Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

My point is, when you stupid little fanbois argue over specific products or drivers, at least constructive relevant info and debate is going on, now youre just all bitching at each other because you dont like the people in the other camp.

There is NOTHING video related in this entire thread, it is a waste of bandwidth at anandtech.

This kind of marketing has gone on for YEARS if not DECADES... it is not a new concept. I know product testers for dell and sony, do we have to burn them at the stake too?

Because it has gone on for years, it's ok to excuse it? Wtf kind of logic is that?

It's the "as long as it doesn't affect me, I don't care" logic.

 

[jasonja]

As a long time Rollo hater (I've always known he was an nVidia corporate pawn) I'm thrilled to see the truth come out. This scam is just another notch in the belt of evil marketing that nVidia wears.

So long Rollo, you're done here. Time to create a new identity and start your next charade.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

I actually agree with Acanthus.. its all pointless..
as far as i know, this is a common marketing practice among all companies, especially competing ones. The only difference is that NV is unfortunately enough to be caught...

if either company was to offer me free hardware I'd take it..

It is NV's bad luck that they got caugh, but I think there is a lot of value in expressing one's opinion on this as a consumer. Marketing departments are not in the business of alienating thier customers, and you can bet the both AEG and people at NV have read this thread. Hopefully, by voicing our distaste for this type of marketing tactic it will make these companies think twice before they decide to do it again or continue with this behaviour. I also think there is value in letting the forum members involved know what we think of them and their deceitful activities.

I agree with you totally. What I see as pointless is seeing ATI fanbis come out attacking NV not because of their distaste for such marketing, but to bash NV and praise Ati. It seemed to me that on anand, there is more ATI supporters than NV supporters, and ATI supporters being more radical as to initiate attacks. I seriously wonder if Ati is indeed doing the same thing the only difference being more fortunately/careful as to not get caught.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: beggerking
I agree with you totally. What I see as pointless is seeing ATI fanbis come out attacking NV not because of their distaste for such marketing, but to bash NV and praise Ati. It seemed to me that on anand, there is more ATI supporters than NV supporters, and ATI supporters being more radical as to initiate attacks. I seriously wonder if Ati is indeed doing the same thing the only difference being more fortunately/careful as to not get caught.

You've got it backwards. Nv fanboys here (and everywhere) are so rabid that they attacked me (life long Nvidia user). Even Xbitlabs agrees, see their latest article and you'll be amazed.

Anyway I dont see anyone praising ATI, the only ones bringing ATI into this topic are Wreckage and now you.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

My point is, when you stupid little fanbois argue over specific products or drivers, at least constructive relevant info and debate is going on, now youre just all bitching at each other because you dont like the people in the other camp.

There is NOTHING video related in this entire thread, it is a waste of bandwidth at anandtech.

This kind of marketing has gone on for YEARS if not DECADES... it is not a new concept. I know product testers for dell and sony, do we have to burn them at the stake too?

These aren't product testers and AEG is not a technical design firm hired to test products. AEG is a marketing firm that sways the opinion of "well respected" forum posters in the hope that they will in turn portray the products in a positive light.

People have also been lying, cheating, and stealing for well over decades, does that make it right?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Ah your bias shines eternal.

That's listed under "Crisis Management" in other worlds controlling not spreading :roll:

It's funny how only the fanboys on this forum are having such a field day while other forums realize what a small deal this really is.

BTW here is a link to thier site. A google search for AEG was not very helpful.

It's Arbuthnot Entertainment Group

List of clients

I know where it is listed, I posted that over 2 months ago on another forum.

Being small is your opinion.

Funny how you didnt respond to my last post, when you were called out.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Part of the email (modified) was posted by Chalnoth.

link?

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=692404&postcount=708

Which comes off as more of hey you guys wanted to keep it quite if you don't want to do so now then thats up to you. But please remember not disclose unreleased or knowledge of Nvidia products that is not widely known. Not some letter telling people to spill the beans but only if you say it like we want you to say it.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

My point is, when you stupid little fanbois argue over specific products or drivers, at least constructive relevant info and debate is going on, now youre just all bitching at each other because you dont like the people in the other camp.

