Nvidia Kepler Yields Lower Than Expected –CEO. Fermi 2.0?

[3DVagabond]

i could be guessing here 3d(doubt it though),but i dont think you are grsping at what he is trying to say.

Correct me then if I'm missing something. People are saying that nVidia is late and because of that they aren't competitive. He's saying that they are because the 7950 isn't much faster than the 580 despite it being a 14mos. old card. I'm saying it depends on the conditions whether or not the 580 competes. I'm also saying that the comparison of last gens top card with the current gens 2nd tier card could be made between the 570 and 480 and that the 480 holds up even better in that comparison and its a 23mos old card. The reason I'm making that comparison is to show how ridiculous it is. Except in specific situations where nVidia's feature set is more desirable, it would be dumb to buy a 580 over a 7950.

 

[omeds]

Its not ridiculous at all, the 580 still competes with 7950 while having more IQ, features and support, performance is practically on par give or take until you push high resolutions. Thus, nvidia are still competitive in the high end, with kepler due to be released shortly.

 

[AnandThenMan]

...a bunch of benchmarks...

So then Nvidia doesn't need to release anything new at all they are competing just fine. Right?

 

[AnandThenMan]

...with kepler due to be released shortly.

Define "shortly" for all of us.

 

[3DVagabond]

580 competes with 7950, theres not much debate about that, sorry, and both oc well.. not sure why you linked oc'd 7950 vs stock 580 either. 7950 does pull away at higher resolutions though, and so it should, its over 14 months newer and on a new process.

Secondly, performance is not the only metric to value a video card by, which is why 580 is percieved as a lot better than 480, and why 580 holds up against 7950. 580 has more features and IQ enhancements than 7950, along with better 3D support, these things all contribute to the value of a video card.

Look a bit closer. Look at the charts where they are both manually O/C'd.

 

[tviceman]

Define "shortly" for all of us.

Before all the fanyboy arguing ends.

 

[Vesku]

Problem for NVIDIA is that it makes no sense to buy a 580 over 28nm 7950 or 7970. Even if you do happen to love NVIDIA specific tech (Physx, their 3D system) you are better off holding out for 28nm NVIDIA cards, assuming they arrive in the next 3 months or so.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22384/6

 

[Keysplayr]

Correct me then if I'm missing something. People are saying that nVidia is late and because of that they aren't competitive. He's saying that they are because the 7950 isn't much faster than the 580 despite it being a 14mos. old card. I'm saying it depends on the conditions whether or not the 580 competes. I'm also saying that the comparison of last gens top card with the current gens 2nd tier card could be made between the 570 and 480 and that the 480 holds up even better in that comparison and its a 23mos old card. The reason I'm making that comparison is to show how ridiculous it is. Except in specific situations where nVidia's feature set is more desirable, it would be dumb to buy a 580 over a 7950.

Except in the original comparison, it was an AMD card against an Nvidia card.
No idea why you introduced 570 vs 480 other than.... Well, I have no idea.

 

[omeds]

Define "shortly" for all of us.

Good question, I guess with in the next 6 weeks.

 

[Zanovar]

[I didn't have anything nice to say, so ViRGE censored me and sent me on a vacation]

 

[omeds]

Look a bit closer. Look at the charts where they are both manually O/C'd.

I have.

 

[mak360]

damn, that was funny

 

[Silverforce11]

Its not ridiculous at all, the 580 still competes with 7950 while having more IQ, features and support, performance is practically on par give or take until you push high resolutions. Thus, nvidia are still competitive in the high end, with kepler due to be released shortly.

IQ, features and support?! Really... support?? LOL. By IQ and features, Physx?? You get some mist in a few games..

Performance is on par at stock.. but the 7950 OC vs 580 OC, massive difference. Who buys these expensive GPUs without overclocking?

Not even factoring in power use.

 

[notty22]

Eventually the only fair comparison will be a o/c Tahiti against a stock GK104, but that's ok, it will be interesting

 

[tviceman]

IQ, features and support?! Really... support?? LOL. By IQ and features, Physx?? You get some mist in a few games..

Performance is on par at stock.. but the 7950 OC vs 580 OC, massive difference. Who buys these expensive GPUs without overclocking?

Not even factoring in power use.

