And seriously, you're as out of touch as they come, so I'm just gonna take your last bit there as pure racebait FUD.

Take it however you want, personally i am color blind
but i am not stupid nor blind to the white racist attitudes that are barely under the surface

You always miss my point and you are clearly out of touch with basic reading and comprehension skills

Hillary and Obama should run together -it is my original proposal 5 weeks ago; IF she *promises* to adopt his "change" Vision

Obama is ahead of his time; in 4 or 8 years he will be President for another 8
-you Obama worshippers need to get a Vision to get him till 2020
- if you even had 20/20 in hindsight

i intend to vote for Obama - i prefer to vote for him when he has a real chance of winning - unlike now.

That's a weak excuse and you should know it. It will always be 4 to 8 years if you listen to the defeatists, so why listen to them at all?

And please... at least I actually have writing skills. Despite your claims of writing greatness, your posting style makes me wish for a proper ignore function, regardless of your content (and that too tends to be lacking, you need to "show your work" more, and expect us to bow to your greatness less).

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

Why don't YOU just tell the truth yourself and admit that the only thing you ever hear on the radio is Rush Limbaugh's biased rantings?

And while I think the hoax accusation is pure spin, you gotta love the way Obama played it, eh?
You can't accuse him of being a Muslim no more... no more BHO 🙁

:laugh:

Ah... the best pwnage is when the person being pwned doesn't even know it.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I bet Wright wishes he was allowed at least in the back of the bus rather than under it.

*rimshot*

He pushed Obama there first. Obama merely returned the favor.

the question is will wright volley? this has the potential to get worse

Wright will not volley. Wright did exactly what Obama wanted him to do. This whole thing was a well scripted act. Both actors have played their parts and are not looking for an encore.

RY62 is paid by Al Queda, and he's been mentally programmed not to remember that, so he'll deny it. He's a tool of the terrorists as part of an evil master plan to destroy America.

Evidence?

Just as much as he has, but there's even more evidence against his fantasies than there is against my post.

We'll just have to see which fantasy is more believable. I say Wright won't attack Obama. I'd guess that he'll ease up on the rants to see if the act has had the desired effect. After a while he'll probably come out and admit that his rants were divisive and say that Obama has shown him the light.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

Why don't YOU just tell the truth yourself and admit that the only thing you ever hear on the radio is Rush Limbaugh's biased rantings?

And while I think the hoax accusation is pure spin, you gotta love the way Obama played it, eh?
You can't accuse him of being a Muslim no more... no more BHO 🙁

:laugh:

Ah... the best pwnage is when the person being pwned doesn't even know it.

Actually, I listened to Rush for a while today and, while I was listening, he was talking about how Wright was pissed at Obama which caused him to rant and Obama to denounce. As far as I know, Rush hasn't figured out yet that it was all staged.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

Why don't YOU just tell the truth yourself and admit that the only thing you ever hear on the radio is Rush Limbaugh's biased rantings?

And while I think the hoax accusation is pure spin, you gotta love the way Obama played it, eh?
You can't accuse him of being a Muslim no more... no more BHO 🙁

:laugh:

Ah... the best pwnage is when the person being pwned doesn't even know it.

Actually, I listened to Rush for a while today and, while I was listening, he was talking about how Wright was pissed at Obama which caused him to rant and Obama to denounce. As far as I know, Rush hasn't figured out yet that it was all staged.

Well... one of those MSM talking heads, I'm sure.

The "all staged" is something I'm going to need some proof of. Otherwise, this accusation/spin only goes to prove the pwnage. And the whining crybabies who finally woke up and realized they were attacking a mainline Christian church, not a Muslim. Oops! Can't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

Why don't YOU just tell the truth yourself and admit that the only thing you ever hear on the radio is Rush Limbaugh's biased rantings?

And while I think the hoax accusation is pure spin, you gotta love the way Obama played it, eh?
You can't accuse him of being a Muslim no more... no more BHO 🙁

:laugh:

Ah... the best pwnage is when the person being pwned doesn't even know it.

Actually I listen to Laura Ingraham, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and Shawn Hannity mostly.

The hoax accusation is only spin to the brainwashed Obamazombies, to everyone else it is not only plausible it is highly likely.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

Why don't YOU just tell the truth yourself and admit that the only thing you ever hear on the radio is Rush Limbaugh's biased rantings?

