NYT Attack on Trump Gets Outed as a Misrepresentation and Spin

[buckshot24]

Kind of funny that some people say real Christians could not support Trump. That's idiotic. I certainly don't like Trump and don't think of him as some wonderful example of morals and virtue. The bottom line is that we appear to have two terrible choices, so I will support the slightly less terrible one IMO. It doesn't mean I'm particularly fond of one, just that the other would be worse.

They'd like us to demand orthodoxy so liberals keep getting elected.

 

[emperus]

Common, she's the absolute perfect example of everything that's wrong with politics / politicians. Corrupt, a hypocrite, a pathological liar, beholden to those big corps with the money, a military hawk, anti-second amendment rights, for political correctness, pro illegal immigration, constantly pushing the BS "women get paid $0.76 per dollar" lies and on and on and on. Basically, I can't find any redeeming values in her.

At least with Trump he's not beholden to those paying for his campaign, and he's a slap in the face to the establishment, and he's definitely not pushing politically correct crap.

That's odd, because with Trump, that is the same list, but we have examples of what he will do. When given the chance, he always chooses the "immoral" path. Whether it be his various bankruptcies (that always harm the little guy), defrauding people in Trump University, defrauding contractors who do work for him, making his clothes offshore, dodging taxes, his deliberate lying (his wealth, the things he says and then changes the next day, even saying he hired an investigator during Birthgate), his brashness, his hostility, his irreverent mouth and the fact that he doesn't even care to pretend his not a SOB. Geez. I don't see any redeeming quality that would make him a good president. The guy won't even release his tax returns.

And how is Trump not going to be beholden to those paying for his campaign when he is going to be accepting 100 million dollars from Adelson. And we remember how beholden he was to the David Duke who didn't even give him any money.

 

[PokerGuy]

The libs are always the ones that claim they want to stay out of peoples business, until its something they all of a sudden care about.

Funny how all of a sudden they want to push their morals onto others when they're always complaining about "the right" pushing moral views onto others. Of course when it's something they believe it's justified.

 

[emperus]

You realize that was in response to him calling people 'meat machines', right? hahaha.

Buckshot has made it abundantly clear that he deserves to be disparaged and I'll continue to do that going forward. You'll notice that I rarely do anything like that to people who engage in a rational manner. If someday he's able to do that then I'll absolutely consider giving his views more respect.

He's conflicted. One day talking about he's part of the Christian Right the next talking about people being meat machines. I'm not sure he even sees the contradiction in those two things.

 

[hal2kilo]

That's odd, because with Trump, that is the same list, but we have examples of what he will do. When given the chance, he always chooses the "immoral" path. Whether it be his various bankruptcies (that always harm the little guy), defrauding people in Trump University, defrauding contractors who do work for him, making his clothes offshore, dodging taxes, his deliberate lying (his wealth, the things he says and then changes the next day, even saying he hired an investigator during Birthgate), his brashness, his hostility, his irreverent mouth and the fact that he doesn't even care to pretend his not a SOB. Geez. I don't see any redeeming quality that would make him a good president. The guy won't even release his tax returns.

And how is Trump not going to be beholden to those paying for his campaign when he is going to be accepting 100 million dollars from Adelson. And we remember how beholden he was to the David Duke who didn't even give him any money.

Don't you know? He's has a new way. First, working with his charming demeanor, he will tweet his way into office.
He's about as clueless about politics as it gets. I'm sure he's getting a real eye opening jolt, as to how difficult it is to really run a campaign.
And Oh yea, except for some of his wealthy casino buddies. Those big checks from the super pacs and the RNC come with big strings attached.
New way my ass.

 

[buckshot24]

You realize that was in response to him calling people 'meat machines', right? hahaha.

Is that an inaccurate description of what you believe people are?

Buckshot has made it abundantly clear that he deserves to be disparaged and I'll continue to do that going forward. You'll notice that I rarely do anything like that to people who engage in a rational manner. If someday he's able to do that then I'll absolutely consider giving his views more respect.

"Your honor, she was wearing a short skirt, she was asking for it."

 

[buckshot24]

He's conflicted. One day talking about he's part of the Christian Right the next talking about people being meat machines. I'm not sure he even sees the contradiction in those two things.

I don't think people are meat machines.() He does.

 

[buckshot24]

Don't you know? He's has a new way. First, working with his charming demeanor, he will tweet his way into office.
He's about as clueless about politics as it gets. I'm sure he's getting a real eye opening jolt, as to how difficult it is to really run a campaign.
And Oh yea, except for some of his wealthy casino buddies. Those big checks from the super pacs and the RNC come with big strings attached.
New way my ass.

He just won the nomination! He must be doing something right.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Funny how all of a sudden they want to push their morals onto others when they're always complaining about "the right" pushing moral views onto others. Of course when it's something they believe it's justified.

Their hypocrisy is epic...and they're completely blind to it. It's actually quite telling in regard to the level of intelligence we're dealing with here.

 

[fskimospy]

Of course he's stepping right up and taking whatever they give him. Wouldn't you? The difference is, he doesn't need them the way most politicians need them. They are not pulling his strings the way they do the typical politician who is completely dependent on their support for their employment.

So to be clear by your logic when Hillary takes a billion dollars in donations she's beholden to her donors and will act in their interests but when Donald Trump takes a billion dollars in donations those fools are just throwing their money away because he won't?

 

[Moonbeam]

Only on ATPN is asking someone to clearly articulate what they mean a 'straw man'. Do you even know what a straw man is?

If his point didn't elude you then feel free to express exactly what you think it was. I'm all ears!



