Nvidia viral marketing with AEG exposed !!! *UPDATED* *Poll Added*

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Q]

What a crock, I'm not a kindred spirit with your viral marketing... Glad I didn't support you on that. I wonder how all those people that did feel now?

Well, I, for one, feel like an utter jackass. I made an observation in that thread that NV fans all have the latest gen hardware, and all the ATI fans still have 9800Pros and X800s at best, so the new ATI generation must not be very compelling. After all, voting with your own money is the best kind of endorsement there is.

I wouldn't have come to that wrong conclusion if I had known the NV guys get their new shinies for free.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel

As much as these "members" claim they are not swayed, imagine getting free uber videocards, pre-release information, 3007FPWs and what not and try to remain "balanced". Heck most people would start pushing S3 Chrome S27 over 7800s and X1900s.

I wouldn't claim they are not swayed by the nice presents, but their is a big difference between being happy about new free hardware and liking said company even more, then accepting hardware as a payment for spreading propaganda and FUD. FUD spreading has never been a part of Viral Marketting.

Spreading FUD depends on the person; some do, some dont. (Rollo vs ChrisRay)

But both are implicitly obligated to defend, promote Nvidia products when they are given big items as gifts.

Says who you, the comsumerists, Rollo himself. If you are unwilling believe that ATI does viral marketing as well without proof then why do you beleive without proof that they are paid to promote Nvidia products.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Says who you, the comsumerists, Rollo himself. If you are unwilling believe that ATI does viral marketing as well without proof then why do you beleive without proof that they are paid to promote Nvidia products.

I'm not saying ATI is innocent here, so dont get the wrong idea. Right now Nvidia has been caught of this secretive practice and some of these members exposed. These members have admitted recieving free hardware (proof enough?).

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Q]

What a crock, I'm not a kindred spirit with your viral marketing... Glad I didn't support you on that. I wonder how all those people that did feel now?

Well, I, for one, feel like an utter jackass. I made an observation in that thread that NV fans all have the latest gen hardware, and all the ATI fans still have 9800Pros and X800s at best, so the new ATI generation must not be very compelling. After all, voting with your own money is the best kind of endorsement there is.

I wouldn't have come to that wrong conclusion if I had known the NV guys get their new shinies for free.

No I wouldn't say that, just at the time the 7800GTX had been at the top of the heap for so long and had decreased in price so much, that anyone but die hard ATI people who wanted an upgrade would wait for the X1800. I think only the X1800XL was out at the time and performed worse then the 7800GT.

 

[gsellis]

Keys, Apoppin, maybe this would be better taken to PM. I would actually prefer that you both got on the phone and calmly talked it out. It is easy to fling like this on the internet, but not face to face (so to speak.)

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Says who you, the comsumerists, Rollo himself. If you are unwilling believe that ATI does viral marketing as well without proof then why do you beleive without proof that they are paid to promote Nvidia products.

I'm not saying ATI is innocent here, so dont get the wrong idea. Right now Nvidia has been caught of this secretive practice and some of these members exposed. These members have admitted recieving free hardware (proof enough?).

But all have said they recieved it for testing and to talk about their experience with it. As corvette owners around the world can tell you just because of a car can go 170 doesn't mean that when they are driving it they are speeding. Or in this case a gift alone does not mean a bribe.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Q]

What a crock, I'm not a kindred spirit with your viral marketing... Glad I didn't support you on that. I wonder how all those people that did feel now?

Well, I, for one, feel like an utter jackass. I made an observation in that thread that NV fans all have the latest gen hardware, and all the ATI fans still have 9800Pros and X800s at best, so the new ATI generation must not be very compelling. After all, voting with your own money is the best kind of endorsement there is.

I wouldn't have come to that wrong conclusion if I had known the NV guys get their new shinies for free.

You only have a sample of one, so don't sweat it. The ATI card has lagged a bit until the X1900, and that will probably be dethorned or tied with the next nVidia card. Each has their strengths and either you play to that or not. I have an ATI card because I needed AGP and a card that is recommended by a video editor (Avid Liquid). An nVidia card can have issues, so ATI (and I was also concerned about the top AGP card at the time, the 6800 series, having a broken PVP). As for most of the other bragging, it is not how big your e-penis is...

 

[golem]

well i call it a bribe . . . you think when they have you sign the NDA there are 'no strings attacked" . . . do you think you will get future HW if you fail to meet their "expectaions"?

it's pretty clear what they do. READ the latest at the Consumerist.

and i outta here . . .i doubt i will even be able to find you reply this evening.

