NYPD and possible work stoppage

[TreVader]

The city of New York is in a constant "hiring drive" for police officers. I know it must seem incredible to you, given their exorbitant pay and "leeway in everything," but almost half of NYPD officers spend 5 years or less with the department. They get poached by other departments\agencies who (gasp) pay more and are less dangerous. So even given their relatively lax recruiting standards, it's a constant struggle to keep enough cops on the street.

Every company on earth is in a constant "hiring drive" by your standards. That's what companies do, they lose people and hire more. The reason so many cops spend so little time on the force is they collect their massive bullshit pension and leave.

 

[Atreus21]

http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/31/the-nypds-revolt-is-a-direct-threat-to-democracy/

So where is the outrage from the right on this? The NYPD is basically doing a work stoppage because they are pissed that people hate them with all the examples of police brutality that they have done.

Well, the federalist is pretty conservative, and they call this a direct threat to democracy. So there's some outrage.

Public sector unions are a bitch.

 

[Naeeldar]

What makes you agree with their protest? Not nebulous things like "leadership", but what specific actions has the mayor taken that you think deserve this sort of response?

I personally think this protest has deeply shamed the NYPD. Their inability to take even the mildest criticism is pretty concerning considering their role. I agree that cleaning house takes time, but de Blasio should start now. The department is sick.

You do realize police departments everywhere, are constantly criticized right?

As to why I support it - quite frankly I agree with the NYPD. He has not backed the police at all or in some cases criticized them like his comments to his kids or supporting some of the protests.

What it comes down to though is you have to understand I have no problem with the cop not being brought before a jury for the choke hold. He didn't break any crime so it makes sense. I do think he should be brought before internal review as he violated NYPD policy but I suspect that will happen anyway. Given that he didn't break any laws - I frankly think the Mayor's support of the protests was crap.

Anyway, it's just an opinion at that. But the friction between NYPD and the Mayor was predicated before all this - so none of it is a real surprise.

 

[Subyman]

Nebor, I'm trying to wrap my head around it too. de Blasio stopped the terrible "stop and frisk" policy, which, IMO, didn't reflect on the individual police officers but only that one dumb policy. The police didn't like him making that part of his platform for election. After a protest turned violent, some officers were attacked. He said they were "allegedly attacked", which is true. He isn't buddy-buddy with the police department, but I haven't seen anything that makes de Blasio look as if he is trying to throw the NYPD under the bus.

However, the NYPD look like a bunch of children when the leader of the police union outright says "there is blood on many hands starting at the mayor's office." That is a very bold claim. On top of that they turn their backs on the mayor at a funeral. To top it off they make a website so police officers can opt-out of the mayor coming to their future funeral. So far, I'm leaning more toward the mayor than what the NYPD has been doing.

 

[bshole]

I for one hope the NYPD unions and de Blasio settle their differences soon so that the police can go back to arresting people for reasons other than 'when they have to'.

 

[fskimospy]

You do realize police departments everywhere, are constantly criticized right?

As to why I support it - quite frankly I agree with the NYPD. He has not backed the police at all or in some cases criticized them like his comments to his kids or supporting some of the protests.

What it comes down to though is you have to understand I have no problem with the cop not being brought before a jury for the choke hold. He didn't break any crime so it makes sense. I do think he should be brought before internal review as he violated NYPD policy but I suspect that will happen anyway. Given that he didn't break any laws - I frankly think the Mayor's support of the protests was crap.

Anyway, it's just an opinion at that. But the friction between NYPD and the Mayor was predicated before all this - so none of it is a real surprise.

Seriously, can you supply the offending quote or quotes?

A lot of people have not read what de Blasio actually said. If you do you will see that it is

1. Undeniably true.
2. Extremely mild.

So please, provide specifics.

 

[Nebor]

Every company on earth is in a constant "hiring drive" by your standards. That's what companies do, they lose people and hire more. The reason so many cops spend so little time on the force is they collect their massive bullshit pension and leave.

Can you point me to a single company with a similar median wage as the NYPD with similar 5 year turnover rates? Cops aren't drawing pensions after 5 years. They're going to work elsewhere for better money and cushier jobs.