And while I think the hoax accusation is pure spin, you gotta love the way Obama played it, eh?
You can't accuse him of being a Muslim no more... no more BHO 🙁

:laugh:

Ah... the best pwnage is when the person being pwned doesn't even know it.

Actually I listen to Laura Ingraham, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and Shawn Hannity mostly.

The hoax accusation is only spin to the brainwashed Obamazombies, to everyone else it is not only plausible it is highly likely.

*shakes head*

Before you throw out some other unfounded accusation, I'm completely open to any PROOF of this you can provide, regardless of source.

I'll be waiting...

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: loki8481
Obama's just doing what a politician does. he's finally disowning Wright with the hopes that it'll be a non-issue in October.

Nah I think he is doing what every dishonest politician does, which is called deception;

What I heard on the radio this morning was this was really a planned event that was staged between the Obama, his camp and Wright so Obama could distance himself further and try to burry this whole saga once and for all before he squares off with McCain if and when he gets nomination.

They said Obama and Wright have been way to close for way too long for Wright to ever deliberately try to sink Obama?s ship.

I think what I heard on the radio is right; the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate hoax to fool the voting public.

Why don't YOU just tell the truth yourself and admit that the only thing you ever hear on the radio is Rush Limbaugh's biased rantings?

And while I think the hoax accusation is pure spin, you gotta love the way Obama played it, eh?
You can't accuse him of being a Muslim no more... no more BHO 🙁

:laugh:

Ah... the best pwnage is when the person being pwned doesn't even know it.

Actually I listen to Laura Ingraham, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and Shawn Hannity mostly.

The hoax accusation is only spin to the brainwashed Obamazombies, to everyone else it is not only plausible it is highly likely.

*shakes head*

Before you throw out some other unfounded accusation, I'm completely open to any PROOF of this you can provide, regardless of source.

I'll be waiting...

Likewise you could prove me wrong but you can't do that either can you?

Not to worry though if what I think is true and it is a hoax someone will leak the evidence just as soon as they get their nose bent out of shape over something.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Socio

Actually I listen to Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest and Duh mostly[/b].

Fixed for ya. No need to thank me. 😎

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Vic
*shakes head*

Before you throw out some other unfounded accusation, I'm completely open to any PROOF of this you can provide, regardless of source.

I'll be waiting...

Likewise you could prove me wrong but you can't do that either can you?

Not to worry though if what I think is true and it is a hoax someone will leak the evidence just as soon as they get their nose bent out of shape over something.

Uhh... I don't have to prove you wrong. I can just sit back and laugh at you for all I want.
OTOH, you're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof automatically falls on you. Put up or shut up.

I should have known that it would only be a matter of time before the conspiracy nutjob "logic" came out.

 

[lopri]

I doubt that it's staged. If it was staged, it was extremely poorly executed.

If I'm not mistaken, Wright said in the conference "Arabic is a language, not a religion. Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama!"

And over the weekend, Obama sent out an official invitation to McCain in this whole saga by saying "it's a legitimate issue" (<- On FOX, no less. I think this really shows why 'experience' matters)

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Everyone one of us who have contributed to validating and catapulting this tripe whose only relevance is as a gimmick to inflict political damage on one of the candidates while distracting us from the multitude of truly relevant issues affecting us. That includes the establishment media, the right-wing smear machine & the left-wing smear machine and even those of us who have commented positively or negatively.

While we all have our hand in it, the establishment media should be given special merit for making sure this issue gets blown exponentially out of proportion. To get some sense of what has transpired since Reverend Wright appeared on Bill Moyer?s program Friday, I took a stroll through the headlines for the period:

Gas prices at a all time high

High food prices & shortages

Housing forclosure crises still looms

Joint Chiefs concerned over Iran?s influence in Iraq

Pentagon suspends media propaganda campaign

Baghdad embassy lacks secure housing, may be delayed again

Blackwater accused of shredding documents

Iranian elections make Ahmadinejad ?increasingly vulnerable?

DOJ giving interrogators room to breach international law.