Peace and aloha

apoppin out
[really]

logging out

When Keys makes an assumption that ATI also does viral marketing, you don't believe it until it's proven. But you make assumptions all over the place about what Nvidia and AEG are actually doing with no solid backup and using them in statements of fact.

In fact most of what you're saying is a mix of fact and assumption based on what YOU think is happening, and how you believe other people or companies act. Some of these assumptions will probably turn out to be true, some wrong. But really, isn't the what FUD is? Spinning a story to further your ends/agenda based on both fact and insinuation?

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
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See again you back to this bribes thing, we don't know if this is actually the case. Infact I am pretty sure that they get a better Viral outbreak with gifts as apossed to bribes. Bribed people always have this sense of forced words or worse go completely of the depend and act like its a holy crusade. I don't sense any of that from anybody really cept maybe Morph and Turtalia.

Think back to Rollo lying about being in AEG's program when asked point blank. Why would he do so if he didn't feel that admiting to being involved with AEG would make him less effective as a salesman, and eventually result in his not getting any more video card food stamps?

If these were no-strings attached gifts, would would someone like Pete turn these guys down? Pete?

Look at AEG's mission statement. These were bribes, plain and simple.

 

[Ackmed]

From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Says who you, the comsumerists, Rollo himself. If you are unwilling believe that ATI does viral marketing as well without proof then why do you beleive without proof that they are paid to promote Nvidia products.

I'm not saying ATI is innocent here, so dont get the wrong idea. Right now Nvidia has been caught of this secretive practice and some of these members exposed. These members have admitted recieving free hardware (proof enough?).

But all have said they recieved it for testing and to talk about their experience with it. As corvette owners around the world can tell you just because of a car can go 170 doesn't mean that when they are driving it they are speeding. Or in this case a gift alone does not mean a bribe.

Your analogy isnt correct.

Boxster owners (Boxster was given to them free of cost by Porsche) would invariably push the car ahead of others.

Originally posted by: Ackmed
From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Also remember AEG fired an email to all members clearly defining how to deal with this controversy, damage control?

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

yeah like, A Nice Slender white female with D breast looking for man always means she is a btch over wieght with A cups.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Ah your bias shines eternal.

That's listed under "Crisis Management" in other worlds controlling not spreading :roll:

It's funny how only the fanboys on this forum are having such a field day while other forums realize what a small deal this really is.

BTW here is a link to thier site. A google search for AEG was not very helpful.

It's Arbuthnot Entertainment Group

List of clients

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Says who you, the comsumerists, Rollo himself. If you are unwilling believe that ATI does viral marketing as well without proof then why do you beleive without proof that they are paid to promote Nvidia products.

I'm not saying ATI is innocent here, so dont get the wrong idea. Right now Nvidia has been caught of this secretive practice and some of these members exposed. These members have admitted recieving free hardware (proof enough?).

But all have said they recieved it for testing and to talk about their experience with it. As corvette owners around the world can tell you just because of a car can go 170 doesn't mean that when they are driving it they are speeding. Or in this case a gift alone does not mean a bribe.

Your analogy isnt correct.

Boxster owners (Boxster was given to them free of cost by Porsche) would invariably push the car ahead of others.

Originally posted by: Ackmed
From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Also remember AEG fired an email to all members clearly defining how to deal with this controversy, damage control?

Good point about the boxter, but that wouldn't mena that Poche would tell every person they gifted them to speed and run away from the cops. What the person does from that point on is up to them and inveriably several would do exactly that. In this great Nation of USA we have this policy of innoceant (horrible spelling) untill proven guilty policy. Rollo is an example of someone who through his own morals out the window when he got his gifts, but that doesn't mean everyone who gets these gifts has or will do the same.

As for the email, like the NDA until said email is placed on the net for me to read I not only am willing to doubt its existance but also the contents of said email.

 

[Acanthus]

none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Good point about the boxter, but that wouldn't mena that Poche would tell every person they gifted them to speed and run away from the cops. What the person does from that point on is up to them and inveriably several would do exactly that. In this great Nation of USA we have this policy of innoceant (horrible spelling) untill proven guilty policy. Rollo is an example of someone who through his own morals out the window when he got his gifts, but that doesn't mean everyone who gets these gifts has or will do the same.

