Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[Powermoloch]

The truth hurts doesn't it >.>

 

[nitromullet]

Edit: Deleted.

...my opinions have not changed, but getting into an open bashing of AEG shills won't benefit anything....

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

I don't ask salesmen in computer stores for an advice,they usually don't know jack.
I do it on forums.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel
You know I last posted about 9 pages back on this and boy has the world changed.

Rollo- I am disapointed in you, Not because your part of this AEG thing. But because you let people defend you as not being part of this group when you really were. People like me Ronin and Keys all defended you since the first thread while some (Keys and Ronin) were attacked for doing so. As some one who doesn't have a problem with AEG I think some of us, if you really weren't under NDA about being part of the Group deserved to know even if by PM that you were part of this.

To everyone else, this is turning out to be more of the same thing I said. Free prodcut have fun, tell people about it. In fact this NDA that everyone was yelling up and down the street about, turned out to be exactly what I thought it would be, an NDA about products unreleased.

The problem is somewhere in the middle here, alot of people, RED fans for the most part are trying to turn this into more then it really is. And some people Green fans seem brush it off as nothing at all.

Here I sit, to a lot of you Rollo's words will have very little value, for some of you they never did in the first place. For those people Gloat that you knew all along because for you chances are this will be your lifes crowning achivement. For the other I myself am wondering how to deal with Rollo from this point on. Not because he is in the Group but because of how he let peole denie his involvement right up to the point where he finally fessed up to all. That sir is a lack of ethics that Apponin was looking for. But I would like to comment right now and say this, people who refer now or before that Rollos Threads were FUD, I ask that you look over it again. He did have a slant in his threads. He made several threads about Nvidia success' and several about ATI Failures. That is where the slant I saw ended, most of the topics were true. The biggest problem with it was Rollo was a Drama Queen and especially the ATI threads, the topics came off worse then they actually were.

I still don't have a problem with this Viral Marketing, it not only standard practice and most of people who have an issue with it seem to have this price limit in their head that makes impossible for them believe that a company would give anything away that worth more, and therefore must be considered payment for undercover work. On the other hand Rollo by the denial to both stone throwers and supporters alike has given everyone in this marketing program a black eye.

nice post . . . one of the first philosophical ones by you that i generally agree with

However, remember . . . Rollo didn't do this to us . . . nVidia did.

that's why i will never "accept' Viral marketing. . . . but i realize it will not 'go away' . . . it will go more underground as nVidia moves it's deceptive programme "in house".

Well thanks,

Again I don't have a problem with this marketing. My problem with Rollo, he denied being part of this, and as a sucker I listened to him and felt that he was unfairly being made into some kind of fugitive. Now I feel like a liar because I believed, and in a way feel backstabbed. Rollo being involved in this wouldn't have affect my views on what he has to say, I saw a little bias, but no lies, but that changed when he denied involvement he at that point lied and that changed everything.

 

[nitromullet]

Well put weasel, I think that sums it up pretty well. People involved can argue all the angles that they want, but ultimately it boils down to simple deception.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
People can only assume that ATI does the same thing.

I'm not ready to make this assumption. You can if you want, but I don't think it's such a natural assumption as you suggest. This is a relatively new kind of marketing and as someone else said, ATI does not seem to be as aggressive as Nvidia as far as marketing goes.

Viral Marketing is one of the oldest types of marketing, and forthe most part one of the cheapest. One form of Viral marketing is word of mouth which this called word of type. The big question is did this go beyond viral marketing to guerilla marketing. Usually guerrilla marketing is when a an actual employee (usually) is sent to a forum to bring up their products non stop, but if they were payed in hardware to give only Pro-Nvidia answers then it is guerrilla marketing and not only should they be banned, but should be charged for advertising space.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

no not like that

in a store you are expecting a salesman .. . not expecting a regular forum member giving "advice" to be a nVidia mole.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

nonsense . . . ATi is not on the hot seat . . . otoh, your company is.

it's clear you have an agenda . . . you support nVidia no matter what. ;')

and now you are trying to excuse Viral Marketing by saying "probably" ATi does it.
[/quote]

So this is how you handle a perfectly reasonable statement? You call "agenda"?
What is wrong with you? Put down the torch and pitchfork man.


