Obama: Change is Hard

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Duddy

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
My prediction:

"Its only been 3 months! You can't change everything in 3 months.. "

"Its only been 6 months! You can't change everything in 6 months.. "

"Its only been 12 months! You can't change everything in 12 months.. "

"Its only been 24 months! You can't change everything in 24 months.. "

"Its only been 36 months! You can't change everything in 36 months.. "

"We need 4 more years to truly get change going.. "

Blah blah blah. He and his party set these expections.

Ya, but you're just an ass.
Tell us something we don't already know.

A chart of the different types of human feces.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
My prediction:

"Its only been 3 months! You can't change everything in 3 months.. "

"Its only been 6 months! You can't change everything in 6 months.. "

"Its only been 12 months! You can't change everything in 12 months.. "

"Its only been 24 months! You can't change everything in 24 months.. "

"Its only been 36 months! You can't change everything in 36 months.. "

"We need 4 more years to truly get change going.. "

Blah blah blah. He and his party set these expections.

Ya, but you're just an ass.
Tell us something we don't already know.

That you secretly love me?
 

ericlp

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well, for me... he's done a lot more then bush has in the little time he has been in office. I can't wait to see what happens in the next year or so.

No one can keep every promise but to me it seems he is working on it. Unlike the person before him well, all bush did was talk a good talk and nothing else. No action came from him unless big money was involved to line his pockets.

People that can't give someone a few years to change are just cry babies. I'll agree with you after a few years... Hell you gave bush 8 years what change did he do?



I'm waiting...



 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: ericlp
well, for me... he's done a lot more then bush has in the little time he has been in office. I can't wait to see what happens in the next year or so.

No one can keep every promise but to me it seems he is working on it. Unlike the person before him well, all bush did was talk a good talk and nothing else. No action came from him unless big money was involved to line his pockets.

People that can't give someone a few years to change are just cry babies. I'll agree with you after a few years... Hell you gave bush 8 years what change did he do?



I'm waiting...

Be more specific. What exactly has Obama accomplished?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

I won't be satisfied if he keeps running up record spending. Since about 20 of the past 30 years have been run by Republicans - history does not seem to be on your side for 16 years of democratic rule. In 4 years there will be a new Republican candidate hopefully back to their roots.

I always find this funny. If you remove the two Democratic administrations bookending the 80's and 90's, it looks like Republicans have been running the show. Of course if you include the 4 years of Carter and the upcoming (at least) 4 years of Obama then the GOP and the Democrats have had the White House for nearly identical periods of time.

Also, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ericlp
well, for me... he's done a lot more then bush has in the little time he has been in office. I can't wait to see what happens in the next year or so.

No one can keep every promise but to me it seems he is working on it. Unlike the person before him well, all bush did was talk a good talk and nothing else. No action came from him unless big money was involved to line his pockets.

People that can't give someone a few years to change are just cry babies. I'll agree with you after a few years... Hell you gave bush 8 years what change did he do?



I'm waiting...

Be more specific. What exactly has Obama accomplished?

As President Obama reversed the Bush administration's limits on embryonic stem-cell research, he said scientific decisions must be "based on facts, not ideology."

Obama also signed a memorandum that directs the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy "to develop a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making."

* Signed the Stimulus Bill into law
* Signed the Omnibus bill into law
* Reversed a Bush executive order to allow for government funding of abortions throughout the world.
* Reversed an executive order that refused the presence of the press when our fallen soldier?s caskets arrive back into the country. The new order leaves the media coverage decision to the families of the fallen.
* He has also presented a Budget to Congress for their vote. The budget approval process will be an ongoing in congress and then the President will get in back for his approval.


Personal views, he talks alot about energy... Green energy. I'm all for it. So... hopefully he'll do something about it...

He talks up that he want's to stop the war on drugs. Can you imagine bush's take on that?

I'm all for that as well. Maybe we'll see some action in the coming months.


I know your just going to say that's nothing ... but I am a science type of guy and it's good news for me. It's a good start and I expect to see more to come.

 
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Originally posted by: XZeroII
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29818063/

It's funny how everyone got swept away by his campaign promises and now we all discover (along with Obama himself) that he is only one part of the government! He can't do everything that he promised! Who would have thought?

I think this is a good article that provides a good, short overview of the situation. I especially liked his phrase, "But change is hard". No kidding?!!! I nearly laughed out loud that he is only figuring this out now.

It's not his fault.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29818063/

It's funny how everyone got swept away by his campaign promises and now we all discover (along with Obama himself) that he is only one part of the government! He can't do everything that he promised! Who would have thought?