I know what you are trying to say but it doesnt happen that way. Look at the amount of people willing to sign up for this program just so that they can get $500+ gifts every now and then. You are willing to bet that they'll remain objective after that? I dont think so. Greed as we know is a part of human psychology and has its repurcussions on a person's thinking and behaviour.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
As for the email, like the NDA until said email is placed on the net for me to read I not only am willing to doubt its existance but also the contents of said email.

Part of the email (modified) was posted by Chalnoth.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Part of the email (modified) was posted by Chalnoth.

link?

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Part of the email (modified) was posted by Chalnoth.

link?

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=692404&postcount=708

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

I actually agree with Acanthus.. its all pointless..
as far as i know, this is a common marketing practice among all companies, especially competing ones. The only difference is that NV is unfortunately enough to be caught...

if either company was to offer me free hardware I'd take it.. Though my opinion on things is still mine.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Yes, we ALL have biases . . . i don't hide my preference for ATi over nVidia . . . both for their products and company ethics . . . what's in you rig is evidence of what you prefer - at the moment. That does not mean i don't respect nVidia's product or hesitate to recommend one of their cards when asked for advice.

However, to have hidden "agents" actively working - paid to post with 'bribes' - is despicable [imo] and one reason [for me] to like nVidia's practices even less.

So you support ATI because they are a more ethical company than nvidia, well, I wouldn't dispute that they may indeed be by way of comparison. However, given the many law suits, governmental unit investigations in various countries, and long known unfair business practices used by Intel, I am curious why you do not expend the same energy you do here, on condeming Intel for their actions? Or why you haven't rid yourself of that P4 system in favor of an AMD one. After all, in comparison to Intel, AMD is a saintly company.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
From AEG's website, I think this fits a few here to the T.

Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Ah your bias shines eternal.

That's listed under "Crisis Management" in other worlds controlling not spreading :roll:

It's funny how only the fanboys on this forum are having such a field day while other forums realize what a small deal this really is.

BTW here is a link to thier site. A google search for AEG was not very helpful.

It's Arbuthnot Entertainment Group

List of clients

So how about the rest of it then?



http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml

COMMUNITY RELATIONS
- Fan site development and monitoring
- FSK (Fan Site Kit)
- Community management
- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide
- Optimization and re-purposing of existing content, creative and assets


http://www.aeginfo.com/about.shtml

We work closely with our clients to create and execute an integrated PR plan to achieve broad coverage in print, online and broadcast media, while utilizing our close ties to online communities to support and amplify the marketing and PR impact.

Contact us today to find out how our tactics can help heat up buzz around your product, helping your company succeed and exceed its sales targets.

Sure sounds like an advertising/marketing/PR company to me.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

My point is, when you stupid little fanbois argue over specific products or drivers, at least constructive relevant info and debate is going on, now youre just all bitching at each other because you dont like the people in the other camp.

There is NOTHING video related in this entire thread, it is a waste of bandwidth at anandtech.

This kind of marketing has gone on for YEARS if not DECADES... it is not a new concept. I know product testers for dell and sony, do we have to burn them at the stake too?

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

I actually agree with Acanthus.. its all pointless..
as far as i know, this is a common marketing practice among all companies, especially competing ones. The only difference is that NV is unfortunately enough to be caught...

if either company was to offer me free hardware I'd take it..

It is NV's bad luck that they got caugh, but I think there is a lot of value in expressing one's opinion on this as a consumer. Marketing departments are not in the business of alienating thier customers, and you can bet the both AEG and people at NV have read this thread. Hopefully, by voicing our distaste for this type of marketing tactic it will make these companies think twice before they decide to do it again or continue with this behaviour. I also think there is value in letting the forum members involved know what we think of them and their deceitful activities.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus
none of this proved much of anything... glad you guys burned through 12 pages of bandwidth on such a worthless issue.

Well gee Acanthus, since you have weighed in with your omniscient opinion and deemed the dealings of AEG in this and other forums as a worthless issue, we might as well delete the thread now! Acanthus has spoken! /sarcasm

My point is, when you stupid little fanbois argue over specific products or drivers, at least constructive relevant info and debate is going on, now youre just all bitching at each other because you dont like the people in the other camp.

There is NOTHING video related in this entire thread, it is a waste of bandwidth at anandtech.

This kind of marketing has gone on for YEARS if not DECADES... it is not a new concept. I know product testers for dell and sony, do we have to burn them at the stake too?

Because it has gone on for years, it's ok to excuse it? Wtf kind of logic is that?