 

[Nebor]

I'm struggling to think of a comparable scenario, wherein virtually all employees of a major organization refuse to do their job because they don't like the boss. And for the boss to react the way that Mayor de Blasio is is equally confounding. If I were him, I'd have a new police commissioner at a minimum. I wonder what the NYPD's endgame here is? They're not going to get rid of the mayor. What do they have to gain?

 

[fskimospy]

For the record, this is what de Blasio said:

Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the danger that he may face … how to take special care in any encounters he has with the police officers who are there to protect him. … We are dealing with centuries of racism that have brought us to this day. That is how profound the crisis is.

Does anyone actually want to argue what he said was wrong? Or that this frothing response is merited by it?

 

[Atreus21]

For the record, this is what de Blasio said:



Does anyone actually want to argue what he said was wrong? Or that this frothing response is merited by it?

Considering what cops have to risk every day, and how the lives they save are ignored while the lives they take (rightly or wrongly) are magnified, and how NYC murders have fallen, I can understand some bitter resentment. It was wrong because of how much it leaves out. Not to mention that it implies that most cops are, when it comes down to it, racists.

However, that doesn't merit their response. Cops should hold their duty above this grievance with administration. I think cops should resign if they really feel this way, not do this.

 

[bshole]

Eski,

You live in New York right on the front lines. How has the slowdown impacted you? Can you even tell the slowdown is happening? C'mon brother, dish for us.

 

[Subyman]

For the record, this is what de Blasio said:



Does anyone actually want to argue what he said was wrong? Or that this frothing response is merited by it?

Statistically his statements are true. But to the random cop that reads that, it is a personal insult. I can see why some would be hurt by the statements, but their reaction is unwarranted.

 

[glenn1]

For the record, this is what de Blasio said:

Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the danger that he may face … how to take special care in any encounters he has with the police officers who are there to protect him. … We are dealing with centuries of racism that have brought us to this day. That is how profound the crisis is.

Does anyone actually want to argue what he said was wrong? Or that this frothing response is merited by it?

I presume Dante is his child. And what he said is completely wrong and I completely disagree that he needs to take any more "special care" in his encounters with police than anyone else. If freaking Chris Rock can figure out how to not get his ass beat by police, the son of the mayor certainly can.

I could just as easily say "police have to take special care in any encounters with the Mayor's family since they will be dealing with a politician who has throw in his lot with decades of race baiting and using race to excuse away bad behavior."

 

[Genx87]

Poor babies. I'm sure New Yorkers will miss getting tickets and being arrested\harassed by the NYPD.

 

[blankslate]

If that includes a stoppage on harassment of people over loose cigarettes and stop and frisk that that can't be all bad.


Note to officers stop defending shitty members on your force and most people will stop looking at polices with a wary cautious eye.


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[Paul98]

I can't believe the reaction to those comments, if they can't react reasonably to that simple and perfectly valid statement. It should be clear that they can't be trusted to act reasonably in their making decisions in their job when interacting with the community.

The funny thing is that stopping doing these stupid things like random stupid traffic stops is a good thing and they are only hurting themselves.

 

[TreVader]

You guys don't get it, this isn't going to last. The city is losing money and that is all the cops really care about. The moment this "protest" (and I hesitate to call it that considering the police aren't actually making demands, nor striking, they just aren't doing police work) threatens their cushy salaries and benefits they will strap on their jackboots and wreck shop on all you civilians.

It's great that the NYPD are such monumental pussies but I don't think this will last. DeBlasio and the NYPD both look like fools.

 

[fskimospy]

I presume Dante is his child. And what he said is completely wrong and I completely disagree that he needs to take any more "special care" in his encounters with police than anyone else. If freaking Chris Rock can figure out how to not get his ass beat by police, the son of the mayor certainly can.

I could just as easily say "police have to take special care in any encounters with the Mayor's family since they will be dealing with a politician who has throw in his lot with decades of race baiting and using race to excuse away bad behavior."