Have you seen the new silverstone mini itx case? It's very similar to the one you have, except longer to fit >12" graphics cards, has a larger intake fan, and also a 600w psu.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163187

 

[omeds]

IQ, features and support?! Really... support?? LOL. By IQ and features, Physx?? You get some mist in a few games..

Performance is on par at stock.. but the 7950 OC vs 580 OC, massive difference. Who buys these expensive GPUs without overclocking?

Not even factoring in power use.

You can produce better IQ on Nvidia hardware at the moment whether it be from mixed AA modes, AO, filtering settings (although 7 series does have very nice filtering, but you cannot clamp lod bias etc), plus as you mentioned PhysX and 3D support. You also have options to adjust settings for better gameplay like render ahead limit, frame rate caps and vsync actually works (and can be disabled without having to disable driver signing). Then you have SLI and driver support which are arguably better..

There is no "massive difference" with the cards oc'd, look for yourself. Most consumers, like 99%, dont oc either.

 

[Arzachel]

The only sane reason to get a GTX580 now is if your work demands using apps that only play well with CUDA.

 

[AnandThenMan]

A Kepler yields thread has turned into how great IQ is on a Fermi card, and Nvidia is still so competitive. Interesting.

 

[omeds]

The only sane reason to get a GTX580 now is if your work demands using apps that only play well with CUDA.

I think its a given that 580 prices need to drop, but there are many reasons why one may choose to have 580's over 7950's, and vise versa. Its not as cut and dry as some of you make it out to be. Each have strengths, and to get back where this started from, 580 still competes with 7950.

 

[Silverforce11]

There is no "massive difference" with the cards oc'd, look for yourself. Most consumers, like 99%, dont oc either.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...oc-review-power-temps-noise-overclocking.html

In the same review, look for yourself.

That's a pretty LOW OC on the 7950 as well.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

You can produce better IQ on Nvidia hardware at the moment whether it be from mixed AA modes, AO, filtering settings (although 7 series does have very nice filtering, but you cannot clamp lod bias etc), plus as you mentioned PhysX and 3D support. You also have options to adjust settings for better gameplay like render ahead limit, frame rate caps and vsync actually works (and can be disabled without having to disable driver signing). Then you have SLI and driver support which are arguably better..

There is no "massive difference" with the cards oc'd, look for yourself. Most consumers, like 99%, dont oc either.

900MHz core on a tahiti is overclocked, but not OVERCLOCKED. Check the rest of the benchmarks also. There are some people overclocking hte 7950 to around 1200 on the core.

It's easy to pick random benchmarks to prove your point. It's also just as easy to ignore the other ones that disprove it.

 

[omeds]

A Kepler yields thread has turned into how great IQ is on a Fermi card, and Nvidia is still so competitive. Interesting.

Fair point, thread derailed with claims that Nvidia only compete in the low since 7 series release.

Back on topic, yeilds may be below expected but I read its only a few % shy of projected forecasts, how much truth is in that I'm not sure. Either way, at a guess I would say GK104 should be here in decent volumes in 5-8 weeks?

 

[AnandThenMan]

5-8 weeks seems plausible to me actually.

 

[Silverforce11]

Have you seen the new silverstone mini itx case? It's very similar to the one you have, except longer to fit >12" graphics cards, has a larger intake fan, and also a 600w psu.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163187

It's similar to the sugo 07, which is very good as well it can fit everything. But its quite long and bigger, i wanted the smallest and lightest case that can power a good setup.

Waiting for gk104 see if its good, or if prices drop, i'll grab either:

 

[omeds]

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...oc-review-power-temps-noise-overclocking.html

In the same review, look for yourself.

That's a pretty LOW OC on the 7950 as well.

Thats also a low oc on the 580 too.. nor did they find max oc for the 580 on the page you are referring to.

As Vulgar said, its easy to find benches that prove or disprove anything, and that goes both ways.. fact remains, 580 and 7950 are fairly competitive out of the box, and the 7950 has a little more headroom for oc while having less features etc. At the end of the day, they are competitive.

Back on topic.. AIB's have the chips I read, so yeh I would say certainly under 8 weeks they will be available, more like 5-6, but I'll go with 8 as a conservative estimate.