NY screws up handling Vicodin etc, urges rest of nation to do the same.

[waggy]

I don't know...I doubled my dose and it still did nothing. Maybe at some point pain just cuts through anything...

tell me about it.

but even doubling it ain't enough. they are mixed with a stuff that cuts it off. the 5-325 are pretty wimpy.

 

[xj0hnx]

I don't know...I doubled my dose and it still did nothing. Maybe at some point pain just cuts through anything...

There aren't really too many meds that can eliminate pain, the point isn't to get rid of it completely, but to dull it to manageable. In order to get rid of bad pain, you'd need some of the really good shit that pretty much is reserved for the dying, well, at least the doses that are reserved for them. It also depends on what's causing the pain, ibuprofen will work better on pain caused by inflammation, and swelling, while opiates will work better on deep, sharp pain caused by damage. But then again it's all YMMV.

 

[xj0hnx]

dont matter to me , vicodins for pussys anyway, go get some roxis (blues) and some opanas(yellows) with a fentyl patch with some xanax(bars) and somas(whites) ,now that's a cocktail.



I am fucking kidding.

No your not, it is quite the cocktail.

 

[IBMer]

Yea, that's how we should do it, because YOUR father can't control himself, fuck over millions of other people, great idea.

Yes obviously its just my dad. That's why we consume 99 percent of the hydrocodone. We must have some seriously horrible conditions in the US because so much of the population is under so much pain.

 

[Oldgamer]

I posted this a number of weeks back, http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2300625&highlight= which is in line with what is happening across the country. First off the hydrocodone 10-325's are the strongest that can be given. They are mixed with acetiminophen and are not stronger than morphine pills, or morphine IV. But by itself it is, but you won't hardly ever see a doctor prescribe that to anyone unless they are in hospice or dealing with cancer, or have some serious spinal problems where it is clear the patient is in serious ongoing pain.

These changes in NY are going to affect the elderly who suffer from crippling arthritic pain and people who have "intractable chronic pain", and this will do nothing but make these patients have to jump through more hoops, go through horrible withdrawal if their prescription refills get hung up, and over burden doctor offices. In Texas they already have a pharmacy/doctor monitoring program. They do in other states too.

But to think that anyone other than the doctor is going to determine how much and how often a "legitimate" pain patient can have is ridiculous and is way over stepping the boundaries in my opinion.

They aren't stopping those who abuse these drugs. Yes, this will force more elderly pain patients and others to start shopping online to online pharmacies for medication and up the chances of them getting "fake drugs" that are filled with dangerous ingredients.

Another thing that really bothers me about this, is that these policy/law makers aren't even trying to implement better training for physicians in the use of the pain medications, nor better education for their patients who use them. So many just do not understand the difference between a real drug addiction and someone who has built up a physical dependence from being on pain meds for years. The behavior of a legitimate pain patient when they find that pharmacies are refusing to fill their pain meds, causes undo panic and stress to that person. If they are going through withdrawal and their pain is increased they may exhibit "drug seeking" behavior, and those physicians / nurses who are not properly trained on pain medication and chronic pain will think that is what they are, an addict seeking pain meds, but in reality that is not the case they are not addicts they are simply seeking relief.

 

[waggy]

There aren't really too many meds that can eliminate pain, the point isn't to get rid of it completely, but to dull it to manageable. In order to get rid of bad pain, you'd need some of the really good shit that pretty much is reserved for the dying, well, at least the doses that are reserved for them. It also depends on what's causing the pain, ibuprofen will work better on pain caused by inflammation, and swelling, while opiates will work better on deep, sharp pain caused by damage. But then again it's all YMMV.

on top of that there is pain neither will work for.

a good NSAID does me wonders though. While i have hydrocone 10/325 (open prescription get it refilled whenever i need. wich is rare) i rarely use it. Nabumetone has helped

 

[waggy]

I posted this a number of weeks back, http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2300625&highlight= which is in line with what is happening across the country. First off the hydrocodone 10-325's are the strongest that can be given. They are mixed with acetiminophen and are not stronger than morphine pills, or morphine IV. But by itself it is, but you won't hardly ever see a doctor prescribe that to anyone unless they are in hospice or dealing with cancer, or have some serious spinal problems where it is clear the patient is in serious ongoing pain.

These changes in NY are going to affect the elderly who suffer from crippling arthritic pain and people who have "intractable chronic pain", and this will do nothing but make these patients have to jump through more hoops, go through horrible withdrawal if their prescription refills get hung up, and over burden doctor offices. In Texas they already have a pharmacy/doctor monitoring program. They do in other states too.

But to think that anyone other than the doctor is going to determine how much and how often a "legitimate" pain patient can have is ridiculous and is way over stepping the boundaries in my opinion.

