Obama: Change is Hard

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: eskimospyAlso, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.

i think the last good real republican was TR. Nixon had his up and downs. Eisenhower was pretty non-ideological, so i don't count him.

TR was a progressive, both then and now. He might have been a good President, but he was hardly a "real" Republican in today's understanding (his assassinated boss, McKinley, would have fit that bill though). Nixon embodied everything that is wrong with the GOP today, this Orwellianesque disconnect of believing in a small govt that is at the same time both corrupt and all-powerful (for the sakes of national security and the public morality, of course). The same nonsense that led to Reagan's and Bush's spending sprees.

You know i respect you Vic, but in what way was TR a progressive? I'd say that if anything he was regressive.

They don't study American political history in the UK?

Sure we do, and i know what TR was like and what policies he enacted, such as isolationism until the last week when you were forced to go to war because war was declared on you, would you call that progressive? How about the economic policies before the inevitable that he couldn't possibly change afterwards?

I asked you for an explanation of what you meant, i didn't ask you for an insult.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
With that criteria, wouldn't Clinton be the last Republican president? He did the same thing, only he went further.

Oh no, I agree, Clinton would have made a great Republican President. In fact, it's a joke that Slick Willy was the best Republican President since Eisenhower. But really, he was just an old Dixiecrat, and old Dixiecrats just happen to think they're Republicans now.

Well i liked Clinton about as much as i liked Blair, the biggest difference was that Clinton was gone and Blair stayed in and started doing the opposite, he was a puppet of the US, nothing more, nothing less.

I don't know if that makes sense, if Blair had quit at the same time as Clinton i'd still like both of them i guess.

GW and Blair was the worst crusade constellation the free world could come up with though.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Sure we do, and i know what TR was like and what policies he enacted, such as isolationism until the last week when you were forced to go to war because war was declared on you, would you call that progressive? How about the economic policies before the inevitable that he couldn't possibly change afterwards?

I asked you for an explanation of what you meant, i didn't ask you for an insult.

Except for some minor border skirmishes with Mexico, the US didn't go to war with anyone until almost a decade after TR left office. TR's economic policies were major reform for the time, and he enacted the first environmental laws in the country.

And if you're thinking FDR, he wasn't the isolationist during the 1930's.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Sure we do, and i know what TR was like and what policies he enacted, such as isolationism until the last week when you were forced to go to war because war was declared on you, would you call that progressive? How about the economic policies before the inevitable that he couldn't possibly change afterwards?

I asked you for an explanation of what you meant, i didn't ask you for an insult.

Except for some minor border skirmishes with Mexico, the US didn't go to war with anyone until almost a decade after TR left office. TR's economic policies were major reform for the time, and he enacted the first environmental laws in the country.

And if you're thinking FDR, he wasn't the isolationist during the 1930's.

I have to go but i am bookmarking this thread to provide an answer.

SYL Vic.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: bamacre
"It's hard. It's hard work."

LOL. Exactly what I was thinking.