You realize that Chris Rock has explicitly said that he agrees with those statements and that he thinks his kids need to do the same, right?

Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/ozchrisrock/status/548918271471517696

 

[fskimospy]

Considering what cops have to risk every day, and how the lives they save are ignored while the lives they take (rightly or wrongly) are magnified, and how NYC murders have fallen, I can understand some bitter resentment. It was wrong because of how much it leaves out. Not to mention that it implies that most cops are, when it comes down to it, racists.

However, that doesn't merit their response. Cops should hold their duty above this grievance with administration. I think cops should resign if they really feel this way, not do this.

Again, are you arguing that what he said was untrue? That his son as a young black male doesn't need to be any more careful in his interactions with the police than anyone else? I really can't see how any reasonable person would believe that.

So if you do agree that what he said was true then the argument becomes whether or not the mayor should say unfortunate truths about the police department. I for one think that avoiding saying these things for so long is what has let the problem get this bad.

 

[glenn1]

You realize that Chris Rock has explicitly said that he agrees with those statements and that he thinks his kids need to do the same, right?

Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/ozchrisrock/status/548918271471517696

If anything the police need to be told that they need to be careful with the son of the fucking mayor since it's obvious that Dante isn't expected to be held to the same civic standard as anyone else. Way to go Dad, don't tell your kid that he needs to behave himself, but rather the cops who are just racist fucks waiting to beat the shit out of him given any opportunity.

No fucking wonder that kids of politicians all go up thinking the rules don't apply to them.

 

[glenn1]

Again, are you arguing that what he said was untrue? That his son as a young black male doesn't need to be any more careful in his interactions with the police than anyone else? I really can't see how any reasonable person would believe that.

So if you do agree that what he said was true then the argument becomes whether or not the mayor should say unfortunate truths about the police department. I for one think that avoiding saying these things for so long is what has let the problem get this bad.

Even if the "unfortunate truths" about the police department need to be said, even more so the black male community needs to be told first and in no uncertain terms that obeying the law is not negotiable no matter how many cop beatings happen.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You guys don't get it, this isn't going to last. The city is losing money and that is all the cops really care about. The moment this "protest" (and I hesitate to call it that considering the police aren't actually making demands, nor striking, they just aren't doing police work) threatens their cushy salaries and benefits they will strap on their jackboots and wreck shop on all you civilians.

It's great that the NYPD are such monumental pussies but I don't think this will last. DeBlasio and the NYPD both look like fools.

It won't last and things will go back to as they were. The animosity will remain but you get tickets and pot users locked up as usual, which is exactly what you are complaining about not being done. Think of all the pot dealers and users, which are overrepresented in the black community being arrested for victimless crimes. Then the police will be doing just what they aren't doing now, and of course that will be jackboots in action. Win/Win in some bizarre sense.

 

[HTFOff]

For the record, this is what de Blasio said:



Does anyone actually want to argue what he said was wrong? Or that this frothing response is merited by it?

You, as someone who lives in the city and pays attention to current events should know more than most - that isn't the only thing that pissed off the nypd. The rift goes back to the campaign de blasio ran, at least.

 

[fskimospy]

If anything the police need to be told that they need to be careful with the son of the fucking mayor since it's obvious that Dante isn't expected to be held to the same civic standard as anyone else. Way to go Dad, don't tell your kid that he needs to behave himself, but rather the cops who are just racist fucks waiting to beat the shit out of him given any opportunity.

No fucking wonder that kids of politicians all go up thinking the rules don't apply to them.

Haha, say something dumb, get called out on it, then fly into a rage.

Even the person you trotted out as an example of why de Blasio is wrong thinks de Blasio is right.

 

[Moonbeam]

If anything the police need to be told that they need to be careful with the son of the fucking mayor since it's obvious that Dante isn't expected to be held to the same civic standard as anyone else. Way to go Dad, don't tell your kid that he needs to behave himself, but rather the cops who are just racist fucks waiting to beat the shit out of him given any opportunity.

No fucking wonder that kids of politicians all go up thinking the rules don't apply to them.

What class of parent can I blame for you being nuts? Jesus Christ on a crutch.