They aren't stopping those who abuse these drugs. Yes, this will force more elderly pain patients and others to start shopping online to online pharmacies for medication and up the chances of them getting "fake drugs" that are filled with dangerous ingredients.

Another thing that really bothers me about this, is that these policy/law makers aren't even trying to implement better training for physicians in the use of the pain medications, nor better education for their patients who use them. So many just do not understand the difference between a real drug addiction and someone who has built up a physical dependence from being on pain meds for years. The behavior of a legitimate pain patient when they find that pharmacies are refusing to fill their pain meds, causing undo panic and stress. If they are going through withdrawal and their pain is increased they may exhibit "drug seeking" behavior, but are not true addicts.

/this

 

[Genx87]

I posted this a number of weeks back, http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2300625&highlight= which is in line with what is happening across the country. First off the hydrocodone 10-325's are the strongest that can be given. They are mixed with acetiminophen and are not stronger than morphine pills, or morphine IV. But by itself it is, but you won't hardly ever see a doctor prescribe that to anyone unless they are in hospice or dealing with cancer, or have some serious spinal problems where it is clear the patient is in serious ongoing pain.

These changes in NY are going to affect the elderly who suffer from crippling arthritic pain and people who have "intractable chronic pain", and this will do nothing but make these patients have to jump through more hoops, go through horrible withdrawal if their prescription refills get hung up, and over burden doctor offices. In Texas they already have a pharmacy/doctor monitoring program. They do in other states too.

But to think that anyone other than the doctor is going to determine how much and how often a "legitimate" pain patient can have is ridiculous and is way over stepping the boundaries in my opinion.

They aren't stopping those who abuse these drugs. Yes, this will force more elderly pain patients and others to start shopping online to online pharmacies for medication and up the chances of them getting "fake drugs" that are filled with dangerous ingredients.

Another thing that really bothers me about this, is that these policy/law makers aren't even trying to implement better training for physicians in the use of the pain medications, nor better education for their patients who use them. So many just do not understand the difference between a real drug addiction and someone who has built up a physical dependence from being on pain meds for years. The behavior of a legitimate pain patient when they find that pharmacies are refusing to fill their pain meds, causes undo panic and stress to that person. If they are going through withdrawal and their pain is increased they may exhibit "drug seeking" behavior, and those physicians / nurses who are not properly trained on pain medication and chronic pain will think that is what they are, an addict seeking pain meds, but in reality that is not the case they are not addicts they are simply seeking relief.

Bloomberg told people to suffer a little and deal with it.

 

[Heller]

No your not, it is quite the cocktail.

from 16-20 that was an everyday cocktail for me, i got clean on my 21st birthday finally, i tired a couple times before that with months of sucess but i would always relapse one random day 6 months later, i have been clean almost 12 months now. its hard and everyday struggle but N/A is a real help and i have the most supportive family a man could ask for.

 

[Oldgamer]

Oh one other note the overdoses from those who are taking too much, or are abusing, are dying from the high levels of acetiminophen, not from the opiod itself. In addition pain patients who are "undertreated" for their pain start taking advil, and tylenol in addition to what they have been prescribed and end up with kidney, liver issues big time. If they are properly treated for their pain, and not undertreated by a skiddish doctor worried about the DEA coming to wreak havoc on their practice, you might not see so many in the ER from these issues. Again, it is education that is needed, and there are far too many doctors who only get 2-3 days tops in training in medical school on the use of pain medications. Don't believe me? Start researching it online and find out how little they are actually trained on this. Nor are they given real training on chronic pain patients, and how best to treat them.

When you take away inexpensive affective opiod pain medication and then start prescribing in-affective expensive medications (where the cost may or may not be covered by medicare or regular health insurance) , that is a huge problem too. So now a person gets put on Celebrex to treat pain and is paying 100 dollars out of pocket cost as compared to 3$ for a 30 day supply of vicodin, or codeine that works far better.

 

[PokerGuy]

As usual, the government steps in with a heavy hand, screws it up and makes things worse for legitimate users, while not affecting illegitimate ones in any way. Just like gun control. Brilliant.

Morons. And sadly they'll have legions of fellow idiots supporting them.

 

[Oldgamer]

from 16-20 that was an everyday cocktail for me, i got clean on my 21st birthday finally, i tired a couple times before that with months of sucess but i would always relapse one random day 6 months later, i have been clean almost 12 months now. its hard and everyday struggle but N/A is a real help and i have the most supportive family a man could ask for.

I am glad your clean, however we shouldn't be labeling everyone who has chronic pain as a potential abuser. Studies already indicate the addiction rate isn't as high as the media has portrayed. Some people have addictive personalities but not everyone. We don't make people in pain suffer because we think they should just deal with pain, and "man up". No that is how so many have come to end their lives, and become non productive because that cannot manage daily life or work, or cope with the pain any longer.