There is NOTHING video related in this entire thread, it is a waste of bandwidth at anandtech.

This kind of marketing has gone on for YEARS if not DECADES... it is not a new concept. I know product testers for dell and sony, do we have to burn them at the stake too?

These aren't product testers and AEG is not a technical design firm hired to test products. AEG is a marketing firm that sways the opinion of "well respected" forum posters in the hope that they will in turn portray the products in a positive light.

People have also been lying, cheating, and stealing for well over decades, does that make it right?

No but this is the first time people have exploded at the use of it. And at first people just got upset becaus eNvidia used "viral marketing" untill the realized it viral because of how it spreads out like a well known tactic called word of mouth, which is considered a form of viral marketing.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Which comes off as more of hey you guys wanted to keep it quite if you don't want to do so now then thats up to you. But please remember not disclose unreleased or knowledge of Nvidia products that is not widely known. Not some letter telling people to spill the beans but only if you say it like we want you to say it.

You are missing the whole point.

There is a team of such individuals spread across major forums, controlled by a marketing/PR firm. Now the "upto you" part is also a marketing move, damage control.

And I dont buy the "you guys wanted to keep quiet" as it was clearly a part of the NDA (see Pete's post).

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: beggerking
I agree with you totally. What I see as pointless is seeing ATI fanbis come out attacking NV not because of their distaste for such marketing, but to bash NV and praise Ati. It seemed to me that on anand, there is more ATI supporters than NV supporters, and ATI supporters being more radical as to initiate attacks. I seriously wonder if Ati is indeed doing the same thing the only difference being more fortunately/careful as to not get caught.

You've got it backwards. Nv fanboys here (and everywhere) are so rabid that they attacked me (life long Nvidia user). Even Xbitlabs agrees, see their latest article and you'll be amazed.

Anyway I dont see anyone praising ATI, the only ones bringing ATI into this topic are Wreckage and now you.

I'd rather not listing them out, but there are indeed rabid ATI fanboys here... wait a few posts and you will see who comes out attacking

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking

I agree with you totally. What I see as pointless is seeing ATI fanbis come out attacking NV not because of their distaste for such marketing, but to bash NV and praise Ati. It seemed to me that on anand, there is more ATI supporters than NV supporters, and ATI supporters being more radical as to initiate attacks. I seriously wonder if Ati is indeed doing the same thing the only difference being more fortunately/careful as to not get caught.

Who has actually PRAISED ATI for not doing this? In fact a lot of people think ATI PRobably do do it and have said they would burn ATI the same way if something became public. People ARE royally pissed cause some of the opinions posted on this forum were in fact not opinions at all but marketing. I would seriously be pissed as well if ATI did it but I don't actually get vid card advice from members of this forum anyway.

 

[crazydingo]

^ exactly.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Malladine
you're all stinkin fanboys damnit!

/thread.

This thread really should be locked imo... stickied, but locked.

IMHO, anyone that does this for any company is scum.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

It's funny how only the fanboys on this forum are having such a field day while other forums realize what a small deal this really is.

agreed. although i'd just say members instead of fanboys

the problem is, the only association people here have to this program is rollo.

 

[Ronin]

The only self-professed person here involved, anyway. Who's to say there aren't others who are too chicken to come forward?

 

[golem]

Who has actually PRAISED ATI for not doing this? In fact a lot of people think ATI PRobably do do it and have said they would burn ATI the same way if something became public. People ARE royally pissed cause some of the opinions posted on this forum were in fact not opinions at all but marketing. I would seriously be pissed as well if ATI did it but I don't actually get vid card advice from members of this forum anyway.