Quote from Morph: The fact that Keys still has "Rollo for MOD!" in his sig should also tell you something about the way he thinks."

Your a twisted lad for sure. This is how you guys handle a perfectly valid and utterly reasonable statement someone makes. If both Apoppin and Morph actually think ATI as well as other companies don't employ similar marketing tactics, you both are very naive.
I do fully understand however, that your statements are probably just for spite and therefore should not be taken seriously. I know both of you are smarter than that.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppinnice post . . . one of the first philosophical ones by you that i generally agree with

However, remember . . . Rollo didn't do this to us . . . nVidia did.

that's why i will never "accept' Viral marketing. . . . but i realize it will not 'go away' . . . it will go more underground as nVidia moves it's deceptive programme "in house".

Well thanks,

Again I don't have a problem with this marketing. My problem with Rollo, he denied being part of this, and as a sucker I listened to him and felt that he was unfairly being made into some kind of fugitive. Now I feel like a liar because I believed, and in a way feel backstabbed. Rollo being involved in this wouldn't have affect my views on what he has to say, I saw a little bias, but no lies, but that changed when he denied involvement he at that point lied and that changed everything.

i see you point and understand why you feel backstabbed . . .

however, to expand on my point . . . iF nVidia did not use this type of marketing, we wouldn't be almost universal in our condemnation of Rollo . . .this type of guerilla marketing encourages lying and FUD-spinning

Rollo is "human" . . . and AEG found and exploited his weakness. . . .
. . . and then threw him away. Cold. Unethical. Wrong.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

no not like that

in a store you are expecting a salesman .. . not expecting a regular forum member giving "advice" to be a nVidia mole.

The Problem is people naturally have biases wether because of precieved facts or based on prior usage. For example myself, I will admit personally I have a slight Nvidia bias that I try not ifluence my conversations with other but has a big affect on my own personal purchases. Most of my bias comes from drivers, but also possible companies ot purchase from. I used to say if going ATI only get ATI made cards, but now with 1 yr warranties I can't even say that with a strait face.

Anyways off subject People have will have some kind of bias no matter what, so how can one except any answer devoid of one completely. The best Idea is always research your purchase and listen to the masses not just one single company. Banning some one with a bias would get all people banned.

 

[HomeyFoos]

LOL, this is hysterical.

You guys are acting like this is a big deal. I'm really new here and I'm not trying to upset anyone. I see there are some politics playing out. But any information that is disseminated here can be validated with just a little effort. So even if 'Poster X' is on the payroll and gives a bias in a post, anything he says can be checked. Also, this is a forum so there are going to be people out there ready to refute whatever this alledged 'company man' has to say. Now, the person who refutes may be no better than the originator (i.e. he is on someone else's payroll), but that is the beauty of this type of discussion. Through it, the truth is found. You just have to make decisions for yourself.

I agree that if are paying someone to make these decisions and they recommend a piece of equipment that is not what you need because they are on the take then that is bad. But this is free advice. You can take it or leave it. This isn't science where your claims make or break your career. This is a hardware forum. Where people are free and encouraged to give their opinion, regardless of their alliance.

Seriously, if someone is full of it, someone else will quickly point this out. As long as the information is true and useful, I don't care what the Poster has going for him/her in their personal life. I would take freebies if I could get them and then toot their horn as payment. I'm not a fool. I just think it's silly to think that someone here owes you (whoever) an explaination. Are the people who buy eVGA cards and take advantage of their perks biased when they post? I would hope so. eVGA has done them a tremendous service by allowing them to OC/Unlock and trade up. This is no different.



