Nvidia: Not Enough Money in a PS4 GPU for us to bother

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cplusplus

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I don't doubt that for a time, both console manufacturers would have looked at ARM chips instead of x86 to be used in their consoles. They'd be even cheaper, and use even less power, than what they're going with. So they probably did talk to nVidia. But once they realized that either ARM just wasn't going to be powerful enough, or the developers would rather code in an x86 environment, then the talks with nVidia ended. Basically, if nVidia could have put Tegra in this, you can be damned sure they would have chased this low margin market. They couldn't, hence the sour grapes level commenting of how they didn't want the contract anyway.

Also, people keep bringing up cost being a limiting factor, but almost no one is talking about power being an even more limiting factor than cost. The reason they're going with a 7850 (or, more to the point, a slightly underclocked m7970) isn't necessarily because anything else would be too expensive, it's because anything else would use too much power, seeing as the console as a whole has to come in at about 200w or less. The biggest reason they're not using a high-end part with these consoles is that the power requirement for high end parts has gone way up since the 360 and PS3 came out in 2005-2006.
 

Lonbjerg

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An entire family of products that they are sinking vast quantities of resources into and focusing increasingly large parts of their company on...

Vast quantities?
So NVIDIA is bleeding money?

Just ignore the facts okay:
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Look to me like their focus in split like this:
GPU (Consumer Space)
Quadra/Tesla (Professional)
And the last comes mobile space.
 

railven

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Original Xbox
PS3
Tegra APX 2500
Tegra APX 2600
Tegra 600
Tegra 650
Tegra 2
Tegra 3
Tegra 4

Looks like history to me.

Nice fallacy! One product family is "history." LOL, keep trying.

Haha, dude I can totally see why he talks like - I'm having a blast!
 

Tweak155

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Nice fallacy! One product family is "history." LOL, keep trying.

Haha, dude I can totally see why he talks like - I'm having a blast!

What? The fact that NVidia has done consoles in the past is the only "history" needed.

Regardless the banter is a waste of time. We'll never know the true reason behind NVidia's statement. For all we know it could be the exact reason.
 

VulgarDisplay

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What? The fact that NVidia has done consoles in the past is the only "history" needed.

Regardless the banter is a waste of time. We'll never know the true reason behind NVidia's statement. For all we know it could be the exact reason.

I think he was being sarcastic and predicting Lonbjerg's incoming reply.
 

railven

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What? The fact that NVidia has done consoles in the past is the only "history" needed.

Regardless the banter is a waste of time. We'll never know the true reason behind NVidia's statement. For all we know it could be the exact reason.

I frankly don't even know why we care about the statement. Company A says something bad about Company B - news at 11.
 

Lonbjerg

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Original Xbox
PS3
Tegra APX 2500
Tegra APX 2600
Tegra 600
Tegra 650
Tegra 2
Tegra 3
Tegra 4

Looks like history to me.

So Microsoft was being wrong about the Price being TOO high on the first Xbox for the GPU part? ^^

I swear this forum has the posters with the most selective "memory" I have ever seen.

And good job trying to make the Tegra line seem larger than a single product line.
 
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Lonbjerg

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What? The fact that NVidia has done consoles in the past is the only "history" needed.

Regardless the banter is a waste of time. We'll never know the true reason behind NVidia's statement. For all we know it could be the exact reason.

NVIDIA didn't lower their price for MS.
They didn't go low Price to sony with the RSX.

One might think they have tried the console market...and didn't like it.

And I love how the Tegra line (single poduct line) is being dipslayed as many products...LOL
 

96Firebird

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Hahah, I like it. Let the impressions begin ;)

No, let's not start that nonsense again. It seems like he just recently got over his "Go premiums" "joke"...


Here, let me educate you on how to link to a YouTube video that starts where you want it to!

Simply add &t=xxmyys after the link, where xx is the time in minutes, and yy is the time in seconds. Such as:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM&t=04m18s

Much more dramatic link, if I do say so myself. :cool:
 
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sontin

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Yeah, even nVidia will surpass the cpu performance with Project Shield up to 4 threads.

You know: Thx to AMD you get Smartphone CPU performance in your next gen console.
 

BladeVenom

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Regardless the banter is a waste of time. We'll never know the true reason behind NVidia's statement. For all we know it could be the exact reason.

But once all the new consoles go into production, we'll see how much money AMD is making from them.

I think Nvidia is correct in that there isn't a lot of profit in making console parts.
 

sontin

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AMD's problem is not the small die. It's the power consumption. TITAN is 25% faster than the 7970GHz and uses less power.

There is no grow potential for AMD on 28nm.
 

VulgarDisplay

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Yeah, even nVidia will surpass the cpu performance with Project Shield up to 4 threads.

You know: Thx to AMD you get Smartphone CPU performance in your next gen console.

You realize that Bobcat is faster than Atom, and Jaguar is faster than Bobcat? There also aren't many octa core phones running around out there.
 

Olikan

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TITAN is 25% faster than the 7970GHz and uses less power.

There is no grow potential for AMD on 28nm.

LOL, and there was around 1 year cadence with the two cards...

even the 7870 showed great improvements in perf/watt over the 7970, in mere 3 month cadence

simply put... 7970 needs a refresh