A lot of people say a lot of things. Until the company they root for does the same thing, then they're strangley quiet. I've seen this over an over again in regards to both ATI and Nvidia supporters. Over the years, just look at the posts condeming Nvida for cheating on 3dmark, but then those same people defending/excusing ATI with Quack. Look at the post attacking Nvidia for App specific optimizations, but then nothing on ATI A.I. I'm using the attacks on Nvidia as an example, but it cuts both ways. When/if it's revealed that ATI does something similar, a lot of those defending Nvidia now will turn their attack mode on, and those attacking Nvidia now, will have spin/damage control mode on.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: golem
A lot of people say a lof of things. Until the company they root for does the same thing, then they're strangley quiet. I've seen this over an over again in regards to both ATI and Nvidia supporters. Over the years, just look at the posts condeming Nvida for cheating on 3dmark, but then those same people defending/excusing ATI with Quack. Look at the post attacking Nvidia for App specific optimizations, but then nothing on ATI A.I. I'm using the attacks on Nvidia as an example, but it cuts both ways. When/if it's revealed that ATI does something similar, a lot of those defending Nvidia now will turn their attack mode on, and those attacking Nvidia now, will have spin/damage control mode on.

That happens almost every day here. The flip-flopping is really funny.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Ronin
The only self-professed person here involved, anyway. Who's to say there aren't others who are too chicken to come forward?

wooops. bad word choice.

i meant, the only opinions people have formed about aeg/nv is based on their relationship with rollo.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Which comes off as more of hey you guys wanted to keep it quite if you don't want to do so now then thats up to you. But please remember not disclose unreleased or knowledge of Nvidia products that is not widely known. Not some letter telling people to spill the beans but only if you say it like we want you to say it.

You are missing the whole point.

There is a team of such individuals spread across major forums, controlled by a marketing/PR firm. Now the "upto you" part is also a marketing move, damage control.

And I dont buy the "you guys wanted to keep quiet" as it was clearly a part of the NDA (see Pete's post).

I read his post and it did nothing to clear this up, he just said he was invited to be part of a focus group and declined to be apart of it. I just don't believe they are being controlled, I think people like Rollo took it upon himself to do what he has done.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Which comes off as more of hey you guys wanted to keep it quite if you don't want to do so now then thats up to you. But please remember not disclose unreleased or knowledge of Nvidia products that is not widely known. Not some letter telling people to spill the beans but only if you say it like we want you to say it.

You are missing the whole point.

There is a team of such individuals spread across major forums, controlled by a marketing/PR firm. Now the "upto you" part is also a marketing move, damage control.

And I dont buy the "you guys wanted to keep quiet" as it was clearly a part of the NDA (see Pete's post).

I read his post and it did nothing to clear this up, he just said he was invited to be part of a focus group and declined to be apart of it. I just don't believe they are being controlled, I think people like Rollo took it upon himself to do what he has done.

yeah, where did Pete say anything like that was in the nda?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Which comes off as more of hey you guys wanted to keep it quite if you don't want to do so now then thats up to you. But please remember not disclose unreleased or knowledge of Nvidia products that is not widely known. Not some letter telling people to spill the beans but only if you say it like we want you to say it.

You are missing the whole point.

There is a team of such individuals spread across major forums, controlled by a marketing/PR firm. Now the "upto you" part is also a marketing move, damage control.

And I dont buy the "you guys wanted to keep quiet" as it was clearly a part of the NDA (see Pete's post).

I read his post and it did nothing to clear this up, he just said he was invited to be part of a focus group and declined to be apart of it. I just don't believe they are being controlled, I think people like Rollo took it upon himself to do what he has done.

AEG is a marketing firm, what do you think they employ people's services for? Beta testing?

 

[darXoul]

Since my thoughts are fairly random now, here are a few points:

1. The practice to lobby for a company under the veil of a so-called "knowledgeable poster" without disclosing true nature of the "advice" is unethical but I'm not a crusader and I just wanna say that I don't really give a crap, I've seen worse.

2. I don't give a crap because I can read benchmarks and observe the market, which I also cordially recommend to everyone else willing to purchase something as costly as e.g. a brand new video card.

3. This makes me independent from hardware advice provided by any hired corporate pawn or biased idealist fanboy who BTW is way more of a moron than the first guy.

4. This forum might lose quite a bit of its credibility since numerous users will probably refrain from trying to obtain "objective advice" in an environment where much of it comes from biased people.

5. We cannot prove anything so we might as well go back to where we were before the whole AEG affair.

6. Pardon my general and trivial remark but stupidity and ignorance always loses and makes people most prone to manipulation.

7. Excuse another trivial comment but I really think that certain people here should get a life - their post count combined with the speculative, childishly argumentative and usually 100% worthless content is really beyond pitiful.