Respectfully,


HomeyFoos

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

nonsense . . . ATi is not on the hot seat . . . otoh, your company is.

it's clear you have an agenda . . . you support nVidia no matter what. ;')

and now you are trying to excuse Viral Marketing by saying "probably" ATi does it.

So this is how you handle a perfectly reasonable statement? You call "agenda"?
What is wrong with you? Put down the torch and pitchfork man.


Quote from Morph: The fact that Keys still has "Rollo for MOD!" in his sig should also tell you something about the way he thinks."

Your a twisted lad for sure. This is how you guys handle a perfectly valid and utterly reasonable statement someone makes. If both Apoppin and Morph actually think ATI as well as other companies don't employ similar marketing tactics, you both are very naive.
I do fully understand however, that your statements are probably just for spite and therefore should not be taken seriously. I know both of you are smarter than that.
[/quote]

you claim . . . over-and-over - that 'i' have an agenda . .. you use the same 'tactics' as Rollo and still defend him . . . you spin anti-ATi FUD constantly and call it "reasonable".

What am i supposed to think?

ATi is not on the 'hot seat' . . . nVidia is [period] . . . you are naive to believe otherwise.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Repeated attempts to derail the topic. If and when ATI is caught in a similar situation, there will be an equal or worse (thanks to "aggressive" nv fanboys) outcry.

Originally posted by: nitromullet
This is an example of why this whole thing is bad and why Rollo is a chump...

From the "beauty and beast" thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1793872&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Nice.

Glad to see that you took your own advice, and picked up a GTX 512. Even if you don't have my support on this recommendation, as always, you do have my respect for putting your money where your mouth is.

I also think that you will find the ATI card to be a pretty nice card as well. Of course, it won't compare to the GTX 512, but R520 really is better than one would expect given the bad press it received...

Enjoy your toys

Nice, that he accepts my complements, but doesn't bother to correct me that he didn't in fact put his money where his mouth is, but rather he put his mouth where NVIDIA's @%$# is.

same thread, page 2...

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Extelleron
How the heck can you people afford all this stuff.......

In my case, I went to college, got a decent paying job, and married a woman who did the same.

Funny, no mention of the freebies part, but there definitely is the implication that this hardware is worth every honest penny you could spend on it.

Also, this is completetly different than beta testing, so save that line for someone else. Beta testing may require an NDA about the products themselves, but I would doubt that there are many beta testers who are forced to sign an NDA about the very fact that they are beta testers. We have that one ATI beta tester that argues with you from time to time, and he's never withheld that from us. Furthermore, can the act about how AEG didn't either ask or give you permission to come out about your involvement. If they didn't, you would be breaking your NDA and they could take legal action against you.

Sorry, but I think that the only graceful thing to do at this point is to retire the "Rollo" nick and leave this forum. You, with all your moral high ground talk... Must be easy when you get hardware for free... This is an insult to all of us who spend our hard earned cash for our gear.

I just found this in my PM's from 11/05/2005 as well...

Nitromullet, we are kindred spirits. (I once even had a mullet!)

How about a Rollo for Mod in your sig?

What a crock, I'm not a kindred spirit with your viral marketing... Glad I didn't support you on that. I wonder how all those people that did feel now?

I feel for everybody who was taken for a ride by Rollo or anybody who was a part of this program.

As much as these "members" claim they are not swayed, imagine getting free uber videocards, pre-release information, 3007FPWs and what not and try to remain "balanced". Heck most people would start pushing S3 Chrome S27 over 7800s and X1900s.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppinnice post . . . one of the first philosophical ones by you that i generally agree with

However, remember . . . Rollo didn't do this to us . . . nVidia did.

that's why i will never "accept' Viral marketing. . . . but i realize it will not 'go away' . . . it will go more underground as nVidia moves it's deceptive programme "in house".