I think this is a good article that provides a good, short overview of the situation. I especially liked his phrase, "But change is hard". No kidding?!!! I nearly laughed out loud that he is only figuring this out now.

i don't think he just figured that out; i think its more to calm the nerves of people who think its isn't happening fast enough.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: waggy
only change he has done is set records amount of spending.

but yeah give him time.

i think he has done a littel more than that so far ;), but yeah stuff never changes very fast in a republic.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: eskimospyAlso, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.

i think the last good real republican was TR. Nixon had his up and downs. Eisenhower was pretty non-ideological, so i don't count him.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: ericlp
well, for me... he's done a lot more then bush has in the little time he has been in office. I can't wait to see what happens in the next year or so.

No one can keep every promise but to me it seems he is working on it. Unlike the person before him well, all bush did was talk a good talk and nothing else. No action came from him unless big money was involved to line his pockets.

People that can't give someone a few years to change are just cry babies. I'll agree with you after a few years... Hell you gave bush 8 years what change did he do?



I'm waiting...

Be more specific. What exactly has Obama accomplished?

Obama Marks First 50 Days: What He's Done So Far

Fulfilling the Promise of Change? Obama Rapidly Rescinding Bush Policies
 

piasabird

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It is hard to sell pictures of chairmen Mao.

It did not take long for Baer Stearns to change the way they did business to destroy the Mortgage Business. So I do not agree that it is difficult to change. What we need is realistic term limits to keep the Pigs in Washington, DC from feeding at the trough.

Oink, Oink, Oink!

Term Limits.

Term Limits.

Term Limits.
 

Carmen813

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As I see it, Obama is pursuing a sound strategy to accomplish what he wants to do. If you are familiar with his stance on policies, his budget should not surprise you. He has long advocated that the nation needs to spend a lot of money reinvesting in education, healthcare, and energy. He has said it will be expensive up front, but the long term dividends will reap large rewards. He isn't talking about the economic situation 10 years from now, but 30-40 years from now.

He is being very ambitious. His budget plan has a lot of "sticker" shock. It will cause people to debate the necessity of spending this amount of money. It will likely end up receiving cuts in Congress. However, there is a bit of psychology at work here to. If you present an item with a high price, and later come back with a smaller one, you improve your chance of selling the item, even if the new price is still "high". If Obama's initial budget is insanely large and it gets cut down, he wins that much more chance of getting approval in Congress.

His approval ratings remain very high, despite his bad "week" he had no net change in ratings (going up about 1.5% from last week). He seems to be doing a good job connecting with the American people. As I see it, his budget will get scaled back, but he is going to get a lot of what he wants. I agree with most of what he is trying to do.

For those using the 10 year CBO numbers as a reason for freaking out, try looking at the 10 year projections from 2000. You can find some of them here: http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=1059&type=0&sequence=6 I'm sure that will show that these projections are just that, they are estimates. They are HIGHLY subject to change.
 

James Bond

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He's been in office for like two months. He has said all along that change takes time.
 

Xellos2099

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We already spend too much money per student compare to the rest of the world, I am not talking abut teacher pay. IF he truly wish to reform education, disband the teacher union and close all public school and give out voucher for student for private school. Education will not improve as long as there is political agenda in it.

Healthcare: WE never needed free healthcare, it might be nice but it was never necessary and now he is pushing ti as if there i no UHC, people will just start dying on the street.

Energy, just build more nuclear energy plant.

Economy: Get rid of all the illegal immigrant and he will gain my respect and support.
 

Carmen813

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Originally posted by: Xellos2099
We already spend too much money per student compare to the rest of the world, I am not talking abut teacher pay. IF he truly wish to reform education, disband the teacher union and close all public school and give out voucher for student for private school. Education will not improve as long as there is political agenda in it.

Healthcare: WE never needed free healthcare, it might be nice but it was never necessary and now he is pushing ti as if there i no UHC, people will just start dying on the street.

Energy, just build more nuclear energy plant.

Economy: Get rid of all the illegal immigrant and he will gain my respect and support.

Not all public institutions are failures. I attended a public university and the education I received there was on par or better than the private institution I attended before transferring. Obviously throwing more money at education isn't the fix, but that doesn't mean you should disband public education all together. Unless private schools are willing to open up in inner cities, how do you propose we educate children living in those areas? I agree that teacher compensation needs reform (tenure in particular).

UHC is not free healthcare for anyone but the extremely poor or ill. Everyone else would pay something. Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant of his proposal.

Nuclear power would be a great investment, but that won't power our cars. We need to investigate alternative fuels if for no other reason than to overhaul our transportation system.
 