8. 7800 GTX 512 is clearly worse than X1900XT(X), we don't know how the G71 will perform, and Dell 2405FPW which looks like everybody's darling here (due to reasons I don't even wanna discover) is a mediocre, overrated LCD for heavy gaming.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: golem

Who has actually PRAISED ATI for not doing this? In fact a lot of people think ATI PRobably do do it and have said they would burn ATI the same way if something became public. People ARE royally pissed cause some of the opinions posted on this forum were in fact not opinions at all but marketing. I would seriously be pissed as well if ATI did it but I don't actually get vid card advice from members of this forum anyway.

A lot of people say a lot of things. Until the company they root for does the same thing, then they're strangley quiet. I've seen this over an over again in regards to both ATI and Nvidia supporters. Over the years, just look at the posts condeming Nvida for cheating on 3dmark, but then those same people defending/excusing ATI with Quack. Look at the post attacking Nvidia for App specific optimizations, but then nothing on ATI A.I. I'm using the attacks on Nvidia as an example, but it cuts both ways. When/if it's revealed that ATI does something similar, a lot of those defending Nvidia now will turn their attack mode on, and those attacking Nvidia now, will have spin/damage control mode on.

Another which I find hilarious is the fan noise thing, While not yet at 5800u levels the XTX is getting pretty close but now its fine. Honestly I don't want a two slot cooler on my card and if I had to it would have to be the fastest card available. But the 180 that one is insane. Now these "tweaks" are accepted by all as long as you don't notice a difference in picture, but again once that happens the other side yells fire once again.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

man some of you guys need to relax and get a damn girlfriend F-F-S,.....lol


so lemme get this straight this is sooo unethical and anyone who does it is unethical also,,..but only if its nvidia doing it because nvidia didnt run a coverup on it?

and at the same note people like morph in this thread and apoppin have stated that they dont hide thier favor of ati and thier products and give advise towards ati and suggest them constantly,..so what would be different about your views of ati if they gave you hardware as long as you do what your doing anyway?,.... does that make you unethical in the first place then?... or is it that you trust ati's products,... believe anyone who owns one that you suggest it too will be happy with thier purchase,.. because you believe it to be a high quality product,... which it is,.. your not promoting trash for a buck or 2,.. your portraying something you honestly believe in,.. and in return the company gives you the products you believe to be geniune, just as if you give a friend a piece of hardare that you dont need just because you know they love it (at least i would anyway and i have many times when i upgrade).... now,..nothing ati or nvidia puts out is trash,... so wtf?,... everyone is starting to call people assholes and unethical like they are on a high horse and better than everyone else is BS,..i see people bash nvidia all over the place for no reason other than thier own wanting,... so theres no other reason,.. you dont get anything out of it other than self pleasantries,... so what makes that ethical?,..

im well aware of how this works,,... im just curious to see who can also see both sides,.. or whos just being a jerk off about it

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Which comes off as more of hey you guys wanted to keep it quite if you don't want to do so now then thats up to you. But please remember not disclose unreleased or knowledge of Nvidia products that is not widely known. Not some letter telling people to spill the beans but only if you say it like we want you to say it.

You are missing the whole point.

There is a team of such individuals spread across major forums, controlled by a marketing/PR firm. Now the "upto you" part is also a marketing move, damage control.

And I dont buy the "you guys wanted to keep quiet" as it was clearly a part of the NDA (see Pete's post).

I read his post and it did nothing to clear this up, he just said he was invited to be part of a focus group and declined to be apart of it. I just don't believe they are being controlled, I think people like Rollo took it upon himself to do what he has done.

AEG is a marketing firm, what do you think they employ people's services for? Beta testing?

Actually to a strong degree Yes. Not in the sense that you or I regulaly think of but yes. Think about Focus groups brought in to tell if a new logo is acceptable and interesting. Intel would never have killed off Intel inside if a few focus groups that their Marketing firm brought over felt that leap ahead sounded stupid. GTA would not have been released if it made focus groups throw up in disgust. So marketing firms do handle a form of beta testing that has more to do with perception then bugs, but it is a form of beta testing.