Green Zone bombarded with heavy rocket fire

855 Iraq contracts found to be terminated prior to their completion

Baghdad security forces targeted by nearly double normal number of IED?s

Lawyers representing suspects in terrorism-related investigations believe government is listening in

Financial institutions have sharply raised rates for credit card customers and imposed higher fees

House Judiciary to investigate Rove?s alleged effort to get Fitzgerald fired

Supreme Court upholds Indiana voter identification laws

Supreme Court Justice Scalia claims torture not used as punishment is legal

Baghdad bracing for summer electricity crisis

April deadliest month for U.S. troops in Iraq since September

Afghanistan insurgency may be spreading north

John Conyers threatens to subpoena David Addington and John Yoo on interrogation policies; Cheney lawyer claims Congress lacks constitutional power to compel this

Veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan find greatly diminished benefits versus returnees in previous wars

Former chief prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay testifies he felt undue pressure to hurry cases along for political purposes

Subcontractor quits doing business with Blackwater due to being associated with Blackwater?s questionable business practices

Former KBR employees say workers stole from Iraq, ?melted down gold to make spurs



Can anyone argue that any single one of these issues is not ultimately more important to the welfare of our nation and its citizens than what Barack Obama?s pastor said?

It is naïve to expect such an issue to be ignored given the 24/7 establishment media coverage, but is it too much to ask that a little perspective be afforded when discussing these things, rather than buying completely into the media?s distorted obsession?

The irational brainwashed citizens have jumped in head first with the establishment media narrative. They made it clear they have studied Wright?s musings at great length, has passed final judgment on Wright?s personality and motivations, and has even offered a scenario courtesy of their imagination of how Obama came to join such a church.

If they are unable to battle these tired media narratives any better than this, then what chance do we have of have of ever stopping this perverted cycle from repeating itself endlessly to our detriment?

No, the biggest loser was not Barack Obama; it was, as always, an adequately-informed citizenry.

Flame away...

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Everyone one of us who have contributed to validating and catapulting this tripe whose only relevance is as a gimmick to inflict political damage on one of the candidates while distracting us from the multitude of truly relevant issues affecting us. That includes the establishment media, the right-wing smear machine & the left-wing smear machine and even those of us who have commented positively or negatively.

While we all have our hand in it, the establishment media should be given special merit for making sure this issue gets blown exponentially out of proportion. To get some sense of what has transpired since Reverend Wright appeared on Bill Moyer?s program Friday, I took a stroll through the headlines for the period:

Gas prices at a all time high

High food prices & shortages

Housing forclosure crises still looms

Joint Chiefs concerned over Iran?s influence in Iraq

Pentagon suspends media propaganda campaign

Baghdad embassy lacks secure housing, may be delayed again

Blackwater accused of shredding documents

Iranian elections make Ahmadinejad ?increasingly vulnerable?

DOJ giving interrogators room to breach international law.

Green Zone bombarded with heavy rocket fire

855 Iraq contracts found to be terminated prior to their completion

Baghdad security forces targeted by nearly double normal number of IED?s

Lawyers representing suspects in terrorism-related investigations believe government is listening in

Financial institutions have sharply raised rates for credit card customers and imposed higher fees

House Judiciary to investigate Rove?s alleged effort to get Fitzgerald fired

Supreme Court upholds Indiana voter identification laws

Supreme Court Justice Scalia claims torture not used as punishment is legal

Baghdad bracing for summer electricity crisis

April deadliest month for U.S. troops in Iraq since September

Afghanistan insurgency may be spreading north

John Conyers threatens to subpoena David Addington and John Yoo on interrogation policies; Cheney lawyer claims Congress lacks constitutional power to compel this

Veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan find greatly diminished benefits versus returnees in previous wars

Former chief prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay testifies he felt undue pressure to hurry cases along for political purposes

Subcontractor quits doing business with Blackwater due to being associated with Blackwater?s questionable business practices

Former KBR employees say workers stole from Iraq, ?melted down gold to make spurs



Can anyone argue that any single one of these issues is not ultimately more important to the welfare of our nation and its citizens than what Barack Obama?s pastor said?

It is naïve to expect such an issue to be ignored given the 24/7 establishment media coverage, but is it too much to ask that a little perspective be afforded when discussing these things, rather than buying completely into the media?s distorted obsession?

