NYPD and possible work stoppage

[Newell Steamer]

IOW police should be the grown-ups in the room and ignore the stupid laws passed politicians (and in turn the voters who elect them) that people don't want to be subject to but also don't want to repeal.

I guess "minor offenses" has become the new taxes, something you want everyone else forced to follow to the letter but you personally get a break on.

#1, what are you talking about?
#2, to whom are you talking to, about #1?

 

[Newell Steamer]

,... BLLLAAAAARRRRGGHH!!!

We get it, no one (and you mean NO ONE) pushes you around - not even the popo.

You have issues with authority, because you are impotent and weak. I bet cops never even glance at you, but, you just go on and rage about how the cops should be fired, for any reason.

 

[TreVader]

We get it, no one (and you mean NO ONE) pushes you around - not even the popo.

You have issues with authority, because you are impotent and weak. I bet cops never even glance at you, but, you just go on and rage about how the cops should be fired, for any reason.

Shot and a miss. I have, as I'm sure MOST people do, a reason to dislike the police (not hate them) but it is not the one you quoted there. You are welcome to try again.



So you won't even quote my post then, because you don't actually want a discussion. You just want to sling insults back and forth. You know very well I can play that game, but I'm not in this thread to dick around. Grow up.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Shot and a miss. I have, as I'm sure MOST people do, a reason to dislike the police (not hate them) but it is not the one you quoted there. You are welcome to try again.

So you won't even quote my post then, because you don't actually want a discussion. You just want to sling insults back and forth. You know very well I can play that game, but I'm not in this thread to dick around. Grow up.

You should be more conscious of your own posts;

I get it, you are butt buddies with a cop, that's cool but that doesn't mean I have to bend over too.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Good!

There are too many stupid crimes today. Too many laws that literally do nothing to protect citizens. Finally the pigs are starting to realize that their jobs are to help and serve the people, not have fun harming them. I hope this trend spreads to every other state. The only things that should be illegal are things that cause harm to others, whats the point of having laws against anything else?

So who was it that told the NYPD to go after sellers of loose cigarettes? Do you think it was the police chief or anyone at all involved in the police department in general? How about the lawmakers starting at the state level on down to the city level. Where is the rage against them for making the police go after these scary criminals? I still think the jackass cop that jumped on the back of Garner and choked him to death was wrong and there should have been a trial. But they shouldn't even have been bothering people like him except for the fact of a task force making them do so.

So take all your cop rage and aim it at the politicians.

 

[TreVader]

You should be more conscious of your own posts;

You insulted me first. What do you expect? At least my post wasn't 60% bullshit and 40% insults. You are in bed with the cops, it's totally obvious!


Edit: here is the post you were afraid of, that you won't quote in full because it's totally true! Notice how my insult is only a sentence, yours is basically your whole post.

I think your pro-cop bias is showing, not my so called "cop hate", great straw man tho.



Your anecdotal account of how many cops you "saw" aside, what other evidence is there that they are patrolling? All the news stories and statistics I've seen show that they are doing 6% of the job they used to do. What evidence do you have that there are more cops out than before? That sounds like made up bullshit.


You are totally wrong by the way about "crime running rampant". The NYPD are less to blame for the drop in crime in NY than the general economy and state of crime in the US. Crime is down all around. If the NYPD stopped working nobody would notice besides what they are noticing now: a huge drop in arrests. Cops don't magically prevent crime just by showing up, and since the cops aren't advertising that they aren't doing any work, criminals would have no idea (until the news pics it up). So no, you are wrong there.

The end of your post is just drivel. What does that even mean? I get it, you are butt buddies with a cop, that's cool but that doesn't mean I have to bend over too.

 

[Newell Steamer]

You insulted me first. What do you expect? At least my post wasn't 60% bullshit and 40% insults. You are in bed with the cops, it's totally obvious!

Nope.

This is my original post: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37048312&postcount=45

Which you took and went all rage over it and started slinging insults.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the people of NYC don't want cops arresting people for things like weed, maybe they ought to vote for different politicians who would repeal these laws. Complaining that the cops are not selectively enforcing some laws and ignoring others to the exact degree you prefer is stupid.