Well thanks,

Again I don't have a problem with this marketing. My problem with Rollo, he denied being part of this, and as a sucker I listened to him and felt that he was unfairly being made into some kind of fugitive. Now I feel like a liar because I believed, and in a way feel backstabbed. Rollo being involved in this wouldn't have affect my views on what he has to say, I saw a little bias, but no lies, but that changed when he denied involvement he at that point lied and that changed everything.

i see you point and understand why you feel backstabbed . . .

however, to expand on my point . . . iF nVidia did not use this type of marketing, we wouldn't be almost universal in our condemnation of Rollo . . .this type of guerilla marketing encourages lying and FUD-spinning

Rollo is "human" . . . and AEG found and exploited his weakness. . . .
. . . and then threw him away. Cold. Unethical. Wrong.

See this is where we differ again, we don't know if AEG is promoting FUD spinning or is just giving hardware away to users it feel can make the best judgements about them.

here is where I stand.

Viral marketing is legal and OK.

Guerrilla Marketing is not OK and is Legal to some degree but only with the Hosters consent.

So far we still stand at Viral marketing with no connection to guerrilla marketing.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

The hypocrisy of the ATI fanboy on this board, knows no bounds.

Of course to them ATI is a shining pillar of light and nothing can tarnish that image.

Ackmed, Morph, Munky, nts and the others have a very clear bias, and their refusal to admit it makes it that much more obvious. Maybe they are just upset that Rollo got free video cards for his bias and all they get is ignored. Although I would not be surprised if at least one of them was "connected" in some way.

The facts in reviews and performance stand for themselves. The opinions here won't change.

Hey, nubber, how about "I like my shadows non-blocky, my textures non-shimmering, and SM3 is a card that's fast enough to use it at 2005 settings, not 1999 settings?" If that's your definition of "bias", then I'm really looking forward to your explanation of the continuous Nv pimping. N00b...

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
How people take anything the exposed AEG members say as truth, I wont understand. Its obvious they have an agenda, as I and others have said many times in the past.

Originally posted by: g3pro
What's funny is that ATi is doing the same with a different undisclosed advertising company.

Hypocrisy bites.

Got any facts to back that up?

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

The hypocrisy of the ATI fanboy on this board, knows no bounds.

Of course to them ATI is a shining pillar of light and nothing can tarnish that image.

Ackmed, Morph, Munky, nts and the others have a very clear bias, and their refusal to admit it makes it that much more obvious. Maybe they are just upset that Rollo got free video cards for his bias and all they get is ignored. Although I would not be surprised if at least one of them was "connected" in some way.

The facts in reviews and performance stand for themselves. The opinions here won't change.

What are you blabbering about? Explain to me how I am being a hypocrite, if you're going to accuse me of it.

I said I have a bias towards ATi, so once again you're wrong on that point.

Who said anything about reviews or performances? You quoted something, and didnt even reply to what you quoted. Why did you even post?

 

[Malladine]

you're all stinkin fanboys damnit!

/thread.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

nonsense . . . ATi is not on the hot seat . . . otoh, your company is.

it's clear you have an agenda . . . you support nVidia no matter what. ;')

and now you are trying to excuse Viral Marketing by saying "probably" ATi does it.

So this is how you handle a perfectly reasonable statement? You call "agenda"?
What is wrong with you? Put down the torch and pitchfork man.


Quote from Morph: The fact that Keys still has "Rollo for MOD!" in his sig should also tell you something about the way he thinks."

Your a twisted lad for sure. This is how you guys handle a perfectly valid and utterly reasonable statement someone makes. If both Apoppin and Morph actually think ATI as well as other companies don't employ similar marketing tactics, you both are very naive.
I do fully understand however, that your statements are probably just for spite and therefore should not be taken seriously. I know both of you are smarter than that.

you claim . . . over-and-over - that 'i' have an agenda . .. you use the same 'tactics' as Rollo and still defend him . . . you spin anti-ATi FUD constantly and call it "reasonable".

What am i supposed to think?