The NYT is the most prestigious newspaper in the country and one of the most highly regarded publications in the world. You may consider it a 'left wing rag', but that says more about your need for ideologically conforming news content than it does about the NYT.

The NYT has run large numbers of pieces on Clinton since the election started, many of which were quite negative in tone. The idea that they are somehow suppressing negative stories about her would be laughably ridiculous to anyone who actually... you know... reads the paper. Hell, not that long ago they were being accused of anti-Clinton bias.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/p...s-hillary-clinton-coverage-public-editor.html

Let me guess though, that doesn't count.

Journalistic objectivity is liberal brain thinking. It is a field invented by the liberal brain and populated by liberal thinkers. The reason that journalists strive not to be biased is because bias is a brain disease the liberal brain is better equipped to defeat and the conservative brain is threatened by since the function of the conservative brain is to prevent pain and shame and guilt from being felt consciously. If they hadn't been able to shut that pain down they wouldn't have survived. To know the truth about themselves, to see without bias, would open up all the buried pain. It's hard to do.

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't necessarily disagree with you I just think we should have higher expectation from the POTUS.

Imagine the outrage if Obama had acted like Trump. How much would righties throw around thug when Trump really acts like one.

There is no higher expectation. The potus is human and I have absolutely no doubt that every single one has said or thought the same exact thing in private. They were groomed and manicured to be a perfect person on the outside, but you can't change humanity no matter how pro women white knight they seem.

You can see hillary isn't immune, since she loves to see men at her feet and whatever the other racist sexist things she has said.

This is what I cannot stand about our politicians. Everybody rips on trump for being a reality show star and being fake. Who the fuck is more fake? The guy that we hear in front of us, with see live mic 24/7 with a somewhat crafted narrative, or the teleprompter empty shit fools thst are two faced and forked tongue.

Look at the live mic bloopers of the last few years. I hate this fake shit. It is manufactured and hollow. Unfortunately, the expectations now are that we can't have "real people" as presidents, they all have to be manufactured and hollow, at least outwardly. This makes it impossible to distinguish motivations and truth.

Who is the real reality star? To me, it is bush, Obama, hillary. Why? Because it is a fake persona.

 

[soundforbjt]

Mark Cuban, another republican billionaire said Trump's campaign is like the Jerry Seinfeld show, a campaign about nothing.

 

[Subyman]

Of course we've made it to the point where Trump supporters are defending people that kill tigers and elephants for no reason other than entertainment.

 

[HomerJS]

He just won the nomination! He must be doing something right.

Think of his audience. He's handing out Twinkies at fat camp. No surprise at the result.

Same group where 45% are birthers.

 

[Bowfinger]

That isn't what your dad did. He made it about the poster. Something being accurate doesn't make it not cruel to laugh and mock somebody for it? ...

Your sudden concern for Michal might be touching if your motive wasn't so transparent. Again, tend to the beam in your own eye, hypocrite.

 

[Bowfinger]

Think of his audience. He's handing out Twinkies at fat camp. No surprise at the result.

Same group where 45% are birthers.

Yep. He pandered to the most base instincts of the GOP, and they fell for it. Remember the buyers' remorse they felt about GWB? They don't seem to ... yet, but they will one hundredfold if they actually succeed in electing The Donald.

 

[LegendKiller]

Mark Cuban, another republican billionaire said Trump's campaign is like the Jerry Seinfeld show, a campaign about nothing.

And why is that?

 

[brycejones]

I don't think people are meat machines.() He does.

Lol no one buys that

 

[PokerGuy]

I don't see any redeeming quality that would make him a good president.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I see many reasons not to like him, but he at least has some redeeming values. He's anti-political correctness. That's a good thing. He's also pro second amendment. That's a good thing. Anti illegal immigration. Good thing. He's also not completely dependent on financial backers. Sure, he'll take their money, but he doesn't need them the way other politicians depend on people paying for their campaigns.

The guy won't even release his tax returns.

Has she released the transcripts of all her wall street engagements yet?

 

[soundforbjt]

And why is that?

He was a anyone but Cruz guy, he knows Trump and said he had hopes that Trump would apply the same tactics to his run for the presidency as he did in business, he thought Trump would study hard on the issues and have real policies and solutions and he would explain what he would do to achieve them.
He said he is very disappointed in Trump's lack of understanding of the complex issues.

 

[PokerGuy]

Of course we've made it to the point where Trump supporters are defending people that kill tigers and elephants for no reason other than entertainment.

So just to be clear, you'd ban any hunting that isn't done strictly for consumption?

 

[soundforbjt]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I see many reasons not to like him, but he at least has some redeeming values. He's anti-political correctness. That's a good thing. He's also pro second amendment. That's a good thing. Anti illegal immigration. Good thing. He's also not completely dependent on financial backers. Sure, he'll take their money, but he doesn't need them the way other politicians depend on people paying for their campaigns.



Has she released the transcripts of all her wall street engagements yet?

Has Trump released his transcripts of the paid speeches he has made?

 

[LegendKiller]

He was a anyone but Cruz guy, he knows Trump and said he had hopes that Trump would apply the same tactics to his run for the presidency as he did in business, he thought Trump would study hard on the issues and have real policies and solutions and he would explain what he would do to achieve them.
He said he is very disappointed in Trump's lack of understanding of the complex issues.

I think he is applying his business knowledge. In negotiations you never let on that you know more than other people think you know. Further you always let people think it could be worse than it really is.

 

[Subyman]

Has she released the transcripts of all her wall street engagements yet?

She has released all her tax returns. Apples to apples.

So just to be clear, you'd ban any hunting that isn't done strictly for consumption?

Consumption or population control. Not the zinger of a question you thought it would be, eh?