The irational brainwashed citizens have jumped in head first with the establishment media narrative. They made it clear they have studied Wright?s musings at great length, has passed final judgment on Wright?s personality and motivations, and has even offered a scenario courtesy of their imagination of how Obama came to join such a church.

If they are unable to battle these tired media narratives any better than this, then what chance do we have of have of ever stopping this perverted cycle from repeating itself endlessly to our detriment?

No, the biggest loser was not Barack Obama; it was, as always, an adequately-informed citizenry.

Flame away...

QFT. I don't think it's ever gonna stop. Most people pick a president like a class president i.e. if they like him/her that's it. 🙁

 

[1EZduzit]

It takes two to tango.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Can anyone argue that any single one of these issues is not ultimately more important to the welfare of our nation and its citizens than what Barack Obama?s pastor said?

It is naïve to expect such an issue to be ignored given the 24/7 establishment media coverage, but is it too much to ask that a little perspective be afforded when discussing these things, rather than buying completely into the media?s distorted obsession?

The irational brainwashed citizens have jumped in head first with the establishment media narrative. They made it clear they have studied Wright?s musings at great length, has passed final judgment on Wright?s personality and motivations, and has even offered a scenario courtesy of their imagination of how Obama came to join such a church.

If they are unable to battle these tired media narratives any better than this, then what chance do we have of have of ever stopping this perverted cycle from repeating itself endlessly to our detriment?

No, the biggest loser was not Barack Obama; it was, as always, an adequately-informed citizenry.

Flame away...

Obama has NO record to run on. He has not accomplished ONE thing as a Senator. His record for the state Senate was "present." He himself said that because he lacks a record people should vote for him based on his 'judgement.'

Where he goes to Church and the people he surrounds himself with a are a perfect example of ones judgement. Also, the way in which Obama has handled this whole mess is another example of judgement. Let's face the fact that Obama has changed his view and opinions on Wright several times since this all started a while back.

The best example of why this whole thing is problematic for Obama comes from the very start of his campaign.
NY Times March 2007 link

...back in January, Mr. Obama had asked Mr. Wright if he would begin the event by delivering a public invocation.

But Mr. Wright said Mr. Obama called him the night before the Feb. 10 announcement and rescinded the invitation to give the invocation.

?Fifteen minutes before Shabbos I get a call from Barack,? Mr. Wright said in an interview on Monday, recalling that he was at an interfaith conference at the time. ?One of his members had talked him into uninviting me,? Mr. Wright said, referring to Mr. Obama?s campaign advisers.

According to the pastor, Mr. Obama then told him, ?You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we?ve decided is that it?s best for you not to be out there in public.?

So Obama knew all the way back in March of 2007 that Wright had a tendency to get 'rough' and say things that might reflect on Obama in a negative way.

But when this story really broke a few weeks ago Obama said

I didn't know about all these statements," and "I know about one or two of these statements that have been made. One or two statements would not lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor..."

But that is EXACTLY what he did in March 2007!!!!

Obama wants to have it both ways and this has clearly shown that.
As Wright himself has said, Obama is nothing more than a typical politician saying whatever it takes to get elected.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed


No, the biggest loser was not Barack Obama; it was, as always, an adequately-informed citizenry.

Flame away...

Nice of you to put up a longer list showing the problem you did.

I'd say everyone here should ask themselves what they're doing as a consumer to help the situation:

Are they buying better quality, typically 'alternative' media products?

Are they refusing to consume/support/finance the bad products?

Are they sending feedback directly to the powerful media entities?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Wright is the perfect example of giving someone enough rope (air time) so that they can hang themselves. Unfortunately Wright is taking Obama with him in the end and it seems he doesn't care. A lot of American voters base their vote on the decision making capabilities of a candidate. Obama has shown that his decision making ability is extremely flawed for a person running for the presidency of the Untied States of America in this regard. I hope he has better judgment when picking a VP or cabinet members if he gets that far.

Let me see, his decision making lead him to choose his current campaign managers, his economic policy makers, and his many advisers (Wright being one of many) that have helped him go from Presidential hopeful to Presidential front-runner (on the number scale). Seems like he made some great judgment calls right there.

You can spin it all you want but in the end middle America and the core group of independent voters won't view this debacle as you are portraying it. This is an example of Obama making a bad political and personal life decision and it will resonate amongst undecided voters who aren't rabid Obama supporters.