It may be a stupid argument but there are always consequences to absolutes. What politicians would repeal these laws? There aren't any, or perhaps it's more precisely stated as there aren't enough. Further, one believes that all laws should be enforced I can guarantee you are in violation of something. The number of laws and regulations which have no sunset provisions are incredible and they are breaking some rule. Maybe they have a horse too close to a church or something.

On the other hand we have massive disregard for MJ laws in CO which are not unconstitutional in any of the three branches opinions so Obama is effectively sanctioning violations of law on a massive scale. Make no mistake, I don't like current MJ laws but the FDA and the DEA answer to him and there is absolutely and unconditionally no need for Congressional involvement in rescheduling drugs, legal or otherwise. None whatsoever. If he did there is no question of violation of Constitutional authorities as the CSA explicitly allows for this. Legal changes which are proper and pass Constitutional muster. But that's not important if one just likes Obama doing "what the thinks is right", the same philosophy which led to CIA and NSA abuse by the former administration, while crying about parking tickets and making ridiculous claims about public safety.

In the end the "liberals" and "conservatives" as they call themselves aren't much different. It is just what topics they choose to be irrational about.

 

[TreVader]

Nope.

This is my original post: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37048312&postcount=45

Which you took and went all rage over it and started slinging insults.

OH! I'M SORRY! I got it totally wrong!

This is not a work stoppage for the NYPD.

If the NYPD stopped working, they would not have been working 24 hour shifts for New Years Eve. There would be zero arrests. And, real crime would be running rampant. For the past few days (even on January 3rd), I've seen more cops out on patrol than ever before.

For those who are screaming bloody murder over the public's safety; your mouth frothing cop hate is showing - wipe yourself.

Also, now some of you WANT traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses? These boards are pretty clear on how they avoid speeding tickets (radar, etc.) and how they lose their shit when a cop issues a summons (teh polease need ta fiaght teh REAL crime!! Wha, wha ah do?!), get your act together.

Your post is clearly 50% bullshit and 50% insults, not 60/40. My bad!

 

[Newell Steamer]

OH! I'M SORRY! I got it totally wrong!

Your post is clearly 50% bullshit and 50% insults, not 60/40. My bad!

There aren't any personal attacks or insults in that post - like there are in your posts.

Again:
1) be conscious of your own posts
2) follow your own advice (i.e. growing up)

 

[Jhhnn]

This must be hard for liberals. Unions are the greatest thing since sliced bread and peanut butter until they do something they don't like.

Heh. So what does the Union want, anyway? Are they currently negotiating a contract or dealing with a disciplinary matter? What's their list of demands?

Ask the union rep/bosses.

So this isn't what Unions normally do, is it?

Maybe the fact that the NYPD is union is immaterial to the issues at hand, huh?

 

[Smoblikat]

So who was it that told the NYPD to go after sellers of loose cigarettes? Do you think it was the police chief or anyone at all involved in the police department in general? How about the lawmakers starting at the state level on down to the city level. Where is the rage against them for making the police go after these scary criminals? I still think the jackass cop that jumped on the back of Garner and choked him to death was wrong and there should have been a trial. But they shouldn't even have been bothering people like him except for the fact of a task force making them do so.

So take all your cop rage and aim it at the politicians.

Who elected the politicians? Who allowed them to impliment all the BS laws? Who pays for the police force?

Take all your smoblikat rage and aim it towards the taxpayers.

Hey, if we keep going, we might be able to blame the sun for all of our problems!

 

[TreVader]

There aren't any personal attacks or insults in that post - like there are in your posts.

Again:
1) be conscious of your own posts
2) follow your own advice (i.e. growing up)

I never said a personal attack. I said insults, but nice goal post move. "Wipe yourselves"?


Why don't you go fuck yourselves?

You are a total hypocrite and I will be here to point it out every time. Im curious what the rational is for your insults, it that you hate black people or love deputy Andy dick?

 

[JockoJohnson]

Who elected the politicians? Who allowed them to impliment all the BS laws? Who pays for the police force?

Take all your smoblikat rage and aim it towards the taxpayers.

Hey, if we keep going, we might be able to blame the sun for all of our problems!

Exactly. NY has no one to blame but themselves.

 

[glenn1]

It may be a stupid argument but there are always consequences to absolutes. What politicians would repeal these laws? There aren't any, or perhaps it's more precisely stated as there aren't enough. Further, one believes that all laws should be enforced I can guarantee you are in violation of something. The number of laws and regulations which have no sunset provisions are incredible and they are breaking some rule. Maybe they have a horse too close to a church or something.