ATi is not on the 'hot seat' . . . nVidia is [period] . . . you are naive to believe otherwise.[/quote]

But you have an admitted agenda so I feel advocating in saying so. You said you believed the vid forums here at AT needed more vocal ATI supporters to counter the Nvidia FUD that goes on. And you took it upon yourself to do so.

And what FUD do I spread? If you are referring to the noise arguments we had, that was a difference in our opinions. As I said in that thread, or one of them, all I want is truth to be told, honesty, no downplaying issues or blowing them out of proportions. I have no agenda other than to see that this does not go uncontested when it happens.

You're seemingly inventing things that I did not say as well. I never said ATI was in the hot seat and DID state Nvidia was in the spotlight. THIS however does not automatically mean that ATI does not subscribe to the same type of marketing. All it means is, that it has not made it to public, YET.

So calm the hell down. I have no agenda other than what I stated. Do not twist my words or quote them out of context please.

 

[Topweasel]

As much as these "members" claim they are not swayed, imagine getting free uber videocards, pre-release information, 3007FPWs and what not and try to remain "balanced". Heck most people would start pushing S3 Chrome S27 over 7800s and X1900s.

I wouldn't claim they are not swayed by the nice presents, but their is a big difference between being happy about new free hardware and liking said company even more, then accepting hardware as a payment for spreading propaganda and FUD. FUD spreading has never been a part of Viral Marketting.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

no not like that

in a store you are expecting a salesman .. . not expecting a regular forum member giving "advice" to be a nVidia mole.

The Problem is people naturally have biases wether because of precieved facts or based on prior usage. For example myself, I will admit personally I have a slight Nvidia bias that I try not ifluence my conversations with other but has a big affect on my own personal purchases. Most of my bias comes from drivers, but also possible companies ot purchase from. I used to say if going ATI only get ATI made cards, but now with 1 yr warranties I can't even say that with a strait face.

Anyways off subject People have will have some kind of bias no matter what, so how can one except any answer devoid of one completely. The best Idea is always research your purchase and listen to the masses not just one single company. Banning some one with a bias would get all people banned.

i gotta head for work . . . this is like watching a train wreck . . . it's hard to look away . . .

Yes, we ALL have biases . . . i don't hide my preference for ATi over nVidia . . . both for their products and company ethics . . . what's in you rig is evidence of what you prefer - at the moment. That does not mean i don't respect nVidia's product or hesitate to recommend one of their cards when asked for advice.

However, to have hidden "agents" actively working - paid to post with 'bribes' - is despicable [imo] and one reason [for me] to like nVidia's practices even less.

what Video NEEDS is MODERATION . . . actively timing-out members that flame or personally attack others.

i really "feel" for the Mod with that future job.
:Q

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppinnice post . . . one of the first philosophical ones by you that i generally agree with

However, remember . . . Rollo didn't do this to us . . . nVidia did.

that's why i will never "accept' Viral marketing. . . . but i realize it will not 'go away' . . . it will go more underground as nVidia moves it's deceptive programme "in house".

Well thanks,

Again I don't have a problem with this marketing. My problem with Rollo, he denied being part of this, and as a sucker I listened to him and felt that he was unfairly being made into some kind of fugitive. Now I feel like a liar because I believed, and in a way feel backstabbed. Rollo being involved in this wouldn't have affect my views on what he has to say, I saw a little bias, but no lies, but that changed when he denied involvement he at that point lied and that changed everything.

i see you point and understand why you feel backstabbed . . .

however, to expand on my point . . . iF nVidia did not use this type of marketing, we wouldn't be almost universal in our condemnation of Rollo . . .this type of guerilla marketing encourages lying and FUD-spinning

Rollo is "human" . . . and AEG found and exploited his weakness. . . .
. . . and then threw him away. Cold. Unethical. Wrong.

See this is where we differ again, we don't know if AEG is promoting FUD spinning or is just giving hardware away to users it feel can make the best judgements about them.

here is where I stand.

