NYT publishes anon op-ed from sr admin official: I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Admin

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Is that really the white power symbol? In all my life I've never heard of that and have only seen it associated with "A Okay!" or "Three!" from an NBA context.
I can't remember what it means in Brazil, but when I was there I was told to not do it by our interpreter.
 
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Is that really the white power symbol? In all my life I've never heard of that and have only seen it associated with "A Okay!" or "Three!" from an NBA context.

Apparently it is used in that way as well or at least has been quite recently discussed as having that meaning. Given the way the kids is flashing the eyebrows and hamming around I don't think this was just an "A-OK". Just a little shit being a little shit and I don't blame him as he's a kid. His parents on the other hand...

Honestly if I remember right the whole thing started as a hoax on 4chan but spread to now have that connotation given the wide spread discussions it generated last year.
 

fskimospy

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I think there could be a legal challenge on the basis that this story wasn't reported as fact by an NYT reporter in the byline...it was in the op-ed section. I'm no lawyer, nor do I pretend to be an expert on constitutional law or stare decisis from previous challenges to the press--but I think that even if NYT is not liable to a libel suit, "Person A" might still be liable and I'm curious if NYT could be compelled to reveal the author?

It’s hard to imagine any circumstances where the NYT could be compelled to reveal the author.
 

UNCjigga

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It’s hard to imagine any circumstances where the NYT could be compelled to reveal the author.

I remember reading this a while back...granted it's an opinion, but you'll understand my apprehension.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/opinion/dont-expect-the-first-amendment-to-protect-the-media.html

"It is primarily customs and traditions, not laws, that guarantee that members of the White House press corps have access to the workings of the executive branch. Consider the Department of Justice’s policy of forcing reporters to reveal confidential sources only as a last, rather than a first, resort. Journalists have no recognized constitutional nor even federal statutory right for such protection. It’s merely custom."
 

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I agree. The question I have; is trump doing this on purpose or is he just that unaware and that fucking dumb or is he doing someone else bidding.

I lean towards him being unaware and a fucking idiot, especially after hearing that papers were simply removed from his desk to keep him from dissolving the south Korean trade agreement and he forgot about them.
I don't think he is an idiot. Dangerously uninformed and unqualified for potus but he is probably the greatest con in our time. I also think he is being 'handled' and that the actual power has always run behind his back, throughout his career. H lied and played with daddy's money before bankrupting out until the apprentice gig came about. He's a classic showman who happened to get lined up with some very bad actors- slater, cohn, stone, etc. And I do believe there are more co-conspirators in congress.

As for the papers getting removed and him not realizing it, (and we're not talking an eric trump proposal or something, this was a treaty with one of closest allies), I find that incredibly disturbing that they would have the nerve to do that and that trump didn't know they were gone. Messed up.

As for what is to be done, peeps in the streets!! Its apparent that the gop and anywhere from 30-40% of the country somehow think he is an economic genius even though he had to be sidelined to get the tax scam through. I suppose it could be a case that when the donors/handlers get theirs they'll leave him to sink. But its also about protecting our honor as a country and (diminishing) respect abroad- how to admit such a travesty was foisted upon our democracy? And, btw terrubly sorry everybody! haha

Eventually I think it'll come to some large scale demonstrations, I don't see many great roads leading from trumputnistan.
 

Jhhnn

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Dangerously uninformed and unqualified for potus but he is probably the greatest con in our time.

Abso-fucking-lutely. I do not understand how so many people are vulnerable to his con, but they obviously are. The way he messes with their minds is uncanny, almost supernatural. Decades of right wing lies & agitprop set them up for Trump, make no mistake about that. The GOP built those headsets, one lie on top of another, until they lost control of it. They blithely created a leader cult in search of a leader.
 
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Now..Trump wants Jeff Sessions to investigate the New York Times over crimes committed by printing an anonymous op-ed.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/polit...investigation/

"I don't mind criticism, I handle it and I fight back," he said, calling The New York Times' publication of the piece "disgraceful." "But here's criticism where you can't fight back. 'Cause you have somebody doing it anonymously."

The First Amendment say's otherwise

It's clear that Trump doesn't even consider that fighting back might include refuting the content of the op-ed. His standard "fighting back" is limited to attacking the person who said it, and here he doesn't know who to attack...
 
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I'm hoping it's the White House cook.

Chef Rush???
That would be impossible

Yes the big guy really is one of Trumps cooks

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Ajay

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I’ve become convinced, after listening to Obama’s comments on the matter, that these persons involved in this rear guard action should resign and submit their observations to congress and to the press. They should resign en masse and end this charade. Not that Congress will do a damn thing, but at least they will have to face the music with publicly known facts. Let us, the American people, have the chance to weigh in to our reps with everything out in the open.
 
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Now..Trump wants Jeff Sessions to investigate the New York Times over crimes committed by printing an anonymous op-ed.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/polit...investigation/

"I don't mind criticism, I handle it and I fight back," he said, calling The New York Times' publication of the piece "disgraceful." "But here's criticism where you can't fight back. 'Cause you have somebody doing it anonymously."

The First Amendment say's otherwise

It's clear that Trump doesn't even consider that fighting back might include refuting the content of the op-ed. His standard "fighting back" is limited to attacking the person who said it, and here he doesn't know who to attack...
One thing I have in common with Trump is that neither of us blame the one person truly responsible for the criticism he faces, himself, him because he’s in denial, and me because I know he’s unable to be any other than he is. But even though he has no real moral agency, and especially because of it, he needs to be removed from office.
 

Moonbeam

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I’ve become convinced, after listening to Obama’s comments on the matter, that these persons involved in this rear guard action should resign and submit their observations to congress and to the press. They should resign en masse and end this charade. Not that Congress will do a damn thing, but at least they will have to face the music with publicly known facts. Let us, the American people, have the chance to weigh in to our reps with everything out in the open.
I still see it as wanting to have it both ways.
 

Moonbeam

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I must have missed one of your posts; which one?
You didn’t miss any post. You recommended going public and letting the chips fall where they may, but I don’t see that happening because the intent is to have it both ways, absolution with no Hail Marys.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I watched Trump's anomymioussis moment, and he did have a great idea for the NYT to get a great scoop. He said they should investigate who the source, the one they already know, is.
 

Ajay

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You didn’t miss any post. You recommended going public and letting the chips fall where they may, but I don’t see that happening because the intent is to have it both ways, absolution with no Hail Marys.
I don’t really see a logical motive here, unless the author is a Pence staffer.
 

Jhhnn

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I’ve become convinced, after listening to Obama’s comments on the matter, that these persons involved in this rear guard action should resign and submit their observations to congress and to the press. They should resign en masse and end this charade. Not that Congress will do a damn thing, but at least they will have to face the music with publicly known facts. Let us, the American people, have the chance to weigh in to our reps with everything out in the open.

That won't give the People an operational if crippled Executive branch. We need that. It's just that simple.

At this point, I'm confident that the entire cabinet & the entire staff knows Trump is unfit to be President. They are, in truth, the only people standing in the way of Trump seriously damaging this country. They're caught in a terrible bind. If they invoke the 25th amendment, that's only temporary, and the bar to make it permanent via Congress is a 2/3 majority in both houses, higher than the bar for outright impeachment which is 50%+1 in the HOR.

They also know there's no way their own party will deal with it before the election. So they send out a cry for help & do the best job they can, hoping for some kind of miracle. The only way they'll get one, paradoxically, is to lose the HOR.
 
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