On the other hand we have massive disregard for MJ laws in CO which are not unconstitutional in any of the three branches opinions so Obama is effectively sanctioning violations of law on a massive scale. Make no mistake, I don't like current MJ laws but the FDA and the DEA answer to him and there is absolutely and unconditionally no need for Congressional involvement in rescheduling drugs, legal or otherwise. None whatsoever. If he did there is no question of violation of Constitutional authorities as the CSA explicitly allows for this. Legal changes which are proper and pass Constitutional muster. But that's not important if one just likes Obama doing "what the thinks is right", the same philosophy which led to CIA and NSA abuse by the former administration, while crying about parking tickets and making ridiculous claims about public safety.

In the end the "liberals" and "conservatives" as they call themselves aren't much different. It is just what topics they choose to be irrational about.

New Yorkers seem to enjoy passing moralistic laws about things like smoking, large sodas, trans fats, electric bicycles, styrofoam cups, horse drawn carriages, even pet rabbits. Then somehow act all surprised when cops actually enforce the "minor violation" laws they're passing with ever-increasing frequency.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Just to be clear, I am not quoting your personal attacks and insults, because that is against the rules as well.

You should calm down - no need to get pissed off at others for your own problems in life.

 

[TreVader]

Just to be clear, I am not quoting your personal attacks and insults, because that is against the rules as well.



You should calm down - no need to get pissed off at others for your own problems in life.

Oh they aren't personal attacks, check again.

You clearly are a cop or related to one. What will you do when we fire every last one of them?

 

[cubby1223]

New Yorkers seem to enjoy passing moralistic laws about things like smoking, large sodas, trans fats, electric bicycles, styrofoam cups, horse drawn carriages, even pet rabbits. Then somehow act all surprised when cops actually enforce the "minor violation" laws they're passing with ever-increasing frequency.

You nailed it.

Can socially engineer a new way of better living if you don't have enforcement of the bad way of living.

 

[Moonbeam]

You know very well I can play that game, but I'm not in this thread to dick around.

More and more I am suspecting that nobody could be as imbecilic and absurd as you are and be real and that you may in fact be dicking around and playing games. But then, I tend to be optimistic.

 

[TreVader]

More and more I am suspecting that nobody could be as imbecilic and absurd as you are and be real and that you may in fact be dicking around and playing games. But then, I tend to be optimistic.

I'm impressed with the turnaround and improvement you've made in the "making sense" department! I see my lessons have been having an effect

 

[zephyrprime]

This work slowdown is bizarre. Whenever cops get killed in movies, the cops respond by cracking down and putting more boots on the ground. In reality, the opposite happens. They police less and don't even try to crack down on the neighborhoods that spawned the killer. WTF? Makes no fricken sense.

I realize that the killer was a headcase and was caught right away but even so. And then they get all mad at the mayor because they don't think he supports them enough. I read the mayor's statements and weren't that bad at all. They just seem like pissy dramaqueens.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Jesus even loves the cops!!!

 

[Naeeldar]

Oh they aren't personal attacks, check again.

You clearly are a cop or related to one. What will you do when we fire every last one of them?

I work in the corporate world and the closest relative I have is my future brother in law works in Corrections (and only future as of the last week). Frankly I have no issue with police choosing not to enforce the petty laws as a sign of protest. The 94% drop is only a drop on one tiny piece of their job. It's not like they aren't still working true felonies and patrolling NYC etc, the only real impact here is the revenues which hurts the politicians which is the perfect protest. Frankly, this type of protesting happens in every work place public or private sector. For example I've seen departments protest by taking off sick or just not following certain processes etc because it hits their paycheck or wastes their time in their eyes. it happens and as nobody is truly being hurt with it I'm ok with it. Also, as a sub not this is not 94% of their job as you stated earlier but 94% of one tiny piece of their job. So acting like they aren't working still is a bit over the top if you are being honest.

Secondly their is a practical side of this as well. NYPD is 35,000 cops. If you actually think they could fire even 1/3 of their force without major issues you have obviously never been in management. The fact is sometimes you have to slowly replace bad people because the company or department can not afford the pain it would take to do multiple firings and hire and train people (major downtime when hiring new people ). This would be true with the police force as well given how long training would take - not to mention the fact that logisitcs of training that many new people at once would never work. You can talk about firing the lot of them all you want but it would never ever happen if only from a practical stand point if nothing else.