Viral marketing is legal and OK.

Guerrilla Marketing is not OK and is Legal to some degree but only with the Hosters consent.

So far we still stand at Viral marketing with no connection to guerrilla marketing.

Viral marketing = Guerilla Marketing . .. . they are the "same" . . . and legislators are looking into making it illegal.

AEG's giving free HW away under NDA is the equivalent of a "bribe" and clearly exploits human weaknesses . . go to their web site and read their mission statement.


i gotta go to WORK!

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

no not like that

in a store you are expecting a salesman .. . not expecting a regular forum member giving "advice" to be a nVidia mole.

The Problem is people naturally have biases wether because of precieved facts or based on prior usage. For example myself, I will admit personally I have a slight Nvidia bias that I try not ifluence my conversations with other but has a big affect on my own personal purchases. Most of my bias comes from drivers, but also possible companies ot purchase from. I used to say if going ATI only get ATI made cards, but now with 1 yr warranties I can't even say that with a strait face.

Anyways off subject People have will have some kind of bias no matter what, so how can one except any answer devoid of one completely. The best Idea is always research your purchase and listen to the masses not just one single company. Banning some one with a bias would get all people banned.

i gotta head for work . . . this is like watching a train wreck . . . it's hard to look away . . .

Yes, we ALL have biases . . . i don't hide my preference for ATi over nVidia . . . both for their products and company ethics . . . what's in you rig is evidence of what you prefer - at the moment. That does not mean i don't respect nVidia's product or hesitate to recommend one of their cards when asked for advice.

However, to have hidden "agents" actively working - paid to post with 'bribes' - is despicable [imo] and one reason [for me] to like nVidia's practices even less.

what Video NEEDS is MODERATION . . . actively timing-out members that flame or personally attack others.

i really "feel" for the Mod with that future job.
:Q

See again you back to this bribes thing, we don't know if this is actually the case. Infact I am pretty sure that they get a better Viral outbreak with gifts as apossed to bribes. Bribed people always have this sense of forced words or worse go completely of the depend and act like its a holy crusade. I don't sense any of that from anybody really cept maybe Morph and Turtalia.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Ackmed, although I am really dissappointed with all thats going on here, can you actually sit there and deny that other companies, including ATI, do not participate in the same practice of viral marketing? Doesn't have to be AEG you know. It could be completely in house, which is why nobody hears of it. So, I don't see how you might think that they don't do it.

nonsense . . . ATi is not on the hot seat . . . otoh, your company is.

it's clear you have an agenda . . . you support nVidia no matter what. ;')

and now you are trying to excuse Viral Marketing by saying "probably" ATi does it.

So this is how you handle a perfectly reasonable statement? You call "agenda"?
What is wrong with you? Put down the torch and pitchfork man.


Quote from Morph: The fact that Keys still has "Rollo for MOD!" in his sig should also tell you something about the way he thinks."

Your a twisted lad for sure. This is how you guys handle a perfectly valid and utterly reasonable statement someone makes. If both Apoppin and Morph actually think ATI as well as other companies don't employ similar marketing tactics, you both are very naive.
I do fully understand however, that your statements are probably just for spite and therefore should not be taken seriously. I know both of you are smarter than that.

you claim . . . over-and-over - that 'i' have an agenda . .. you use the same 'tactics' as Rollo and still defend him . . . you spin anti-ATi FUD constantly and call it "reasonable".

What am i supposed to think?

ATi is not on the 'hot seat' . . . nVidia is [period] . . . you are naive to believe otherwise.

But you have an admitted agenda so I feel advocating in saying so. You said you believed the vid forums here at AT needed more vocal ATI supporters to counter the Nvidia FUD that goes on. And you took it upon yourself to do so.

And what FUD do I spread? If you are referring to the noise arguments we had, that was a difference in our opinions. As I said in that thread, or one of them, all I want is truth to be told, honesty, no downplaying issues or blowing them out of proportions. I have no agenda other than to see that this does not go uncontested when it happens.