 

[Heller]

I am glad your clean, however we shouldn't be labeling everyone who has chronic pain as a potential abuser. Studies already indicate the addiction rate isn't as high as the media has portrayed. Some people have addictive personalities but not everyone. We don't make people in pain suffer because we think they should just deal with pain, and "man up". No that is how so many have come to end their lives, and become non productive because that cannot manage daily life or work, or cope with the pain any longer.

what makes you think i disagree with you? im on your side! my dad suffers from 4 herniated disc's in his back a spinal cage and a spinal fusion. he is on pain meds for the last 15 years way before OC got popular,my mother was almost dead from a car wreck back in 2001 she has herniated disc in her neck and something terribly wrong with her hand ((don't remember the exact name but she cant hold anything with it, shell just drop it.) they dont take there meds to get high, there very responsible go to a reputable doctors (one of south Florida's most prestigious pain management centers) its all the other shitty clicinics with the fake mri reports that will give a script of roxy 30mg x180 for the month if you pay them in cash and you can actually find a pharmacy that has them in stock there. as soon as one closes down from DEA 3 more pop up, i believe in Florida there passing a new rule you have to show proof of residency in Florida to even go to the pain clinics now., none of the pharmacies around here (s.fl) take new customers for pain meds, especially for anything stronger then perc 10s

 

[Heller]

oh and just to point out what medicare got charged last year for a years supply of my fathers prescription medications (pain killers) 77,000. no joke, i should scan the statement. we where in awe when we saw what they paid for these drugs, its astronomical.

 

[waggy]

oh and just to point out what medicare got charged last year for a years supply of my fathers prescription medications (pain killers) 77,000. no joke, i should scan the statement. we where in awe when we saw what they paid for these drugs, its astronomical.

wow!

 

[dank69]

People will have a harder time getting pain killers for legitimate use. All because there were 703 reported cases of abuse out of thousands.

Sounds like a much higher percentage than in-person voter fraud. :hmm:

 

[OverVolt]

Ny is the new retarded Cali. So how long until their deficit explodes trying to regulate every little facet of peoples lives?

 

[Smoblikat]

And yet marijuana is still a schedule 1....................cocaine isnt even a motherfudging schedule 1 drug

 

[xj0hnx]

And yet marijuana is still a schedule 1....................cocaine isnt even a motherfudging schedule 1 drug

Cocaine has medical use, it's still used to constrict capillaries in micro vascular surgery, especially in the eyes, and nasal area.

 

[OverVolt]

Cocaine has medical use, it's still used to constrict capillaries in micro vascular surgery, especially in the eyes, and nasal area.

4% topical cocaine.

The more you know~~

 

[werepossum]

It's an easy fix. All NY official prescriptions are barcoded and scanned. Controlled substances are added to a database so prescribers and LEO can see if there is abuse. Just add pharmacies and have the software check before dispensing. Now we're stuck with onerous additional regs, create difficulties for legitimate patients and do nothing practically except to prevent refills being given.

We certainly do need that. We once had an employee who shopped multiple doctors for various imaginary ailments. A few months after he was let go here, he crossed the center line and killed a young father. I've also seen the flip side; my daughter was crippled in a car accident. She was in terrible pain for the rest of her life and not very mobile; getting her to the doctor was pretty much an all-day endeavor and caused so much pain she'd be virtually comatose from the medication for a day or two afterward. No way she could return every month.

 

[Agent11]

Dr. Charles Argoff, director of the comprehensive pain management center at Albany Medical Center, said the FDA should accept the advisory panel's recommendations. "Scientifically, it's pretty open and shut. Hydrocodone is more potent than morphine, yet it's more accessible. That's never made much sense to a lot of us in the pain management world."

This Dr. seriously just said that? That's crazy talk. He's crazy.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I wish we could jail these holier-than-though politicians and activists who want to keep drugs illegal and simply legalize all drugs.

 

[nanette1985]

I wish we could jail these holier-than-though politicians and activists who want to keep drugs illegal and simply legalize all drugs.

I agree. But not jail - jail they can get released from. Torture that results in pain.

 

[Darwin333]

Yes obviously its just my dad. That's why we consume 99 percent of the hydrocodone. We must have some seriously horrible conditions in the US because so much of the population is under so much pain.

Or maybe its because in a lot of countries you can purchase codeine mixed with APAP over the counter? No need to take half a day off work and jump through all kinds of bullshit like this when you have a really bad backache or something.

And maybe because a lot of countries are poor and don't use a whole lot of synthetic pain killers or even have access to decent doctors/pharmacies?

Regardless, please tell me again why you want to fuck over real people in horrible pain to prevent someone else from getting intoxicated again. Thanks.