Frankly though I support their protest of the Mayor. The guy has provided no leadership and no real support of a department that has a very hard job that can be rather dangerous as well in a city like NY. In my mind the pay sure as hell isn't worth the job that it is. Hell I feel the same way about nursing and other health related jobs. I'm grateful people exist that are willing to do it but I know I sure as hell never could.

You can be unhappy with some one off incidents like the choke hold incident (personally I don't have a problem with how it played out) but you sure as hell can't tell me that you think 35,000 peopel shoudl be punished for 1 person's actions or even the few hundred who protested the mayor. That's like saying because 20% of people in poorer areas committed crimes (made up stat before you yell at me) that means the rest should be punished as well. You've been arguing against that very logic throughout this thread.

 

[Nebor]

This is ridiculous. They aren't even striking! They are showing up and not doing their job, then going home and collecting a paycheck. What other kind of employee gets this kind of leeway?


And it's leeway in everything. The "Boys in blue" are babies who need every little thing done for them, they can't wipe their own asses without a few taxpayer dollars to wipe with. Why are they still getting payed? Why is the city of NY not doing a hiring drive to replace these assholes?

Even after their own fucking police chief told them not to turn around, they still did it. They are children who must be spanked.

The other thing that comes to my mind is, what utter cowards! Two cops die, and they cower away and shirk their responsibilities. Do you know what this says to all the rioters? It says the NYPD can be bullied because they are children!

The city of New York is in a constant "hiring drive" for police officers. I know it must seem incredible to you, given their exorbitant pay and "leeway in everything," but almost half of NYPD officers spend 5 years or less with the department. They get poached by other departments\agencies who (gasp) pay more and are less dangerous. So even given their relatively lax recruiting standards, it's a constant struggle to keep enough cops on the street.

 

[fskimospy]

I work in the corporate world and the closest relative I have is my future brother in law works in Corrections (and only future as of the last week). Frankly I have no issue with police choosing not to enforce the petty laws as a sign of protest. The 94% drop is only a drop on one tiny piece of their job. It's not like they aren't still working true felonies and patrolling NYC etc, the only real impact here is the revenues which hurts the politicians which is the perfect protest. Frankly, this type of protesting happens in every work place public or private sector. For example I've seen departments protest by taking off sick or just not following certain processes etc because it hits their paycheck or wastes their time in their eyes. it happens and as nobody is truly being hurt with it I'm ok with it. Also, as a sub not this is not 94% of their job as you stated earlier but 94% of one tiny piece of their job. So acting like they aren't working still is a bit over the top if you are being honest.

Secondly their is a practical side of this as well. NYPD is 35,000 cops. If you actually think they could fire even 1/3 of their force without major issues you have obviously never been in management. The fact is sometimes you have to slowly replace bad people because the company or department can not afford the pain it would take to do multiple firings and hire and train people (major downtime when hiring new people ). This would be true with the police force as well given how long training would take - not to mention the fact that logisitcs of training that many new people at once would never work. You can talk about firing the lot of them all you want but it would never ever happen if only from a practical stand point if nothing else.

Frankly though I support their protest of the Mayor. The guy has provided no leadership and no real support of a department that has a very hard job that can be rather dangerous as well in a city like NY. In my mind the pay sure as hell isn't worth the job that it is. Hell I feel the same way about nursing and other health related jobs. I'm grateful people exist that are willing to do it but I know I sure as hell never could.

You can be unhappy with some one off incidents like the choke hold incident (personally I don't have a problem with how it played out) but you sure as hell can't tell me that you think 35,000 peopel shoudl be punished for 1 person's actions or even the few hundred who protested the mayor. That's like saying because 20% of people in poorer areas committed crimes (made up stat before you yell at me) that means the rest should be punished as well. You've been arguing against that very logic throughout this thread.

What makes you agree with their protest? Not nebulous things like "leadership", but what specific actions has the mayor taken that you think deserve this sort of response?

I personally think this protest has deeply shamed the NYPD. Their inability to take even the mildest criticism is pretty concerning considering their role. I agree that cleaning house takes time, but de Blasio should start now. The department is sick.