You're seemingly inventing things that I did not say as well. I never said ATI was in the hot seat and DID state Nvidia was in the spotlight. THIS however does not automatically mean that ATI does not subscribe to the same type of marketing. All it means is, that it has not made it to public, YET.

So calm the hell down. I have no agenda other than what I stated. Do not twist my words or quote them out of context please.

[/quote]i DO have an "admitted agenda" . . . to bring 'balance' to the crazy place knows as Video and to tone down the FUD and personal attacks and hopefully to bring real moderation there. . . not what you claim and you ARE twisting what i say [like Rolllo]

leave ATi out of Viral Marketing unless you can find proof of it. . . instead of saying "YET"

as to the "noise level", i realize that you just "don't know" . . . not that that will stop you from posting as though you do.

and i'm OFF to work . . . i doubt i will be even able to find your reply this evening.

Peace and aloha

apoppin out

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Gamer X
After Rollo has been proved to be an AEG agent,I wonder why he is not banned yet.
Members like him just demolish what any tech forum is all about.How can I ask
for an advice on a forum when I know it is infested with undercover salesmen
marketing their affiliate products.

You mean like...when you go to a computer store and a salesman lets his personal bias sway you, too? *gasp* What a flawed argument for a ban.

no not like that

in a store you are expecting a salesman .. . not expecting a regular forum member giving "advice" to be a nVidia mole.

The Problem is people naturally have biases wether because of precieved facts or based on prior usage. For example myself, I will admit personally I have a slight Nvidia bias that I try not ifluence my conversations with other but has a big affect on my own personal purchases. Most of my bias comes from drivers, but also possible companies ot purchase from. I used to say if going ATI only get ATI made cards, but now with 1 yr warranties I can't even say that with a strait face.

Anyways off subject People have will have some kind of bias no matter what, so how can one except any answer devoid of one completely. The best Idea is always research your purchase and listen to the masses not just one single company. Banning some one with a bias would get all people banned.

i gotta head for work . . . this is like watching a train wreck . . . it's hard to look away . . .

Yes, we ALL have biases . . . i don't hide my preference for ATi over nVidia . . . both for their products and company ethics . . . what's in you rig is evidence of what you prefer - at the moment. That does not mean i don't respect nVidia's product or hesitate to recommend one of their cards when asked for advice.

However, to have hidden "agents" actively working - paid to post with 'bribes' - is despicable [imo] and one reason [for me] to like nVidia's practices even less.

what Video NEEDS is MODERATION . . . actively timing-out members that flame or personally attack others.

i really "feel" for the Mod with that future job.
:Q

See again you back to this bribes thing, we don't know if this is actually the case. Infact I am pretty sure that they get a better Viral outbreak with gifts as apossed to bribes. Bribed people always have this sense of forced words or worse go completely of the depend and act like its a holy crusade. I don't sense any of that from anybody really cept maybe Morph and Turtalia.

well i call it a bribe . . . you think when they have you sign the NDA there are 'no strings attacked" . . . do you think you will get future HW if you fail to meet their "expectaions"?

it's pretty clear what they do. READ the latest at the Consumerist.

and i outta here . . .i doubt i will even be able to find you reply this evening.

Peace and aloha

apoppin out
[really]

logging out

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

As much as these "members" claim they are not swayed, imagine getting free uber videocards, pre-release information, 3007FPWs and what not and try to remain "balanced". Heck most people would start pushing S3 Chrome S27 over 7800s and X1900s.

I wouldn't claim they are not swayed by the nice presents, but their is a big difference between being happy about new free hardware and liking said company even more, then accepting hardware as a payment for spreading propaganda and FUD. FUD spreading has never been a part of Viral Marketting.

Spreading FUD depends on the person; some do, some dont. (Rollo vs ChrisRay)

But both are implicitly obligated to defend, promote Nvidia products when they are given big items as gifts.