NYT Attack on Trump Gets Outed as a Misrepresentation and Spin

[buckshot24]

Yeah, that is a tough criticism. By default she has to be an over zealot representative of her client. Not sure I would have taken the case, but also understand that even guilty people (or people accused of being guilty of heinous crimes) need representation (it keeps our system honest).

Why are you mad? That she took the case or that she took the case and tried to get the best outcome for her client?

That being said, how do you equate that quasi complex situation with Donald Trumps un-complex words? And further more how do you take issue with the NYtimes article when we have quotes of his like the ones in that ad?

I'd take a person who says rough things at times over a person who laughs about lying about a 12 year old girl seeking older men and then laugh about it when she gets him off with time served.

I'm not looking for perfection.

 

[emperus]

I'd take a person who says rough things at times over a person who laughs about lying about a 12 year old girl seeking older men and then laugh about it when she gets him off with time served.

I'm not looking for perfection.

But you never answered any of the questions I asked earlier. It seems your rage is very selective and manufactured and you don't really want to analyze the implications or find real solutions to the things you're mad at. I guess that is the quench that Trump offers, unbridled rage with no real or tangible solutions.

 

[buckshot24]

But you never answered any of the questions I asked earlier. It seems your rage is very selective and manufactured and you don't really want to analyze the implications or find real solutions to the things you're mad at. I guess that is the quench that Trump offers, unbridled rage with no real or tangible solutions.

Laughing about lying about a 12 year old rape victim to get the rapist off isn't selective outrage.

 

[emperus]

Laughing about lying about a 12 year old rape victim to get the rapist off isn't selective outrage.

I generally do my own research into things before characterizing them. Here is the audio of what you claim.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-tapes/

Facts:
You do know she was asked by the prosecutor to take the case. You also do know that her laughter was directed at the fact that his client passed a lie detector test, though she thought he was guilty and said it forever eroded her trust in lie detector tests. And you also do know that she got her client the reduced sentence because the prosecutors had no real evidence. The evidence they did have they destroyed (cut out a piece of his underwear and threw the rest away).

You should probably listen to the recordings...

Edit: You should be mad at the prosecutors office. They bungled the case. They were probably used to doing the same thing to underrepresented people and got caught when someone had competent representation.

 

[Bowfinger]

Laughing about lying about a 12 year old rape victim to get the rapist off isn't selective outrage.

No, it's fiction.

 

[Bowfinger]

I generally do my own research into things before characterizing them. Here is the audio of what you claim.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-tapes/

Facts:
You do know she was asked by the prosecutor to take the case. You also do know that her laughter was directed at the fact that his client passed a lie detector test, though she thought he was guilty and said it forever eroded her trust in lie detector tests. And you also do know that she got her client the reduced sentence because the prosecutors had no real evidence. The evidence they did have they destroyed (cut out a piece of his underwear and threw the rest away).

You should probably listen to the recordings...

Here's another good review: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...7/did-hillary-clinton-ask-be-relieved-rapist/

In short, ugly as it is, Clinton did what she was required to do.

 

[buckshot24]

I generally do my own research into things before characterizing them. Here is the audio of what you claim.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-tapes/

Facts:
You do know she was asked by the prosecutor to take the case. You also do know that her laughter was directed at the fact that his client passed a lie detector test, though she thought he was guilty and said it forever eroded her trust in lie detector tests. And you also do know that she got her client the reduced sentence because the prosecutors had no real evidence. The evidence they did have they destroyed (cut out a piece of his underwear and threw the rest away).

You should probably listen to the recordings...

I listened to it.

You're right though, she wasn't laughing about lying about her. That was wrong. She laughed while talking about getting a rapist off for something she knew he did.

 

[emperus]

I listened to it.

You're right though, she wasn't laughing about lying about her. That was wrong. She laughed while talking about getting a rapist off for something she knew he did.

Yeah, you clearly didn't listen to it. But I've spent enough time arguing this with you. All the information is in this thread to come to a reasoned assessment. It seems you chose not to though.

 

[emperus]

Here's another good review: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...7/did-hillary-clinton-ask-be-relieved-rapist/

In short, ugly as it is, Clinton did what she was required to do.

Yeah, it was a good review.

 

[buckshot24]

Yeah, you clearly didn't listen to it. But I've spent enough time arguing this with you. All the information is in this thread to come to a reasoned assessment. It seems you chose not to though.

Of course I listened to it. Take it easy.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I for one am looking forward to conservatives calling every piece of critical reporting from the NYT a 'hit piece' going forward.

THE BUBBLE MUST BE PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS.

You're such an idiot...and if anyone is living in a bubble, it's you. But hey, Trump did offer a women a swimsuit at a pool party and Rubio did get 4 traffic tickets in 17 years, and despite his financial difficulties, lives a life of irresponsible decadence leasing a $50k "luxury" SUV, and owning a house with an "in-ground pool, handsome brick driveway, meticulously manicured shrubs and oversize windows". Front page news! The NYT is becoming a tabloid joke and anyone who defends this kind of yellow journalism bullshit is a fucking moron.

 

[fskimospy]

You're such an idiot...and if anyone is living in a bubble, it's you. But hey, Trump did offer a women a swimsuit at a pool party and Rubio did get 4 traffic tickets in 17 years, and despite his financial difficulties, lives a life of irresponsible decadence leasing a $50k "luxury" SUV, and owning a house with an "in-ground pool, handsome brick driveway, meticulously manicured shrubs and oversize windows". Front page news! The NYT is becoming a tabloid joke and anyone who defends this kind of yellow journalism bullshit is a fucking moron.