Xellos2099

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I am not talking about university, I am talking about K-12 education. Come on, there got to be a reason why a majority of the public school teacher were so against the voucher system, and it is definitely not for student but for themselves. I work in a tax accounting office and from what I can see, teacher in public school get higher salary and a hell lot more benefit than private school teacher.

UHC is a sound idea but it doesn't work as well as everyone hoped. In order to have UHC, we would need a lot more doctors than we have now and people would have a ration system for patient as there ain't enough doctors to go around. And the chance is that governemnt will deduct doctor's pay as there would be more doctors. Maybe we can made it the one who do not want to have UHC service to not to pay for the tax that would to go UHC and the one who require UHC will pay extra tax. This sound fair.

Sure, right now Nuclear won't power out car, but neither does solar or wind power yet for unknown reason government is only really pushing wind and solar. Alternative fuel, we tried Ethanol made with corn and it is a huge failure. Cost to made is high yet and it won;t ship in the trandtional gas pipeline so it has to go by truck or train. Which well, burn even more fuel.
 

Vic

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I don't get the OP's point. Obama said that change would be hard and take time in all his campaign speeches. So now you're faulting him for saying once again what he's said all along? :confused:

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: eskimospyAlso, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.

i think the last good real republican was TR. Nixon had his up and downs. Eisenhower was pretty non-ideological, so i don't count him.

Eisenhower was the last real Republican President. Balanced the budget, stuck to business (because the business of govt is business), and hung an idiot partisan like McCarthy out to dry. TR was a progressive, both then and now. He might have been a good President, but he was hardly a "real" Republican in today's understanding (his assassinated boss, McKinley, would have fit that bill though). Nixon embodied everything that is wrong with the GOP today, this Orwellianesque disconnect of believing in a small govt that is at the same time both corrupt and all-powerful (for the sakes of national security and the public morality, of course). The same nonsense that led to Reagan's and Bush's spending sprees.
 
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: eskimospyAlso, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.

i think the last good real republican was TR. Nixon had his up and downs. Eisenhower was pretty non-ideological, so i don't count him.

TR was a progressive, both then and now. He might have been a good President, but he was hardly a "real" Republican in today's understanding (his assassinated boss, McKinley, would have fit that bill though). Nixon embodied everything that is wrong with the GOP today, this Orwellianesque disconnect of believing in a small govt that is at the same time both corrupt and all-powerful (for the sakes of national security and the public morality, of course). The same nonsense that led to Reagan's and Bush's spending sprees.

You know i respect you Vic, but in what way was TR a progressive? I'd say that if anything he was regressive.
 
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: eskimospyAlso, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.

i think the last good real republican was TR. Nixon had his up and downs. Eisenhower was pretty non-ideological, so i don't count him.

Eisenhower was the last real Republican President. Balanced the budget, stuck to business (because the business of govt is business), and hung an idiot partisan like McCarthy out to dry. TR was a progressive, both then and now. He might have been a good President, but he was hardly a "real" Republican in today's understanding (his assassinated boss, McKinley, would have fit that bill though). Nixon embodied everything that is wrong with the GOP today, this Orwellianesque disconnect of believing in a small govt that is at the same time both corrupt and all-powerful (for the sakes of national security and the public morality, of course). The same nonsense that led to Reagan's and Bush's spending sprees.

With that criteria, wouldn't Clinton be the last Republican president? He did the same thing, only he went further.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: eskimospyAlso, I would LOVE to hear what you guys think the 'roots' of the Republican party are, and who the last president was that was 'back to them'.

i think the last good real republican was TR. Nixon had his up and downs. Eisenhower was pretty non-ideological, so i don't count him.

TR was a progressive, both then and now. He might have been a good President, but he was hardly a "real" Republican in today's understanding (his assassinated boss, McKinley, would have fit that bill though). Nixon embodied everything that is wrong with the GOP today, this Orwellianesque disconnect of believing in a small govt that is at the same time both corrupt and all-powerful (for the sakes of national security and the public morality, of course). The same nonsense that led to Reagan's and Bush's spending sprees.

You know i respect you Vic, but in what way was TR a progressive? I'd say that if anything he was regressive.

:confused: They don't study American political history in the UK?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
With that criteria, wouldn't Clinton be the last Republican president? He did the same thing, only he went further.

Oh no, I agree, Clinton would have made a great Republican President. In fact, it's a joke that Slick Willy was the best Republican President since Eisenhower. But really, he was just an old Dixiecrat, and old Dixiecrats just happen to think they're Republicans now.