NY Target store rejects unionization

[charrison]

And I can look to Germany and see the benefits there.

FYI, Germany is basically a right to work state. You dont have a join a union if you dont want as a condition of employment.

 

[Jhhnn]

FYI, Germany is basically a right to work state. You dont have a join a union if you dont want as a condition of employment.

And the vast majority of Germans aren't stupid enough to be free riders, either... Far right agitprop fell out of favor there circa 1945...

 

[JSt0rm]

and germany also has a large middle class made up of smaller protected companies. If that were 'merica they would of been swallowed by some giant walmart bullshit. Enjoy your freedom.

"Most German firms are small to medium-sized concerns, known in German as the Mittelstand. There is no direct English equivalent for Mittelstand, a term that goes back to feudal times. The German word refers not only to small and medium-sized businesses, but also to a common work ethic and to the middle-class business people who employ about two-thirds of the German work force. Although the Mittelstand was virtually eliminated in communist East Germany, it has existed in the German lands for centuries. Today, the Mittelstand accounts for about half of the total industrial production of Germany alone."

 

[Vette73]

Heres one of the many things Target made the employees watch.

http://gawker.com/5811371/heres-the-cheesy-anti+union-video-all-target-employees-must-endure

 

[BoberFett]

and germany also has a large middle class made up of smaller protected companies. If that were 'merica they would of been swallowed by some giant walmart bullshit. Enjoy your freedom.

"Most German firms are small to medium-sized concerns, known in German as the Mittelstand. There is no direct English equivalent for Mittelstand, a term that goes back to feudal times. The German word refers not only to small and medium-sized businesses, but also to a common work ethic and to the middle-class business people who employ about two-thirds of the German work force. Although the Mittelstand was virtually eliminated in communist East Germany, it has existed in the German lands for centuries. Today, the Mittelstand accounts for about half of the total industrial production of Germany alone."

Not sure what you're prattling on about. Over half of Americans are employed by small businesses.

 

[JSt0rm]

Heres one of the many things Target made the employees watch.

http://gawker.com/5811371/heres-the-cheesy-anti+union-video-all-target-employees-must-endure

oh shit. Surreal.

 

[JSt0rm]

Not sure what you're prattling on about. Over half of Americans are employed by small businesses.

that may be but I know germany has more protections in place for small business.

 

[BoberFett]

that may be but I know germany has more protections in place for small business.

The problem isn't protection of small business in the US, it's the welfare to big business that is proving to be our downfall.

 

[matt0611]

If you don't want to be represented by the union, you could find a different place to work.

I could...but I shouldn't have to.
If other people don't like that I'm not in their union, they are free to look for work elsewhere.

 

[BoberFett]

Also, it's funny.

When it comes to smoking in the workplace and conservatives say that employees who don't like it can find someplace else to work, the liberal mob gets out the torches and pitchforks. But as soon as the topic is unions, the liberals tell non-union voters to just find somewhere else to work.

Truly bizarre, the mind of a hypocrite.

 

[JSt0rm]

Also, it's funny.

When it comes to smoking in the workplace and conservatives say that employees who don't like it can find someplace else to work, the liberal mob gets out the torches and pitchforks. But as soon as the topic is unions, the liberals tell non-union voters to just find somewhere else to work.

Truly bizarre, the mind of a hypocrite.

He said that as a joke to point out the hypocrisy by the conservatives earlier in the thread.

 

[BoberFett]

He said that as a joke to point out the hypocrisy by the conservatives earlier in the thread.

Guess I missed the humor.

 

[Red Dawn]

hell i work in outdoor construction and even none of us want a union.

Sure, why make a decent wage with benefits.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sure, why make a decent wage with benefits.

he works in outdoor construction. not the bastion of intelligencia.

 

[LumbergTech]

For starters, educated =!= intelligent. In addition, whether those folks are intelligent or not, they are the ones who should decide what it best for them. Your elitist hubris is showing.......

it is true that education != intelligent but you can be damn sure that !education != intelligent is more often true

 

[alphatarget1]

Unionization of Target and Wallyworld = More business for Amazon.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Heres one of the many things Target made the employees watch.

http://gawker.com/5811371/heres-the-cheesy-anti+union-video-all-target-employees-must-endure

nothing wrong with the video IMO, no outlandish lies or anything of the sort.

 

[Vette73]

nothing wrong with the video IMO, no outlandish lies or anything of the sort.

Yea there was. Its complete BS that you are not allowed to help someone outside your department for one.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yea there was. Its complete BS that you are not allowed to help someone outside your department for one.

Targets biggest fear is some dumb hick saying that they wont help someone that isnt in their department and the union backing the hick up on it. so they twisted that into what you saw.

 

[charrison]

And the vast majority of Germans aren't stupid enough to be free riders, either... Far right agitprop fell out of favor there circa 1945...

In reality right to work, keeps the unions from getting stupid with power and destroying industry. Right to work is a check on excessive union power.

 

[hal2kilo]

In reality right to work, keeps the unions from getting stupid with power and destroying industry. Right to work is a check on excessive union power.

Yea, except for the public sector, they really don't exist, but keep ranting.

 

[charrison]

Yea, except for the public sector, they really don't exist, but keep ranting.

I dont disagree that private sector union are just about gone, but you cant deny what their excessive power did to industry in the past. And some of this past is not so distant.

I dont have a problem with people joining unions, but I dont believe it should be a requirement of employment either.

 

[pcgeek11]

Heres one of the many things Target made the employees watch.

http://gawker.com/5811371/heres-the-cheesy-anti+union-video-all-target-employees-must-endure

I didn't see anything that wasn't true in that video. Pretty accurate IMO.

 

[Nebor]

he works in outdoor construction. not the bastion of intelligencia.

Wow, it's a good thing he has enlightened people such as yourself to help his poor misguided dumb soul. Reminds me of this situation.

 

[Nebor]

oh shit. Surreal.

I didn't think the video was anything special. Convince your workers their your interests are their interests. Just like Republicans convince middle class people that when they fight for lower taxes on the wealthy, they mean the middle class. And when Democrats convince middle class people that when they fight for lower taxes on the working class, they mean the middle class. It's just good, effective strategy.