I always appreciate media critiques from someone who treats Forbes op-eds as factual information, so thank you for your input!

lol.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Looks like we have another one of Trump's "victims" pissed off with the New York Times as well.

Ex-Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean Rips 'New York Times' Trump Article: 'They Twisted My Words'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-beauty-queen-carrie-prejean-143900821.html

 

[fskimospy]

Looks like we have another one of Trump's "victims" pissed off with the New York Times as well.

Ex-Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean Rips 'New York Times' Trump Article: 'They Twisted My Words'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-beauty-queen-carrie-prejean-143900821.html

There's nothing in that article that shows the NYT twisting her words in any way. Her complaint against the NYT is that the excerpt from her book that was used in the article should be viewed in the context of it being a beauty pageant. That's very true, which is why that was explicitly mentioned in the article.

Swing and a miss, DSF.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I always appreciate media critiques from someone who treats Forbes op-eds as factual information, so thank you for your input!

lol.

Your welcome. Anytime you need to be reminded of what a perverse egotist and intellectually depraved ideologue you are, let me know...and I'll be more than happy to remind you.

 

[emperus]

Looks like we have another one of Trump's "victims" pissed off with the New York Times as well.

Ex-Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean Rips 'New York Times' Trump Article: 'They Twisted My Words'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-beauty-queen-carrie-prejean-143900821.html

Maybe you can give us a sentence with your understanding of her issue with the Times.

Because I'm still confused what her beef is.

From the article:

It quotes from Prejean's 2009 book, Still Standing: The Untold Story of My Fight Against Gossip, Hate, and Political Attacks, when she described how Trump inspected the contestants at the 2009 Miss USA Pageant "closer than any general ever inspected a platoon... Many of the girls found the exercise humiliating."

How was the passage she wrote taken out of context? Does she even understand what the word "context" means? Or maybe she doesn't understand humiliating. Probably thought it was a nice thing.

 

[buckshot24]

Your welcome. Anytime you need to be reminded of what a perverse egotist and intellectually depraved ideologue you are, let me know...and I'll be more than happy to remind you.

ES craving negative attention again.

 

[Blackjack200]

Looks like we have another one of Trump's "victims" pissed off with the New York Times as well.

Ex-Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean Rips 'New York Times' Trump Article: 'They Twisted My Words'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-beauty-queen-carrie-prejean-143900821.html

"Oh my god they quoted my book... how could they?"

 

[fskimospy]

Your welcome. Anytime you need to be reminded of what a perverse egotist and intellectually depraved ideologue you are, let me know...and I'll be more than happy to remind you.

While you're at it, be sure to do the concern trolling thing where you tell me that you're worried about me and maybe sprinkle some of those 'I used to have respect for you but NOT ANYMORE' ones in there.

You have as talented an eye for personal criticism as you do for media criticism. We would all benefit from as many of your insights as possible so please do more of them!

 

[Jhhnn]

I'd take a person who says rough things at times over a person who laughs about lying about a 12 year old girl seeking older men and then laugh about it when she gets him off with time served.

I'm not looking for perfection.

An attorney's responsibility is to their client, even when working pro bono as a community service for a sleazeball. When the prosecution spoils their own case the defense attorney can either laugh or cry afterwards but they can't pretend it never happened. Maybe in Glenbeckistan or Texas where they don't even have to stay awake during a capital murder case.

 

[buckshot24]

An attorney's responsibility is to their client, even when working pro bono as a community service for a sleazeball. When the prosecution spoils their own case the defense attorney can either laugh or cry afterwards but they can't pretend it never happened. Maybe in Glenbeckistan or Texas where they don't even have to stay awake during a capital murder case.

I get all that and understand that everybody deserves competent representation when accused of a crime. I can still think the people trying to thwart justice for people they know are guilty are slime. I think of the OJ lawyers in much the same way. They knew he killed those people.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Maybe you can give us a sentence with your understanding of her issue with the Times.

Because I'm still confused what her beef is.

From the article:


How was the passage she wrote taken out of context? Does she even understand what the word "context" means? Or maybe she doesn't understand humiliating. Probably thought it was a nice thing.

She's obviously very pissed off at the way her story was depicted by the NYT reporter...but, beyond that, I'm not going to put words into her mouth nor question her vocabulary skills.

BTW, you started a thread on the recent discrimination ruling for Cleveland, MS schools...but made no subsequent comments. I was hoping to see your opinion(s) given the additional facts presented in your thread.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

While you're at it, be sure to do the concern trolling thing where you tell me that you're worried about me and maybe sprinkle some of those 'I used to have respect for you but NOT ANYMORE' ones in there.

You have as talented an eye for personal criticism as you do for media criticism. We would all benefit from as many of your insights as possible so please do more of them!

I still don't have any respect for you...and I don't enjoy saying it.

 

[emperus]

She's obviously very pissed off at the way her story was depicted by the NYT reporter...but, beyond that, I'm not going to put words into her mouth nor question her vocabulary skills.

BTW, you started a thread on the recent discrimination ruling for Cleveland, MS schools...but made no subsequent comments. I was hoping to see your opinion(s) given the additional facts presented in your thread.

I understand she is pissed off, I just don't understand why.

I forgot about that thread. Will check it out now. I didn't know enough about the situation to make any real comments.

 

[fskimospy]

I still don't have any respect for you...and I don't enjoy saying it.

Darn, and here I thought we were friends. What can I do to get back into your good graces? Maybe write a Forbes op-ed about how great a guy I am?